Video of Roubini Speech in Tel Aviv
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Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 9:02 am
First!!
Heli-Ben • November 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Did you have to keep awake all night to post this First” thingy?
Regan Lin • November 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am
This was a very powerful and didactic speech on the current global economic situation and issues. People should take away from the speech that the global economy will return to low growth and the risk of double dip recession is essentially tied to policy makers’ decision of whether to exit or not to exit current stimulus and liquidty.But I have believe with 2001 experience of leaving the rate too low for too long, Fed will be more mindful of the liquidity it has injected into the economy. Currently, most of the liquidty is still parked on banks’ balance sheet. Fed has recently came up with new method to contain this liquidity increase by giving interest on those reserve. Therefore, banks will be less reluctant to lend to the market and will keep the money on their balance sheet.In the future, emerging markets will no longer be emerging markets. These markets will determine the global growth rate in the next century. Even though they are small in terms of GDP compared to other advanced economies. Their growth rate is compensating for their small economy. So do not rule out the influence of these burgeoning markets.
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Unemployment might be peaking sooner than you think:http://raphaelkahan.blogspot.com/2009/11/unemployment-might-be-peaking-sooner.html
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 11:31 am
2nd!!!
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 11:31 am
3rd!!
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 11:32 am
4th!!
Softwarengineer • November 17th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Well Done Dr RoubiniYour insight is excellent because it is resilient.The most respectable economists in my book are ones like Dr. Roubini, they constantly change their path 180 degrees, when armed with new facts.
MM CA • November 17th, 2009 at 11:52 am
I dont think so….Continued NO JOBS is full speed ahead… in the past week i have read of thousands of job cuts that will be occuring jsut by the Frotune 1000 companies… And do not foget Samml business acounts for well over 70% of all Jobs in the US and small business is falling off a cliff…Get Ready For 7 Million More Lost JobsCharles Hugh SmithThe hype is that the “recession is over.” Has anyone touting this line actually walked around the real world? The next 7 million jobs to be lost are already in the pipeline.The divergence between the reality easily observed in the real world and the heavily touted hype that “the recession is over because GDP rose 3.5%” is growing. It’s obvious that another 7 million jobs which are currently hanging by threads will be slashed in the next year or two.According to the latest Employment Situation Summary (Bureau of Labor Statistics) dated November 7, 2009:Total nonfarm payroll employment declined by 190,000 in October. In the most recent 3 months, job losses have averaged 188,000 per month, compared with losses averaging 357,000 during the prior 3 months. In contrast, losses averaged 645,000 per month from November 2008 to April 2009. Since December 2007, payroll employment has fallen by 7.3 million.Civilian labor force: 154 millionEmployment: 138.3 millionUnemployment: 15.7 millionSept-Oct. change in employment: -589,000in unemployment: 558,000Not in labor force: 82,575,000It is staggering that 7 million jobs lost out of 145 million (the total prior to the financial meltdown) has created a 10.2% unemployment rate. The numbers here don’t add up–”only” 190,000 jobs were lost in October, but then employment fell by 589,000–huh?–but the point missing is how many jobs are hanging by a thread.I recently traveled to Los Angeles to be interviewed by my polymath friend and media maven Richard Metzger, creator of the Dangerous Minds website which has rocketed to 50,000 page views a day since he launched it a few months ago. (The topic was of course Survival+; look for the interview in about a week on Dangerous Minds.)(Richard also manages the L.A. Time’s hot blog Brand X which will have you humming Randy Neuman’s I Love L.A. in short order.)Has anyone noticed that airports are commercial dead-zones peopled by zombie clerks suffering from terminal boredom?One desperate young man had taken the unenviable job of hawking Chase credit cards via a weak pitch for a free ticket on Southwest Air (retail value $59). Since I like to arrive early for flights (perhaps scar-tissue remaining from being on TSA’s “watch list” for months on end, and almost missing flights as a result–”papers, please!”) I was able to observe hundreds of travelers stream by the young man’s kiosk while he gamely voiced the pitch. Not one person even paused, much less stopped.Translation: Up yours, Chase credit cards.How many of these dead-zone airport retail kiosks will go dark next year?The See’s Candy kiosk: bored clerk rearranging pricey boxes of candy, no customers. Ditto the sunglasses kiosk, and every retail outlet except Starbucks, which was moving plain coffee and the pizza/beer establishment which did a brisk business around 7-8 p.m. with the “heading home Sunday evening” crowd.(Richard and I had picked up some excellent Chicken Tikka Masala from a small indian market on Pico Blvd., so I wasn’t tempted.)I rented a brand-new 4-door Ford Focus–a nice car with plenty of zip–for $24 total, including all the ripoff airport and State of California taxes, with unlimited miles. $24 for all day, including all the new junk fees added to car rentals? Deal!The red Mustang sat in the rental lot, a rather sad icon, while the cheapest compacts were rented and driven off the lot. What does that say?Arriving early at the studio (natch), I had time to wander down one of the premiere open-air retail malls in the nation, the Promenade in Santa Monica (town of my birth, heh, though I never lived there). Other than one or two Asian tourists, no one carried a shopping bag of any size or type. This was noon on Sunday, a busy shopping day, and nobody was buying anything. Barney’s Beanery was doing a good business but most other dining establishments were crypts.Sauntering down blocks of America’s standard-issue mall outlets–J. Crew, Apple, Pottery Barn, etc. etc.–the stores were empty though the sidewalks were busy.Victoria’s Secret was promoting 7 panties for $21–how much profit can VS rake in selling 7 panties for $21?–and the store was empty. Even the Apple store was a morgue.Bored waiters were leaning on sidewalk cafe railings, and a few employees were sitting outside talking with their friends–tip-off–no drinks, no food, the table was bare.OK, here’s the money shot. Recall for a split second I am a writer (for better or worse) and so my “job” is to observe people closely (22 years free-lancing, man, am I dumb to keep doing this!).So a tres-chic young Caucasian woman with two adorable kids around 7 to 9 years of age pauses a few yards from me. The woman has the casually tony attire and slim figure of someone who either is a well-educated professional pulling down major dollars or someone whose spouse is pulling down major dollars in some yuppie gig (or both spouses are doing so).The yuppie Mom pulls her wallet out of her upscale little purse as the two kids gather round and I am thinking, “She’s going to give each kid a Jackson ($20) or at least a fiver just to blow on whatever strikes their fancy.”This is, after all, Santa Monica on a Sunday, and this is a yuppie Mom with the bucks to pay for high-end casual attire, hair coloring, personal trainer, gym membership, etc.After digging around a bit, she extracts two pennies which she gives to her kids to toss into the water feature/fountain nearby.I think this rather neatly summarizes the entire U.S. consumer and the future of the economy.Doesn’t anyone follow the threads of what is easily observable anywhere in America?Consider for a moment one of the few businesses licensed to print money–towing companies with city contracts. What are the odds that these towing outfits are towing cars which no one ever claims? Heck, with tickets, towing and storage fees, the cost of reclaiming your vehicle can run into the hundreds of dollars in a mere day or two.That is more than many vehicles are worth. So what’s the net result? the towing companies’ lots will soon be filling with junkers and their revenues will be falling as down-and-out citizens abandon their vehicles because they don’t have the money to get them un-impounded.Net-net, when the towing company’s revenues fall then somebody’s hours or job gets cut.About once a month I take my Mom out to dinner in San Francisco, “the most European city in America” and a favorite city for those with disposable income. The city contains approximately three restaurants per resident (slight exaggeration) with a Michelin one-star establishment (i.e. excellent, superb, etc.) about every block in the better neighborhoods.Yes, it is a splurge, but it’s my Mom and it’s our “quality time.” So we chat with the waiters and waitresses, and on opera nights and the like, business is so good it seems impossible the word “recession” is even being bandied about.But when it’s slow, it’s dead. It seems almost random, which nights are busy and which are slow, but the net result is far from random. A couple of places that we occasionally frequented a mere year ago are now dark.A friend of ours has been trying to sell an investment house in a highly desirable zip code in a San Francisco Bay Area suburb. Built perhaps a decade ago, the house would have fetched $800,000 in a heartbeat in 2006, and our friend rejected an offer of $550,000 a year ago as absurdly low. This is after he spent a lot of money having the home repainted in and out, new cabinet doors installed, new carpeting, etc.That was the only offer the property has received in over a year. Needless to say, maintaining the mortgage is killing him financially.How many hundreds of thousands of families are in the same situation?The Honolulu Symphony, which I enjoyed occasionally when I lived on Oahu, recently declared bankruptcy. How many other non-profit arts, theater and community groups are hanging by a thread? Hundreds, if not thousands.Put together the anecdotal evidence and the next 7 million jobs to be lost are already in the pipeline. I could go on and on about the small businesses whose owners are preparing to close “if things don’t pick up a big way soon” and all the other signs that a new wave of massive job losses is rising. But you know that already if you’ve walked around with your eyes open.
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Nope. Just got lucky for the third time this year
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
“Victoria’s Secret was promoting 7 panties for $21″>.< Wow what a bargain. Wanna BUY!! Adding sexy panties to my wardrobe. ^_^
FEDup • November 17th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
agree. Auto and financial industries, Home Depot, Lowes as well as nearly all small businesses have drastically reduced their workforce and inventory just to survive; but very few have the resources to weather this downturn. More job cuts will lead to less spending and cycle repeats until only Walmart and McDonalds are left.
PeteCA • November 17th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I’ll go back to what I said earlier … y ou’ll know that the recesison in the USA is truly over when you see a lot of people going out and purchasing new auto’s. But it will take several months of data on auto sales to prove that a bottom is in for that market.Right now … I’m dubious. Everyone in my neck of the woods is driving their current vehicle (new or old) and adding extra miles to it. In fact, I’m running into people who say they are low on cash – and they aren’t even keeping the routine maintence going properly.PeteCA
PeteCA • November 17th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Quote from David Goldman …”As I said on Larry Kudlow’s CNBC show Wednesday night … the big issue in the US economy is the massacre of small business. That’s why the household survey shows that 558,000 Americans “became unemployed” during October, while the establishment survey of payrolls shows a decline of only 190,000 jobs. The establishment data, which are collected from larger businesses, are more reliable; the household survey is based on telephone interviews with randomly-selected households. But the numbers are so large as to make clear that small businesses are shutting down.”Well said. Here’s the link to the entire article.Goldman on the Death Of Small Business In the USAPeteCA
economicminor • November 17th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
The risks that Dr. Roubini elaborates on are huge and the chance that the US policy dictators or for that matter, any policy maker will make the correct decisions at the correct time is extremely unlikely. It must be on the odds of tens of millions to one. The chance that the financial and economic decisions of the FED and the US Treasury who never saw any of this coming, or so they say, can even make a correct decision is as common as a rogue wave.IF they made the right decision along with Congress in their stimulus and bail outs so far, wouldn’t that make a subsequent string of decisions to steer the economy, not a certainty but as rare as the first success. What’s the chance? Probably less than three back to back grand slam home runs in a world series.And besides, wouldn’t it be an oxymoron for a central bank to make decisions that control a free market and fix its problems? Isn’t that a Command and Control Economy and didn’t we decide that those don’t work? I guess not as it seems that the world is willing to go along and try again. Only after every mistake and policy failure, the next attempt gets bigger and bigger.. A lot like continuing to double down at the blackjack table hoping for that one good card.
Anonymous • November 17th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
MM CALoved your post!! Even copied and pasted it in an email to others who heads are not buried in the sand. One question. You are a writer? Why so many typo’s and spelling errors then? I would think you would proof and correct of all people. Anyways keep your thoughts & observations coming. And no your not crazy it’s going to be real ugly over the next 2 to 3 years. Good Luck and God Bless
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/373697/Falling-U.S.-Dollar-It's-Lack-of-Demand-Not-Rising-Supply-Pharo's-Dow-Says?tickers=%5Egspc,%5Edji,dia,spy,uup,udn,tbt&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=this guy gets right. Dollar we dont need you, go away!! then what does that say about USA influence on the world economies?
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Brother, can you spare a dollar? I can’t feed my kids.It’s a matter of who goes hungry and who get’s excess. The big banks and corporate america leveraged cheap labor overseas to drive “organizational value” and profits for themselves (big bonuses). To the < 1% of Americans that benefited tremendously, congratulations. To the 99%+ of Americans who are in or on the verge of financial chaos, boo hoo. You should have been smart enough to do what the 1% did. Life is not fair. Their are many unfair business titans and politicians who did not get their spoils by playing nice. Let the masses eat soup and rice, if we should care they eat at all. …. You say you want a revolution, well….
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
as world rely less on USD, the world will rely less on USA consumer. Yup, rebalancing is happening in gradual pace. Global rebalancing and recovering is sure happening. is USA changing, THAT IS ANOTHER STORY wuaHAHAHA
Morbid's Ghost • November 17th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Washington’s SecretThe political class in Washington know that we only have a year or so of cheap oil left inthe ground. Which is why Greenspan, Bush, et. al. said is the raison d’être we arein Iraq and it is why we will remain in Iraq (until the oil runs out).From here on out, oil prices will continue to climb and prevent any meaningful economicrecovery; not because they do not want recovery, but because there simply is not enoughcheap energy to allow a world-wide economic recovery.So the key to true economic resiliency is not to look to a growth-of-energy-consumptionmodel, rather it’s enacting programs of energy conservation.
amacfly • November 17th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
A sobering bit of information.From my perspective I can certainly say in 30 years of doing business I have never known it this bad, my business is dead. For the first time in my life I’m really wondering what to do next. I am genuinely afraid, this is so serious, and so grim that I can now see a future with the madness that some of the ‘shrills’ have been predicting, food riots, civil unrest etc.I also can’t access the video, seems it doesn’t play on Mac/Safari?
amacfly • November 17th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
and with people who share your attitude in power I think we’ll get one.
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I suspect the Federal Government doesn’t get it. I envision marches in Washington and violence in the streets as the likley wake up call. So far, so quite. But, more job losses, more forclosures, more defaults, bankruptcies, and stories of personal tragedies will get us closer to the critical mass fuse. Two stories today in the local paper about fathers/husbands shooting their families and then commiting suicide. Tell me this ain’t a sign of much more to come. We are all crazy, at least in part. Sanity is relative, and our national baseline is moving in the wrong direction. Stay connected folks, reach out, it’s ok to cry and show anger. Isolationalism breeds dispair. Stay connected to friends, family, and church. Stay connected.
Winston Smith • November 17th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
“Stay connected”thanks for that and I wish amacfly the best in these hard times…It is very important I would say to keep our communication up with each other in these times. There is a lot of frustration and anger and depression out there and it really does help to talk and keep talking to others in our sphere. The top 1percent are draining their country of it’s wealth. I might add that hunger is way up in America. A report in the NY Times yesterday or the day before shows that more and more people do not have enough to eat, mostly kids. I urge myself first and foremost to go out and either give some food or some money or some time in the next few days to the local food banks.
Softwarengineer • November 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Exactly WinstonIts 1 in 7 household that go hungry in America today [50,000,000]….it was more like 1 in 4 going hungry during the Great Depression, but bear in mind, there was a dust bowl then too, so the historical comparison to then and now is legitimate.
economicminor • November 17th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I was even in a WalMart last week and it was dead. I asked the guy in the auto service dept and he told me that all the departments were having their hours reduced due to the slow economy. He was pissed as he had recently bought a new car on a loan under the cash for clunkers and was worried about making his payments.
PeterJB • November 17th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Speaking of governance, its principles, objectives and tools:”The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything. Except what is worth knowing. Journalism, conscious of this, and having tradesman-like habits, supplies their demands.” Oscar Wilde 1854-1900 Irish novelist.Ho hum
economicminor • November 17th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Sorry about your business. This is not the first time I have seen slow but I have been in business for almost 50 years. Also every area of the country has never been hit this hard at the same time since the Great D as far as I know. Having been thru 2 other major down turns, the late 1970′s and 1980′s were pretty tough and so was the early 1990′s. 2001 was a breeze for me but I bucked up and prepared for the millennium which ended up being a bust as far as I was concerned. So the recession of 01 was awfully mild IMHO. This one is different as it seems that so many major forces are aligned in negative aspects all at the same time. So many of our institutions are not functioning or producing the benefits we expect of them. And the debt collapse just keeps rolling on destroying families and jobs like an out of control steam roller. Anybody that is in the way gets flattened.Sorry to hear you are one of them.What is it you do?
MM CA • November 17th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Not my writing… it was from Charles Hugh Smith.
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
DeLong: Odds Increasing That We’re Headed For A Great DepressionJohn Carney|Nov. 17, 2009, 3:59 PM | 1,776 |25PrintTags: Economy, Regulation, Housing, Mortgages, DebtBrad DeLong has long argued against the fears that we could head into something like the Great Depression.But now the UC Berkeley economist has turned a bit bearish on the economy.From DeLong:For 2 1/4 years now I have been saying that there is no chance of a repeat of the Great Depression or anything like it — that we know what to do and how to do it and will do it if things turn south.I don’t think I can say that anymore. In my estimation the chances of another big downward shock to the U.S. economy — a shock that would carry us from the 1/3-of-a-Great-Depression we have now to 2/3 or more–are about 5%. And it now looks very much as if if such a shock hits the U.S. government will be unable to do a d—– thing about it.DeLong thinks that Democratic deficit hawks and Republican anti-stimulus politicians will effectively prevent the government from doing anything to ameliorate a deteriorating economic situation. What’s more, outrage against the bailouts coming from the left and the right will prevent the Obama administration from orchestrating anything like we saw last fall.“So if another big bad shock hits the U.S. economy, what could the Obama administration possibly do?” DeLong asks.
Anonymous • November 17th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I guess you would consider yourself amoral?Above caring about your fellow citizens?Interesting. I am surprised you don’t post as anonymous as being overtly self centered is not usually well liked by others. Not one of the popularity traits. Worse is to be proud of being one of the Oligarchs. Oligarchs usually hide from the sight of the masses who they tend to abuse. Not only because they dislike them but just because they can. Besides it is fearful for anyone to be in unknown or disenfranchised territory. After all, being an Oligarch is the same as being of the privileged who deserve all they have.My advice is to stay out of sight and make sure you travel in your bomb and bullet proofed car from your compound to your private jet. Stay in the prison of your own making because it probably isn’t safe out here. Someone who perceived, wrongly or rightly, that you are the cause of their family starving or being hungry may just take their anger and frustration out on you. I guarantee you that the people on the outside are not as stupid, uneducated or undeserving as you want to pretend they are.
The Alarmist • November 17th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
So I’m on this side of the Atlantic this week and people keep asking me if things in Europe are as bad as they are here.First, the answer is no. I have seen no shortage of shoppers in the electronics stores in Europe, but perhaps things will slow down as the world goes into the next trough.But things don’t look so desperate over here. Yes, things are slower. What exactly does that mean? I still see quite a few annoying self-important types yakking into their bluetooth headsets about various real estate deals, but nowadays I hear the letters F-H-A tossed around a lot more than a couple years ago, but the ranks of soon-to-be real-estate millionaires seems to be thinning. This isn’t such a bad thing.I see people who are horribly dressed climbing into a Porsche Cayenne … Either taste has completely gone off the cliff, or people are still living beyond their means. But the numbers of those that I see nowadays are much fewer, so is that such a bad thing?After walking into a cactus today and impaling my foot with a thorn that I couldn’t pull out myself, I had to participate in the deadly US health care system today, and this despite the fact that I have no ‘coverage’ per se in the US, so I had to pay cash at one of those walk-in urgent-care clinics at which most people in the US no doubt turn up their noses. 45 minutes and $265 later, spike-like needle was removed from my foot and tetanus shot administered and I was on my way. Would never have had such quick and thorough treatment in Europe … would have waited easily until the next day, but it would have only been $15 out of pocket back there. Of course that ignores the fact that my government mandated healthcare costs me and my employer roughly $8000 a year (split 50-50), but otherwise it is free. So competent and quick service for $264 and 45 minutes didn’t strike me as one of those things that is so bad here. But the doc was himself curious if things were as bad there as they seem to be in the US.Went to Walmart to shop for groceries at 0700 (after years, you can now do that in Europe). Old man in front of me was complaining that the price of his fishing floats had increased from $0.96 to $1.24 and could not believe it. He told me he was 75, but had never seen anything like it in his life. I joked that we were living in the 1970′s all over again, and that this was nothing new for either of us. He looked at me with a blank face.I think the average American has lost touch with what hard times are really like. This is not the energetic environment of 2004 to 2006, but this is not yet the 1930′s.But we are talking ourselves into thinking it is, and our leaders are taking the opportunity to push things in that direction in the name of helping us avoid those bleak days.How’s that hope and change working out for you?
economicminor • November 17th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
The US possesses some of the world’s largest reserves of both NG and coal. We also produce much of the world’s nuclear technology. There is NO reason that the US can not remain as a healthy viable economic force, except that those who have the power are either ill informed, bought off or just plain idiots.It just amazes me how intelligent well educated people can be so easily manipulated. I am speaking of our representative government.
Tom from Maine • November 17th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
okay, if Nouriel is correct, and the frgile situation leads to an asset crash as people herd out of negative bets on the dollar and positive bets on stocks, commodities, etc.: where is the safe and/or profitable place to be? is it: U.S. bond funds? wouldn’t there be a rush to safety of dollar, as in last crash, lowering yields even further, so that bond positions already there would increase in value? so wouldn’t a good basic strategy be to park funds in U.S. bond funds/bonds? If so, what type would be best? It would be nice to be in a place where some money would be made while waiting for the bubble to burst, since timing could be a year or more off…
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
. • November 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
it has been said that on mr. wilde’sdeath bed he himself commented “the wall paperin here is awful, one of us has to go.” then hedied. and the story goes that 100 years later thewall paper too was torn down, finally separated from it’sawful appearance. it is amazing how long, alleged,awful wallpaper can remain on a wall.today, however, it is awfully hard to find a pictureor image or description of that wallpaper, other thanthe adjective “awful”, but it is relatively easy tofind images and the writings of oscar. so, if thewallpaper doesn’t make some kind of miraculouscomeback, mr. wilde wins! he wins in the end, as if thereever was any real contest.that is the way i heard it spoken by a strangerat Pere Lachaise cemetery..http://archives.cnn.com/2000/STYLE/design/11/30/france.wilde/
gAnton • November 17th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
I have just spent and interesting and enjoyable thirty minuets or so watching Doctor Roubini’s very slick and very rational presentation. Maybe (or should I say “probably”?) I’m all wet, but I am concerned about some of the implicit assumptions upon which his conclusions are based.First a trivial example of what I think an assumption is. Doctor Rubini hypothesizes that there exists an exit point “sweet spot”. If the government stops its subsidization of the economy at the sweet spot time, everything will be honky dory. If the exit is made before the sweet spot time, we will have one set of severe economic problems; if it is made after, we will have a different set. What he lacks is what the mathematicians call en “existence proof”–it’s not only possible, but highly probable, that no such sweet point exists, and that the real world exit point will be an economic catastrophe.Now for a couple of what I think are less trivial problems. Doctor Rubini himself has written about an asset bubble. It is generally conceded by many competent economists there there is also a commercial property bubble and a stock market bubble, and there are probably other bubbles of which I am unaware. It is very likely that one or more of these bubbles will burst before or during the time frame for which Dr. Rubini is making his predictions, but he does not cover what the impact of these likely events would have on his predictions. (I guess that the assumption is that these events either won’t occur, or if they do, they will not result in another recession or depression.)I do occasionally visit web sites other than that of Dr. Rubini. At the peak oil site (http://peak oil.blogspot.com) you will find the following items:1. We have already entered the “peak oil zone”.2. The USA is pressuring the IEA to inflate it’s world production figures, as publication of the true figures would cause panic in the world economic markets. According to some experts, it seems that it is no longer possible to maintain a production level of even 90m to 95m barrels per day.(I guess the assumption make here is that the future will be like the past).
Morbid's Ghost • November 17th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
“The US possesses some of the world’s largest reserves of both NG and coal”Been reading too much MSM pabulum? Canada has larger NG fields and China haslarger coal fields. But you are most wrong about the word “reserves.”Oil, gas, and coal reserves are no more geological than Big Rock Candy Mountain(See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYGCpGzFWh0) True geological energy reservesare State secrets, publicly stated reserve figures are political posturing tomake the sheeple feel comfortable about their cheap-energy lifestyle.Read this and let’s see if you still feel that the US will remain as a healthyviable economic force.According to a senior International Energy Agency official, the energy watchdogagency fears the truth would trigger panic buyinghttp://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/whistleblower-says-energy-watchdog-has-downplayed-looming-oil-shortageA Presidential Energy Policy“energy and money are inextricably connected in very profound ways….” “The current economic implosion willand can only result in the greatest–and longest lasting–economic depression in human history–a new Dark Age,especially if fundamental sea changes in energy policy are not made immediately.”http://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Energy-Policy-Michael-Ruppert/dp/0578021560/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258509958&sr=1-1
. • November 17th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
g,you use the mathematical analogy and the term”sweet spot”. i did not see the entire clipbut i think you are referring to the “knife’sedge” imagery that the professor used. i thinkhis reference is more accurate as it brings tomind butchery. let’s face it, times are toughand the slicing and dicing and butchery thatensues relates to the idea of “systemic importance”.institutional leaders think in these terms.systemic function and survival. if the systemand its functioning are dysfunctional “they” willnot “see” it. they will find a way to “imagine”,project, speculate a semi rational way to proceedthat projects the system status quo into the future.the question becomes what is the basic functional unitthat needs to be coddled? and what can be thrown to the wolves after it has been thoroughly infused with thecruelty of the knife’s edge? a potential or ongoingdebate.but it seems like nonsense and subterfuge all imaginedto distract from the blatant thievery and raiding ofpublic treasure in the name of systemic, fraud, continuity / continuance..the past is the key to the present but it isextremely difficult to “know” the “past” whenwe are not entirely privy to the ongoing present.it takes a multitude of perspectives to have anymeaningful insight into the past or the present and all this complexity will determine the future but how to properly prioritize and integrate? so we are left with principles and their creative violations / improvements?broadly speaking, we are broke. also, a fewyears ago many people thought they were rich onlyto find that, a few elections and crisis’ later,their “wealth” needed to be transferred tobetter connected parties to maintain systemically moreimportant dysfunctional imbalances?.urbanization, securitization and globalization arethree knifes in the air and juggling is hard and theblades are shinny and distracting, not to mentionour juggler is exhausted..ps. i’m losing the bubble analogy now. is everythingin life just a bubble waiting to pop, if so then weshould be able to find some value in bubbles? perhapsit is in the definitions. if you tell someone you robof the contents of his wallet that all you did was pophis bubble does that make it o.k.?bubble people? i feel like i live inside a bubble,we have become…, waiting to pop..just kiddin’ ?
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
According to my scorecard it’s only twice!
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Cross dresser! LOL
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
That pretty much paints the picture! People continue to get suckered into these schemes, only to find that it comes around and bites them on the butt!Sigh, I guess that’s what people get for thinking that there’s such a thing as free money.
. • November 17th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
m,Immediately!
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Pete,Adding to this mix is government spending. My local municipality is proposing a 6% reduction in its 2010 budget, citing a big reduction in equipment replacement (they’re also deferring pension contributions for fire and police for one year, yeah, let’s see what happens Then! [they're up on their contributions, in which case this makes it possible, but long term...]). This translates into a big cut in new vehicle purchases.Oh, and the Hotel/Motel revenues are being forecast down 18% from 2008 levels!Death spiral…
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Well, like the “world” has any choice?FYI – This isn’t just a US phenomenon. The rest of the world ISN’T going to “recover.”
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
There is NO reason that the US can not remain as a healthy viable economic force, except that those who have the power are either ill informed, bought off or just plain idiots.Sigh, you should have refrained from calling others who don’t share your view idiots.When you say “remain,” what do you mean? Isn’t this a time interval? I agree that some level could be attained, but attained and maintained are two completely differing beasts; and, then there’s the matter that the System is a grow-or-die system.As Dr. Albert Bartlett clearly demonstrates in his famous presentation Arithmetic, Population and Energy, one cannot confuse sustain rates with growth rates. In order for the US to maintain it’s current level of energy consumption it would have to increase its consumption of its local energy resources: imports becoming less available (scarcity and cost [smashed USD]). This results in an increase in consumption of local resources, which, Dr. Albert Bartlett refers to in the presentation, is a strategy of “strength through exhaustion.”Clearly capitalism doesn’t like zero or negative growth, so this entire debate is meaningless in the context of such a system, as there is no way to maintain growth…
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
And, I’d add, HONEST communication! We’ve had plenty of communication, mostly dishonest (from TPTB)!
Guest • November 17th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
To add some more clarity… The reduction in vehicle replacement expenditures for 2010 is budgeted to be 60% less than in 2009! More bad news for Detroit!
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 12:17 am
But we are talking ourselves into thinking it isI still can’t believe that you think that this is all a “confidence” issue, it is NOT!People are collectively feeling what is coming up.Your view of things isn’t the view of the average person. As such, I’d say that you are talking yourself into believing that it’s better than it actually is…But… thanks for shopping over here and pumping money into this crashing economy!
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 12:17 am
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Pecos Banker • November 18th, 2009 at 12:39 am
My personal favorite recession bottom indicator is when people start eating the geese that land in public parks. You just feed them and then quickly grab their necks.
Pecos Banker • November 18th, 2009 at 1:01 am
France is doing great. The shopping malls are full and you could never guess from what you see on the streets that there is a recession. Of course they don’t have to worry about their military gobbling up everyone’s spare change. When will we seriously start to talk about reducing the size of the military in this country? What a bunch of idiots we are to ignore this issue.
Little Saver • November 18th, 2009 at 1:08 am
The real priorities of the Fed:Bernanke has tied the integrity of our monetary base to these assets (GSE mortgages). The policy of the Fed and Treasury amounts to little more than obligating the public to defend the bondholders of mismanaged financial companies, and to absorb losses that should have been borne by irresponsible lenders. From my perspective, this is nothing short of an unconstitutional abuse of power, as the actions of the Fed (not to mention some of Geithner’s actions at the Treasury) ultimately have the effect of diverting public funds to reimburse private losses, even though spending is the specifically enumerated power of the Congress alone.http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc091116.htmThe country serves the banks. The banks serve themselves.
Little Saver • November 18th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Or until, like in Iceland, even McDonalds junk food becomes too expensive. Back to the good old home kitchen with its delicious natural food! Back to the simplicity of life without derivatives!
Pecos Banker • November 18th, 2009 at 1:27 am
There’s a great post over on Zerohedge with a video of Steven Keene giving a lecture on the current debacle. One of the commenters also cited an excellent article by Keene, which shows that we are in a depression and why. Read “The Roving Cavaliers of Credit”. Keene has some great diagrams and clear explanations that show that the real problem is what he calls “credit money”, which is much more significant than fiat money (giving the lie to reactionary gold bug types who see fiat money as the great evil–their anger is off target). This article is a must read for anyone who really wants to get a handle on how the banking crisis got started and how Bernanke is barking up the wrong tree.http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/therovingcavaliersofcredit/One of the most interesting points he makes in the article is that banks loan money first and then search for reserves later. He also makes the important point that any economic theory should be able to account for past behavior and that neoclassical economics fails miserably in this respect. Kind of a variation on Popper’s falsifiability postulate for a valid scientific theory.When you come down to it Rubin and Phil Gramm would appear to be the main architect’s of this depression (with the blessing of Bill Clinton). I confess, I’ve always had a very negative gut reaction to both of them–something I could never rationally explain to myself. Premonition, perhaps?
Pecos Banker • November 18th, 2009 at 1:51 am
Great point you make about the “sweet spot” vs existence proofs in mathematics! A good example of an existence proof is the Banach-Tarsky paradox. If I take an orange (mathematically, a sphere), there is at least one way slice it up into a countably infinite number of pieces, however oddly shaped, so that I can reassemble the pieces to get two identical oranges of the same size as the first, both of which have no gaps or air-pockets. There is a rigourous proof of the existence of such a slicing, but it does not show you how to make the cuts–an existence proof that is not a constructive proof. Now since this bizarre result has been proven, it should be child’s play to get a proof for the existence of this economic sweet spot you mention, even if it can not in fact be pin-pointed or identified. In that case, its existence would be useless to us. Perhaps Roubini thinks it’s a strange attractor.
Pecos Banker • November 18th, 2009 at 1:56 am
Yours is not a mathematical argument. No harm done…
amacfly • November 18th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Photography in support of the entertainment, music & retail businesses. The old adage that this biz is ok in a recession just isn’t true here in LA.
ChrisL • November 18th, 2009 at 6:03 am
How do you know if the growth in initial claims for unemployment insurance has peaked ?There’s many occurences when it looked as if it had peaked (eg 1981, 2000, 2002) but then it reversed course a few months later and went to new highs…You’re correct to note a strong correlation between unemployement and initial claims, but I think it’s too early to call a peak on the growth in initial claims.
ChrisL • November 18th, 2009 at 6:07 am
I don’t care about these kind of indicators like auto sales that can be easily manipulated with government incentives.In my book, there’s only one indicator that counts : the recession will be over in the USA when unemployement will start decrerasing. Forget GDP growth, spending, etc…
FEDup • November 18th, 2009 at 6:08 am
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-futures-soar-to-record-as-dollar-drops-2009-11-18GOLD futures climbed to a record on Wednesday as the dollar fell against other major currencies…Didn’t most of the experts say gold would never hit 1200-1300?
ChrisL • November 18th, 2009 at 6:28 am
I would be wary about calling too early the growth story of the world in the 21st century by simply projecting the last few decades for the next hundred years…Most of the growth in the emerging markets in the last few decades came from the consumption and credit growth in the developped nations.In a world with shrinking resources and an overdevelopped and overleveraged West, it’s not clear at all that the picture is going to be that rosy for the emerging markets.
FEDup • November 18th, 2009 at 6:44 am
agree-it is a tragedy that only those in power can routinely commit immoral, unfair and sometimes illegal acts and get away with it.
FEDup • November 18th, 2009 at 6:48 am
yes-and when we crash, Europe will follow as GDP declines, unemployment rises and energy prices soar!
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 6:52 am
moron, you can keep your doom view to your pathetic life.
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 7:09 am
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget-deficit18-2009nov18,0,7647152.storyavoid California muni or Build America bond all togehter. In fact, avoid any muni by states run by irresponsible democrats that fail to balance budget!!! those democrats are ruining the country at federal/state/local government level.
. • November 18th, 2009 at 7:20 am
http://kunstler.com/blog/2009/11/dreams-die-hard.html.Dreams Die HardBy James Howard Kunstleron November 9, 2009 6:28 AM…..Reality unfolds emergently, and this ought to interest us. For instance, I have maintained for many years that we are approaching the twilight of the automobile age – and the implications of this for daily life in the USA are pretty large. For a long time, I had assumed that this change of circumstances would proceed from our problemswith the oil supply. But reality is sly. It has thrown two new plot twists into the story lately. America’s romance with cars may not founder just on the fuel supply question. It now appears that our problems with capital are so severe that far fewer people will be able to borrow money from banks to buy cars at the rate, and in the way, that the system has been organized to depend on. Our problems with capital are also depriving us of the ability to pay to fix the hypercomplex system of county roads, interstate highways, and even city streets that make motoring possible. What will we do?…Both factions of American political life indulge in the fiction of control. History is reality’s big brother. It is taking us someplace that we don’t want to go, so it will probably have to drag us there kicking and screaming. For starters, both reality and history will probably take us out to some woodshed of the national soul and beat the crap out of us. That could be a salutary thing, since the crap consists of all the lies we tell ourselves. Once we’re rid of all that, we may rediscover a few things left inside our collective identity that are worth regarding with real self-respect.
Tantric Cougar • November 18th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Babies… sorry but… I’m the FIRST.I would explain about, but… I don’t have time for now!”Thanks for your cooperation” (Brillant quote from “The 5th Element”, movie by Luc Besson)In time: 3,5% GDP is a fake! All we know it, and very well. The global crisis is running hard. US Labour market… catastrophic with no mercy. Financial and economic situation of the American Banks are the Devil Smile itself – only the universal abuse of the FED keeps them moving, but like zombies…. in the DJ all is OK! Pure collective insanity, maybe because “2012″ is nearing.Mis besos
Medic • November 18th, 2009 at 7:25 am
As always, for those who are interested, I have a new post up at The Light Of Day:http://medic-thelightofday.blogspot.com/2009/11/return-of-gold-standard.htmlStop in – coffee’s on…..
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Nouriel in today’s Toronto Globe and Mail:While the United States recently reported 3.5 per cent GDP growth in the third quarter, suggesting that the most severe recession since the Great Depression is over, the American economy is actually much weaker than official data suggest. In fact, official measures of GDP may grossly overstate growth in the economy, as they don’t capture the fact that business sentiment among small firms is abysmal and their output is still falling sharply. Properly corrected for this, third-quarter GDP may have been 2 per cent rather than 3.5 per cent.The story of the U.S. is, indeed, one of two economies. There is a smaller one that is slowly recovering and a larger one that is still in a deep and persistent downturn.Consider the following facts. While America’s official unemployment rate is already 10.2 per cent, the figure jumps to a whopping 17.5 per cent when discouraged workers and partially employed workers are included. And, while data from firms suggest that job losses in the past three months were about 600,000, household surveys, which include self-employed workers and small entrepreneurs, suggest a number above two million.Moreover, the total effect on labour income – the product of jobs times hours worked times average hourly wages – has been more severe than that implied by the job losses alone, because many firms are cutting their workers’ hours, placing them on furlough or lowering their wages as a way to share the pain.Many of the lost jobs – in construction, finance, and outsourced manufacturing and services – are gone forever, and recent studies suggest that a quarter of U.S. jobs can be fully outsourced over time to other countries. Thus, a growing proportion of the work force – often below the radar screen of official statistics – is losing hope of finding gainful employment, while the unemployment rate (especially for poor, unskilled workers) will remain high for a much longer period of time than in previous recessions.Consider also the credit markets. Prime borrowers with good credit scores and investment-grade firms are not experiencing a credit crunch at this point, as the former have access to mortgages and consumer credit while the latter have access to bond and equity markets.But non-prime borrowers – about one-third of U.S. households – do not have much access to mortgages and credit cards. They live from paycheque to paycheque – often a shrinking paycheque, owing to the decline in hourly wages and hours worked. And the credit crunch for non-investment-grade firms and smaller firms, which rely mostly on access to bank loans rather than capital markets, is still severe.Or consider bankruptcies and defaults by households and firms. Larger firms – even those with large debt problems – can refinance their excessive liabilities in or out of court, but an unprecedented number of small businesses are going bankrupt. The same holds for households, with millions of weaker and poorer borrowers defaulting on mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, student loans and other consumer credit.Consider also what is happening to private consumption and retail sales. Recent monthly figures suggest a rise in retail sales. But, because the official statistics capture mostly sales by larger retailers and exclude the fall by hundreds of thousands of smaller stores and businesses that have failed, consumption looks better than it really is.And, while higher-income and wealthier households have a buffer of savings to smooth consumption and avoid having to increase savings, most lower-income households must save more, as banks and other lenders cut back on home-equity loans and lower limits on credit cards. As a result, the household savings rate has risen from zero to 4 per cent of disposable income. But it must rise further, to 8 per cent, in order to reduce the high leverage of the household sector.To be sure, the U.S. government is increasing its budget deficits to put a floor under demand. But most state and local governments that have experienced a collapse in tax revenues must sharply retrench spending by firing policemen, teachers and firefighters while also cutting welfare benefits and social services for the poor. Many state and local governments in poorer regions are at risk of bankruptcy without a massive federal bailout.Moreover, income and wealth inequality is rising again. Poorer households are at greater risk of unemployment, falling wages or reductions in hours worked, all leading to lower labour income, whereas on Wall Street, outrageous bonuses have returned with a vengeance. With the stock market rising and home prices still falling, the wealthy are becoming richer, while the middle class and the poor – whose main wealth is a house rather than equities – are becoming poorer and being saddled with an unsustainable debt burden.So, while the United States may technically be close to the end of a severe recession, most of America is facing a near-depression. Little wonder, then, that few Americans believe that what walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is actually the phoenix of recovery.
. • November 18th, 2009 at 7:32 am
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/24961Twenty Years From Now, You Will Lie To Your ChildrenBarack Obama | George W. Bushby David Michael Green | November 14, 2009 – 2:30pm.Take a look at a video of George W. Bush speaking to the nation five or six years ago.Like a pop single from 1962 (or 2002, for that matter), it didn’t age very well.It’s astonishing that this transparently frightened man was the leader of the free world for eight years, and was given so much license to commit so much destruction.But, then, nothing seems to define our era quite so much as license.We give ourselves license to incur fantastic levels of national debt, and hand the bill to the next generation.We give ourselves license to invade other countries on the most patently bogus of pretexts, bringing disaster upon them and us…..It was bad enough that we lived for as long as we did at a greedy and unsustainable level, stealing from other peoples, from our environment, from brown and female workers, and even from our own children. But now it’s getting much, much worse.In twenty years those children are all too likely to be living poor, on a hostile planet, working long hours to pay down the sins of their fathers.And they might well be enraged, too, as they should be.A decade or two from now, if they confront their right-wing elders – gazing in anger and astonishment at the bottomless capacity of their parents’ selfishness – you can safely bet that their questions will be met with dissembling deception.Twenty years from now, regressives will lie to their children.We know this because those regressives are already lying today, covering their execrable crimes the only way possible.With deceit.
Morbid's Ghost • November 18th, 2009 at 8:32 am
NBC News broadcast an “exclusive” interview with Obama this morning.One question was about losing weight. His answer was that I’m not,but my hair is starting to gray.”I worry about people finding jobs, about people getting heath care,about the economy, and about our young men in harms way…that’s aheavy weight on my shoulders.”What a curious answer. Besides self-serving, these “worries” are notsomething that turns a person’s hair gray.What will make your hair turn prematurely grey, and what will makeyou lose weight is being caught in a continuous now-win situationwhere you are f*cked no matter which way you move.If you know there is no more cheap energy, you know there is no waywe can pay our debt, you know deflation can trigger inflation, youknow that it will require more and more lives to protect our oilinterests which can/will slip through our fingers.Now there are some problems that will make your hair turn prematurelygrey!
economicminor • November 18th, 2009 at 9:01 am
You are right that I should not call people names when they don’t agree with me. It is pointless and possibly harmful. I am frustrated that little seems to be getting done.It could be that there is an active dialog going on somewhere but I have heard little. I know there is some on high speed trains and there is some about our electric grid and a little about alternative energy. Considering that energy is the backbone of our civilization, the public face of these discussions seem rather pallid and inadequate in the face of our dilemma.Capitalism has its good points and its bad points and so far it is the best of the systems IMO. I believe it does need a strong representative government that represents the people’s interests for it to not be a run away train going off a cliff or a ravenous beast that eats its own seed and ends up with nothing but a pile of worthless fiat currency that no one wants.In a system as complex as ours, constant growth is not possible. Even stability is probably just a theoretical concept not attainable. Yet as the President’s chief of staff says, a crisis is an opportunity. We have multiple crisis ongoing and I disagree with the priorities. Energy security should be number one. A higher priority that terrorism, what ever that is. For with out secure stable energy prices, there can be no stability in any other prices or values.
Winston Smith • November 18th, 2009 at 9:12 am
“Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our natural resources.”Franklin D. Roosevelt, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933There’s no reason why a sharp-witted politico like Barack Obama can’t survey the wreckage around him and draw the same conclusions as FDR. “http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney11172009.htmlIt’s not like it make do work that needs to be done either. We’ve got bridges and waterways and cities and transit and power to build. the thing about the WPA that strikes me was that it was directed to localities. this is what is needed now rather than the nationalized armaments and war industry that is psyphoning off untold riches..
MM CA • November 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Just as i predicted 3 months ago. i said it would be 20-30 Billion. All due to massive declines in state revenues from sales tax, real estate taxes and Buisness taxes. and this is on top of raising the state income tax rate, increasing the sales tax rate and many other fees. There is no recovery happening and things are gettign worse. many other states are finally relaizing they are quickly joining the California sinking ship.Reporting from Sacramento – Less than four months after California leaders stitched together a patchwork budget, a projected deficit of nearly $21 billion already looms over Sacramento, according to a report to be released today by the chief budget analyst.The new figure — the nonpartisan analyst’s first projection for the coming budget — threatens to send Sacramento back into budgetary gridlock and force more across-the-board cuts in state programs.The grim forecast, described by people who were briefed on the report by Legislative Analyst Mac Taylor, comes courtesy of California’s recession-wracked economy, unrealistic budgeting assumptions, spending cuts tied up in the courts and disappearing federal stimulus funds.”Economic recovery will not take away the very severe budget problems for this year, next year and the year after,” said Steve Levy, director of the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy.In fact, after two years of precipitous revenue declines, the new report projects relatively stable tax collections for the state, said those who were briefed. But that won’t stop the deficit from climbing to nearly $21 billion.Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who will present his next proposed budget to Californians in January as he begins his last year in office, started sounding the alarm last week.”I think that there will be across-the-board cuts again,” he said at a San Jose news conference.The task in 2010 could be even harder than it was this year, when record deficits and cash shortfalls drove California to issue IOUs for only the second time since the Great Depression. Lawmakers have already cut billions from education, healthcare and social services while temporarily hiking income, sales and vehicle taxes.”I can’t think of any good solutions,” said Assemblywoman Noreen Evans (D-Santa Rosa), who chairs the lower house budget committee.The current budget year accounts for $6.3 billion of the deficit, the nonpartisan analyst projects. Prisons spending will outstrip what has been budgeted by more than $1 billion, and K-12 schools were underpaid by $1 billion under the complex formula that governs education funding, the report says.Another $14.4 billion of the deficit is for the fiscal year that begins next summer, say those briefed on the report. The governor’s next budget will have to account for both years.The state Department of Finance in August predicted a shortfall of at least $7.4 billion for fiscal 2010-11. But California’s financial picture has darkened considerably since then, largely because the shaky summer budget pact relied heavily on borrowing, fiscal tricks and overly optimistic projections.It assumed receipts of nearly $1 billion from the federal government for Medi-Cal that the analyst questions. Another $1 billion was assumed from the sale of a quasi-public workers’ compensation agency that has stalled.Next year’s budget fight is expected to be as contentious as this year’s. Republicans vow to block new taxes; Democrats say they are through with program cuts.Powerful interest groups are already girding for battle.”There is no more to cut from our schools,” California Teachers Assn. President David Sanchez said Tuesday. “There is no more meat on this bone. . . . The next step is amputation.”In higher education, Chancellor Charles Reed of the Cal State University system said this month that he will plead for $884 million in funds from Sacramento next year. The University of California will ask for $913 million more for its 10-campus system, President Mark Yudof has said.”If ever there was a time to fight for and invest in the institution best positioned to power this state from recession, now is that time,” Yudof said in a statement. UC students, meanwhile, are coping with a staggering 32% fee hike.California’s finances have been so bad that the governor’s finance director, Mike Genest, told a budget forum in Washington last week that back in February he had combed through the U.S. Constitution to research whether California could legally declare bankruptcy — or revert to some kind of territorial status. (Neither was realistic, he determined.)The state’s financial problems predate the current recession and the gimmicks used to paper over the deficit, experts say. Year in and year out, state government spends roughly $10 billion more than it collects in tax revenue.Political divisions in Sacramento, where support from both parties is necessary to pass a budget, have repeatedly stymied efforts to plug that hole. The task probably won’t be easier next year as various interests try to muscle one another to the sidelines.Some have even drafted potential ballot measures to aid themselves in the budget fight and are preparing to collect signatures in an effort to place the initiatives before voters.Among the ideas: raising tobacco taxes, curbing public pensions, repealing corporate tax breaks passed thisyear and last, splitting the tax rules for commercial and residential property, reducing the legislative votes needed to pass a budget and strengthening the firewall around local government and transportation money.”There’s a lot of people putting chess pieces on the board right now,” said Jon Coupal, president of the anti-tax Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Assn. “The question is which of those chess pieces will be moving.”shane.goldmacher@latimes.comCopyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times
MM CA • November 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am
It’s all an illusion… We are far worse off then we were this time last year… look arounD Average Joe American, you are blind if you dont see the problems around you.Ilargi: Well, yes, I guess that the best thing Obama’s finance gurus could have wished for is for people to believe that if they can pull off something once, they can continue to do so indefinitely. All they’d have left to do after that is pray like a swirling bunch of derwishes that those people will keep on thinking so until either a miracle happens and the economy shows actual growth – to replace the made-up version seen so far- or at least until they are safely out of office.And I got to give it to them: they have even quite a number of readers of supposedly critically intelligent websites like the Automatic Earth going for the idea. Everything looks fine when observed from the right angle, so therefore it must be fine. The stock markets regained over half of what they lost, so the upswing we all feel so much more comfortable with is here and will go on for weeks and months and years.Man may see himself as rational and smart, but the human mind is one big mothersucker for an upswing, any upswing, screw the odds. Them things just feel good, what can we say, what can we do? It’s who we are.Anyone remember what happened to the debt we were worried about not so long ago? Who cares, really? “They” must have gotten rid of that too, somehow, though I don’t understand how, but then, they are way smarter in that field than I am, and I know they are always looking out for me and my family. And the upswing they know I like so much.Unemployment in the USA, even when calculated in the deceptive and distorted way we have now become so fully accustomed to that we hardly raise our voices anymore, is much higher today than it was a year ago. The official U6 number is at 17.5%, unofficial data indicate more than 1 in 5 Americans are effectively un- or underemployed. A few million more homes were foreclosed on in 2009. The number of hours worked is lower. Pay per hour is stagnant at best. $1.5 trillion in consumer credit card space was pulled. States are reeling and panicking over double digit budget shortfalls. Tax revenues are plummeting. Federal debt has risen by a factor higher than seen since WWII, if not even more. Add your own favorite stats and color the pictures.Still, before any of these developments had even started, back in 2008 49.1 million US citizens had trouble finding enough food to eat. That probably means 15-20 million children. And don’t forget that if they could have fed themselves, much of the food would have been of an inferior quality, since in most poor areas of the country, there’s a hell of a lot more cheap burgers available than vegetables. Perhaps luckily for them, they couldn’t even afford no high-fructosed whoppers.But that was last year. In 2009, how many more hungry children did we add to the tally? Whatever their number, Obama and his administration chose and choose to ignore them. For Washington, saving Wall Street institutions is much more important. First you save the banks, and if there’s anything left afterwards, you may -or may not, depending on what the polls say- look at the 30-some million unemployed and the 20-odd million undernourished children.The money used to prop up the banks has led to the illusionary notion of actual profits being made. Which in turn is all the excuse that’s needed to pay out bonuses, which in 2009 are set to reach new record levels. 20 million hungry children could be greatly helped with $1000 a year each for food. That would cost $20 billion, and still leave more than enough to pay some kind of bonuses. Or even better, dare we say it, pay back the government loans.Where I come from, the description of a nation that leaves its children behind in hunger while showering its upper classes with lavish amounts of more luxury than they know what to do with evokes pictures of present-day Somalia or latter-day Rome and the let-them-eat-cake France of Marie Antoinette. Not of a socially and politically highly developed society of the 21st century.For that reason alone, much the rest of the developed world will be greatly tempted to pull their hands away from America. They will simply conclude that a country that lets one out of every seven, six, five of its people go to bed without being properly fed, is a threat, plain and simple. The people in these countries will think that if their own representatives get too cozy with the US “leaders” who let that sort of thing happen, the same thing may some day soon be their fate.”President Barack Obama called the USDA report “unsettling” and vowed to reverse the trend of rising hunger.” The trend the report talks about is a year or more old. And still the president had no idea until the report came out? I’d say it’s unsettling that he responds the way the does. Isn’t it sort of his job to know when 50 million Americans go hungry? Is there anything at all more elementary than that for an elected “leader”?The president has spent all he can afford, and more, on bailing out campaign donating bankers. He can’t afford to feed the children, even if he would want to, which looks doubtful by now. Or rather, he might want to, just as he might want to send a manned mission to Mars by Christmas and reverse global warming by Thanksgiving. Not a priority, in other words.”They can make this rally last for years”. No, they can’t, but they can make enough people think they can, and that’s what counts.
MM CA • November 18th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Gotta watch the Video… Bernake is an idiot. the proof on what he sees happening and what reality is, comes in words right out of his mouth 3 years ago when he said there was “No Problem”.anyone gettign the feeling that something big will be happening after XMAS? they are doing everythign they can to get through the end of 2009, but early 2010 things are goign to get very bad, far worse then msot can imagine…Bernanke vs. Meredith Whitneyhttp://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/bernanke-vs-meridith-whitney.html?ref=patrick.netThe man that never saw it coming can’t see it coming again. Please consider Bernanke Says ‘Not Obvious’ Asset Prices Misaligned.Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said it’s “not obvious” that asset prices in the U.S. are out of line with underlying values after a 64 percent jump in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index from its March low.“It is inherently extraordinarily difficult to know whether an asset’s price is in line with its fundamental value,” he said today in response to audience questions after a speech in New York. “It’s not obvious to me in any case that there’s any large misalignments currently in the U.S. financial system.”“The best approach here if at all possible is to use supervisory and regulatory methods to restrain undue risk-taking and to make sure the system is resilient in case an asset-price bubble bursts in the future,” Bernanke said.If that was the best approach then why didn’t the Fed do it?On the possibility of using interest rates to pop bubbles, “we can never say never,” Bernanke said today. “We have to keep an open mind.”It’s hard to keep an open mind when it is closed to anything but academic formulas and Keynesian and Monetarist claptrap that has no real life application.The most ridiculous thing Bernanke said was “the Fed is ‘attentive’ to changes in the dollar’s value and “will help ensure that the dollar is strong.”There is not a person on the planet that believes that.Indeed, every time I hear Bernanke speak I wonder the same thing….Bernanke: Why are we still listening to this guy?The following video should make people think twice about listening to anything that Chairmen of the Fed Ben Bernanke says. It’s a compilation of statements he made from 2005-2007 that will have your head spinning.Meredith Whitney Calls For Double Dip RecessionMeredith Whitney says Stocks Overvalued, Recession Will Return.Stocks are overvalued and the US economy is likely to fall back into a recession next year, well-known analyst Meredith Whitney told CNBC.”I haven’t been this bearish in a year,” she said in a live interview. “I look at the board and every single stock from Tiffany (TIF) to Bank of America (BAC) to Caterpillar (CAT) is up. But there is no fundamental rooting as to why these names are up—particularly in the consumer space.”I am disappointed in one thing: Her comments about sideline cash were silly. Please see “Buy The Dip” Mentality Fully Entrenched for a discussion of sideline cash.She is right on several things:The US consumer was going through the biggest credit contraction ever—even bigger than that during the Great Depression. “That credit contraction is accelerating,” she said. “There’s nowhere to hide at this point.”The banking sector is not adequately capitalized and will need to raise more capital in the coming year.The residential real estate market is likely to worsen and remains a much bigger threat than the commercial property market. The government’s mortgage modification program won’t result in any major improvement in homeowners’ ability to stay above water, she added.Mike “Mish” Shedlockhttp://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 10:25 am
all the cities too…S.F. home value drop, jobless drain city budgetHeather Knight, Chronicle Staff WriterTuesday, November 17, 2009San Francisco’s lowered home values and high unemployment rates have created another unwelcome side effect: far less revenue coming into city coffers than expected.——————————————————————————–More NewsShuttle nears space station, looks ‘beautiful’ 11.18.092 Richmond car fires may not be linked to others 11.18.09Retrofit cuts diesel exhaust of train by 50% 11.18.09Does California need a lieutenant governor? 11.18.09.——————————————————————————–A report released Monday by the controller’s office shows that property tax revenues will likely be $35 million less than anticipated in the 2009-10 fiscal year that began July 1. Payroll tax revenues will probably be $24.8 million less than expected, the report said.To make matters worse, some city departments are going over budget, including shortfalls of $5.1 million in the Fire Department, $4 million in the Sheriff’s Department and $3.2 million in Superior Court.This year’s $6.6 billion budget bridged a $438 million gap and included a $25 million cushion for unexpected revenue loss. But that’s proving not enough to make up for the missing dollars, meaning San Francisco is now expected to be in the red by an additional $28.1 million over the course of this year.”I don’t even know if I have words to describe how bad this is,” said Steve Kawa, Mayor Gavin Newsom’s chief of staff.Kawa said the mayor’s office will send out letters to department heads today outlining how much spending will need to be cut to balance this year’s budget. Another round of letters will go out to department heads Thursday describing how much more will have to be cut for the 2010-11 year. City officials will formally begin discussing next year’s budget in the next few months.Gloomier next yearNext year’s budget deficit is likely to top $400 million, Kawa said. That forecast could get even worse with federal stimulus money coming to an end next year and the state likely to help balance its own budget woes by cutting money sent to cities and counties.”It may be the perfect financial storm,” Kawa said. “It’s going to be incredibly difficult to find a way to balance next year’s budget without some severe impacts.”In the near term, the fight over midyear cuts could get ugly. Already, several supervisors are at odds with the mayor over the supervisors’ plan to approve spending $7 million to rescind more than 500 layoff notices going into effect this week for city and school district workers.Seven supervisors voted to approve the plan last Tuesday, falling one vote short of the eight votes required – and sending the plan back to committee for further discussion.Report criticizedSupervisor John Avalos, a proponent of the $7 million bailout and chairman of the board’s budget committee, said the controller’s report is disingenuous because it includes the $7 million in its $28.1 million shortfall estimate as if the money had been spent. But at the same time, the controller says he will block the spending of the money even if the supervisors eventually approve it.Avalos said the controller’s report also failed to account for $34 million expected to come into the city from the state later this year that is linked to new hospital fees and Medicaid reimbursements.”It’s a little bit cooked,” Avalos said of the report. “They’ve painted the picture a little darker than it really is.”Avalos added the $35 million in decreased property tax revenue is an estimate based on 4,000 appeals by property owners to have their property tax assessments lowered. Avalos said there’s no telling whether those appeals will be approved by the assessor’s office.Supervisor Sean Elsbernd said he expects the $35 million figure to wind up being conservative. He said 350 property owners had filed appeals by this time two years ago, and their properties were worth a total of $2 billion. This year, the 4,000 property owners represent property totaling $25 billion.Elsbernd said that’s why the board needs to get serious about major fiscal reform, including employee health benefits and retirement systems.”These numbers are dramatic,” he said. “We need to go after the big money now. A clip here, a clip there doesn’t get it done.”New budget deficitsOakland$19 millionshortfall after the first fiscal quarterSan Francisco$28.1 millionshortfall forecast for entire yearS.F. budget by the numbers$6.6 billion: Total budget for 2009-10 fiscal year$438 million: Deficit already bridged with layoffs, service reductions, fee increases, etc.$35 million: New expected shortfall in property taxes$24.8 million: New expected shortfall in payroll taxes$28.1 million: New expected shortfall overall (after factoring in a $25 million cushion in this year’s budget and a variety of other budgetary factors)$400 million: Expected deficit for the 2010-11 fiscal yearRead more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/17/MN001ALO7J.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0XEG3I6Ky
MM CA • November 18th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Again, who are these so called experts who always explain bad news as unexpected? why not jsut open your eyes and deal with reality? this is why mainstream press cannot be beleived…New home building is vitually non-existant. Home building companies are dead companies walking. there will be no recvovery in new home building for well over 10 years. with over 20 million unoccupied housing units avialable there is no need for New Home building for the msot part. So there goes another whole industry and all the JOBS that go with it. No JOBS continues. BTW even if there was demand for new homes, who could afford them? Who could borrow to buy them? Not all the people presently unemployed and not all the emmployed people taking pay cuts and dealing with rising prices on the stuff they really need like food, energy, gas, water…Housing Starts in U.S. Unexpectedly Plunge 11% (Update2)Share Business ExchangeTwitterFacebook| Email | Print | A A A By Shobhana ChandraNov. 18 (Bloomberg) — Builders in October unexpectedly broke ground on fewer U.S. houses as the sales outlook darkened with the looming expiration of a government tax credit and mounting joblessness.The 11 percent plunge in starts to an annual rate of 529,000, the lowest level since April, followed a 592,000 pace the prior month, Commerce Department figures showed today in Washington. Building permits, a sign of future construction, also decreased.The market may have seized up as builders waited to see if the administration would extend a first-time buyer incentive that helped lift sales. President Barack Obama signed legislation this month to include some current owners, which may give companies such as Toll Brothers Inc. reason to gain optimism even as the highest unemployment rate in 26 years shakes confidence.“The numbers are shocking,” said Patrick Newport, an economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts, who forecast starts would drop. The decline “represents a payback for the tax credit, which induced builders to build earlier.”Stock-index futures dropped after the report, erasing earlier gains. The contract on the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index was down 0.1 percent at 1,106.1 at 8:56 a.m. in New York.A separate report from the Labor Department today showed the cost of living rose at a pace that supports the Federal Reserve’s forecast for tame inflation. The 0.3 percent rise in the consumer-price index followed a 0.2 percent increase in September. Excluding food and energy costs, the core index rose 0.2 percent for a second month.Economists’ ForecastsStarts on dwellings were projected to rise to a 600,000 annual pace, after 590,000 in September, according to the median forecast of 77 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. Estimates ranged from 570,000 to 630,000.Permits, a sign of future construction, dropped to a 552,000 annual pace last month from 575,000. They were forecast to climb to a 580,000 annual rate, according to the survey median.Construction of single-family houses, which account for 75 percent of the industry, decreased 6.8 percent to a 476,000 rate, today’s report showed.Work on multifamily homes, such as townhouses and apartment buildings, plunged 35 percent to an annual rate of 53,000 that was the lowest on record.The decrease in starts was led by a 19 percent slump in the Northeast. All four regions declined.Tax Credit ExtendedConstruction may further improve after President Barack Obama and Congress extended a tax credit of as much as $8,000 for first-time homebuyers until April 30, from Nov. 30. They also expanded it to include some current owners.Concern over the looming expiration of the credit earlier this month weighed on builder sentiment. The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo’s confidence index held at 17 in November for a second month, the group said yesterday.Some companies are already seeing a turn. Toll Brothers, the largest U.S. luxury homebuilder, last week said orders surged 42 percent in the quarter ended Oct. 31. The Horsham, Pennsylvania-based company also said cancellations slowed and revenue beat analysts’ estimates.Consumer ConfidenceGains in consumer confidence, more stable home prices and fewer unsold houses “suggest that the new home market should be improving,” Chief Executive Officer Robert Toll said in a statement. “We sense that it is, though slowly and through choppy waters.”A sustained rebound still requires an improvement in the job market. The median estimate of economists surveyed this month anticipated unemployment, which reached a 26-year high of 10.2 percent last month, will top 10 percent through the first half of 2010.Foreclosure filings exceeded 300,000 for an eighth straight month in October as rising joblessness made it tougher for homeowners to pay their bills, RealtyTrac Inc. said last week.To contact the reporter on this story: Shobhana Chandra in Washington schandra1@bloomberg.netLast Updated: November 18, 2009 08:58 EST
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 10:34 am
FYI – 2 years ago there were almost 2 million housing starts. Shows how far the drop has been.
MM CA • November 18th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I predicited he would be at 35% by this XMAS back last January when he was high 60′s. probaly will be around 43-46 now, but come Spring he’ll hit 35% and continue dropping all the way to his re-election attempt.Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama’s approval rating has fallen below 50 percent for the first time in polling by Quinnipiac University as U.S. voter discontent grows over the war in Afghanistan.Obama’s job approval rating fell to 48 percent in the Nov. 9-16 survey of registered voters nationwide by the Hamden, Connecticut-based university, with 42 percent polled saying they disapproved of the job he is doing.“In politics, symbols matter, and this is not a good symbol for the White House,” Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement.Obama’s approval rating was 59 percent in a Quinnipiac survey conducted Feb. 25 to March 2.The percentage of people who approve of Obama’s handling of the economy fell to 43 percent, down from 47 percent in an October Quinnipiac poll.The percentage who say they disapprove of the way Obama is handling the war in Afghanistan rose to 49 percent in the latest survey, up from 42 percent last month. Thirty-eight percent approved of his handling of the war, compared with 40 percent last month.The November survey of 2,518 registered voters also found that the percentage of those saying that fighting the war in Afghanistan was the right thing to do has fallen below 50 percent, to 48 percent. That is down from 52 percent in October.
economicminor • November 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Very good. Elegant and sadly true.Thanks for the time you spend writing.I for one appreciate you and your thoughtful analysis.em
FEDup • November 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am
As the color of shoots goes from green to brown, so goes the color of Obama’s hair from black to grey.
economicminor • November 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Add this to the piece about California’s budget woes and your previous analysis of unemployed and hungry. It is a gloomy picture at best. I am sad that the change that was voted in is so illusive. BO gives wonderful speeches as do many of his cabinet but their urgency beyond the speeches seems to be lacking. As does any focus on any specific problem.I saw Newt, Sharp and BO’s Ed Sec. on Meet the Press. That odd trio had been out looking at schools and trying to figure out what to do. I heard a lot of concern and rhetoric but nothing substantive on education reform. Newt wants vouchers and parental involvement. Sharpton wants equality and good teachers. Duncan wants some consensus because he has 4 billion to invest in fixing problems.Our present educational system was developed to get people ready to be active participants in the industrial revolution. We needed educated workers. We have and are shipping any of those jobs left in the US overseas so what is it that we are educating for now? Society got complicated so education got complicated. We decided to main stream those with disabilities, no matter how severe or how costly. We allowed the teachers unions to get in service days which shortened the actual classroom hours. Add in benefits and tenure and the cost of education soared while the actual hours in the classroom shrank.But education wasn’t the only thing society paid for. We paid for police and fire fighters and planners and …. all got unions and benefits and all the costs went up… But society didn’t want to pay for any of these costs so politicians figured out creative ways to transfer the costs into the future… And the future is NOW.. California is not unique. It is how a lot of states managed their budgets.So now what? There are no good or easy answers. There are things we could be doing with our resources to work towards security in the future but until reality slaps the leadership in this country smack in the face, hard, little can be done.Why do I say little can be done? Because of human nature. We got into these problems due to our nature to live for today and push off all problems that we could into the future. So many of yesterday’s and tomorrow’s obligations are leveraged to the max based on unrealistic future incomes that there is absolutely no possible way that we can maintain our current expenditures with our current incomes. When the reality of this finally comes home to roost, only then will people stop posturing and preening and we will pick up the pieces and get back on track…AS for education….. What are we educating for? What is the purpose? So that people can have what kind of job? You don’t need much of an education provided by the establishment to deal drugs or even run an underground business (prostitution, gambling or stealing cars). As long as corporate profits are the driving factor in government decisions our educational system works fine. Have the production done over seas where it is cheap, until our citizens get so poor that they are willing to do the same job for less than China, India or Brazil.Fallacy in the corporate thinking is that someone has to purchase all the goods being produced. The US was that purchaser until we ran into Zero Hour and our lowering incomes no longer were able to pay the debts we had incurred. For without increased incomes for the working class, there really is no one to purchase is there?
FEDup • November 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Good points- unfortunately, there is no place in our leaders decisions for clear, logical, fair and rational policies that benefit 99% of the people-at least not in this “demon acracy.” Do they really care when billions are given to the TBTFs while a fraction of that would solve all hunger in the U.S.?
economicminor • November 18th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Oh they will when the the ability to borrow and the collapse of the debt pyramid topples the TBTEs. To Big to Exist isn’t just a funny euphemism but a reality. When something is to big to exist or something makes absolutely no sense, there will come a time when they stop existing.It is just a matter of time and timing.
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
How come you are unable to write a single sentence without inflammatory (high-school level) remarks? You’re nothing but a punk; now go away, I think I hear your mother calling…
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
But… energy security for whom?2/3 of the world’s population lives on $3/day or less. That level isn’t going to get better, it’s going to get worse: when we’re done sucking all their energy reserves they will be sitting with nothing. Barbarians at the gate. This movie has played out way too many times and is all too predictable.The ONLY solution is to voluntarily step down living standards (based on the over-inflated dream-walk that the West has been immersed in).Fast trains aren’t the answer. We’ve had fast EVERYTHING up until now and we’ve only managed to create a system that’s further and further out of touch with the very thing that keeps us alive- nature!Complexity kills. We think we’re smart only because we lie to ourselves.
Guest • November 18th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Or his skin color goes from brown to green (sick/ill)
Doesn’t matter what face is on the dying empire, it’s still dying…
Wolf in the Wilds • November 18th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Well put. Question is can the country turn back to the fundmentals of feeding its people, and can the government afford it after giving the looting bankers $11trn??
Anonymous • November 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I have no conclusive proof, but there are indications and some “whistleblower” information that the government economic data is reviewed before publication, and if it is the opinion of the reviewer that the data would cause panic in the marketplace, it is “adjusted” appropriately.For example, previously adjusted data is often adjusted when it is a month or so old (not necessary to the “true” value, but in the true direction). Usually, the old data is adjusted downward. Nobody pays much attention, because it’s old data. This also has the affect of making the current data (which may or may not be “adjusted”) look better, as there is usually more “inprovement” using the newly readjusted data.

















