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Recent CNBC Roubini Interview (Paris)

6/22/09 – CNBC - Oil, Rates May Stifle Recovery: Roubini (Click here for video)

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(CNBC) — The price of oil, which is rising too fast, and long-term interest rates that are beginning to creep up are likely to suppress a budding recovery, Nouriel Roubini, president of RGE Monitor, told CNBC Monday.

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Clamp Down on Too Big to Fail Banks: Roubini

Oil at $100, Interest Rates May Stifle Recovery: Roubini

198 Responses to “Recent CNBC Roubini Interview (Paris)”

Jason BJune 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pm

Jobs are disappearingConsumers are over indebted and cutting back, hamstringing 70% of USA GDPThe fundamental problems with banks have not been solved, only obfuscated with taxpayer money and regulatory forebearanceThe as-reported PE of the S&P 500 is well over 100, means we are set up for a huge correction.

PeteCAJune 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

From the previous thread:MM_CA said …”Just went through annual enrollment for wife and I. our contributuons to our employer based health care coverage is now:Medical $330.00 26 $8,580.00Medical $399.00 26 $10,374.00Medical $729.00 $18,954.00Dental $36.00 26 $936.00Dental $32.00 26 $832.00Dental $68.00 $1,768.00Total $20,722.00″Think about it.For that kind of money, it’s possible for you to fly overseas and have your medical work done in another country – where living costs are less, but doctors are competent. The US medical system is pricing itself out of existence. Americans can outsource their health care care – by getting on an airplane. And you get a free trip as well!PeteCA

JPJune 22nd, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Extend and pretend – The phrase used by BAC managers to address at-risk and non-performing CRE loans

AnonymousJune 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm

well yes, if you’re fortunate enough to be able to choose when you need medical care….

GregJune 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

Coming back from a business trip to Costa Rica, I sat next to an elderly gentleman on the flight back. His face was swollen and black and blue. We got to talking and he was there for oral surgery. He got to spend 4 nights at a resort in San Jose and get his needed surgery… all for about half of what it would have cost him in the states.

GuestJune 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm

You know those 1,500 banks that NR said would fail? This is from three months ago, but I think it’s even more appropriate today.US Banks Operating Without Reserve Requirements by Eric deCarbonnelOver the last few years the Federal Reserve has lower the fractional reserve requirement to just eight (8) percent!Moreover, the Federal Reserve allows depository institutions satisfy the entire eight percent reserve requirement with its “vault cash”, which, of course, is held to meet the liquidity needs of their customers but it is also used in the absence of the old fashion 20%-10% of assets reserve requirement. In other words, reserve requirements are effectively non-existent.Retail merchants deposit cash in the morning and it goes back out through the teller windows in the afternoon. These banks would run out of cash even with the mildest of concerns by their customers.Moral, if possible keep cash in the house. Even better, keep it in the form of 90% silver coins.http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/03/us-banks-operate-without-reserve.html

kilgoresJune 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm

This comment doesn’t even make sense. One could understand what you wish to say, perhaps, if you could manage to construct a complete sentence.SWK

MichelleJune 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Nouriel states banks have grown too large through mergers and need to “slim down.” Yes, I agree, our financial system needs to go on a diet, and maybe even a “crash diet.” The speculative behavior of too many dollars chasing too few goods has gone on long enough, and this casino built on a house of cards needs to come crashing down. The Senate Banking Committee is this week addressing how to regulate the derivatives market, and I have no doubt they will continue to protect this market so the financial sector can continue their game of Russian roulette. What these bozos in Washington don’t seem to get is that the only winners of these weapons of mass destruction are the super-rich, yet their destructiveness is the equivalent of a parasite sucking the lifeblood from corporate America. If this is allowed to continue, there will be no winners, only losers, as jobs will continue to be lost, more companies will be forced into bankruptcy (thanks to NOW anonymous hedge funds waiting for the big payoff – the credit event), and the U.S. will become even more of a lifeless shell of past industry than it already is.Sad that there isn’t a sense of moral responsibility and obligation to workers and their families by ensuring companies can remain an on-going concern. Instead of proudly stating: “I have created thousands of sustainable jobs for the local economy” these shysters should instead admit their role in destroying our economy. What I’d give to hear these words: “Because I am a greedy SOB and I only care about how much money I have and what it can buy, I am sorry to say I’m responsible for thousands of job losses, robbing widows and orphan funds, retirees’ 401(k)’s, and nearly causing a financial collapse.”I think all these guilty parties need to be ground into chum and used as shark bait.

ArmchairJune 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Love it.It is a “market” solution. The main thing is you need to convince people to get passports.

AnonymousJune 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

how bout iceland??http://www.economicdisasterarea.com/index.php/news/man-destroys-his-house-i-have-nothing-to-lose/Man Destroys His House – I Have Nothing To LoseThis is Iceland today.A man in Alftanes, a suburb of Reykjavik destroyed a house he and his family lived in until his bank repossessed it after the economic collapse.The man in his fifties said he’d lost everything. He also buried his car in the back garden and left before police arrested him for property damages.His home loans were in a foreign currency and he tried negotiating with his bank to no avail. The man said he didn’t care if he owed 60 or 120 million ISK, “I have lost everything”.He got a film crew to film the demolition and we await to see the footage posted somewhere soon.A bit drastic but I think many will understand the man’s position living in a society that is designed for banks and tax-evaders.

MichelleJune 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm

Guest,The vault cash is the day’s ending vault balance at closing, averaged over a two-week period (the maintenance period.) True, the reserve requirement can be met solely through vault cash, but many institutions do not keep that amount of cash on site for reasons including security and safekeeping, bond premiums, non-earning asset issues, etc. Keep in mind that reserve balances must deposited with the Fed and stiff penalties are assessed if these balances drop below the requirement during the reserve maintenance period.Keeping some cash on hand is prudent for any event, but beyond what can be spent over a week’s time is unnecessary. Stashing cash under your mattress is risky and unwarranted.

London BankerJune 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm

@ Professor Roubini: Nice haircut, but I like the wild and wooly look too.@ hlowe

LB, you have called for the dollar to tank, what’s up?hlowe

I’ve learned by watching objective results. I see that the Fed is rigging the game – with the help of the primary dealers who also happen to be the major prime brokers – so that the dollar holds enough value and foreign markets are scary enough to herd the punters into Treasuries. Some coordinated selling, a few margin calls, and hey presto! another foreign market collapses while the US outperforms.If the primary dealers/prime brokers fail, then they lose the “protection” afforded by the Fed’s secret and limitless balance sheet. If they succeed, then they all get to pay themselves huge bonuses and participate in ill-transparent funds that leverage the advance information.I’m also factoring in that the best way for the Chinese to escape from the dollar trap they are in is to support deflation in the US, which paradoxically strengthens the US dollar and US Treasuries for a time. Those $104 billion auction Treasuries this week must be bought by the primary dealers regardless of whether China is buying, so the dollars must be raised from liquidations and repatriated. The process is much harsher if the Chinese aren’t buying Treasuries, but that actually contributes to the value of their existing portfolio as the flight to quality and dollar flows enhance that value. In the meanwhile, they can join game of bargain hunting after the primary dealers knock the prices down.At least that’s what I see happening, although I’m not paying as close attention as I should because the day job gets in the way.Reply to this comment By London Banker on 2009-06-22 21:52:55

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm

The White House, WashingtonDear Friend,Last week, I announced United We Serve – a nationwide call to service challenging you and all Americans to volunteer this summer and be part of building a new foundation for America. ( goldman sachs, et al. excluded )And when I say “all,” I mean everyone – young and old, from every background, all across the country. We need individuals, community organizations, corporations, foundations, and our government to be part of this effort.Today, for the official kick off of United We Serve, members of my administration have fanned out across America to participate in service events and encourage all Americans to join them.The First Lady is rolling up her sleeves and getting to work too. But before she headed out today, she asked me to share this message with you.A Message From The First LadyOur nation faces some of the greatest challenges it has in generations and we know it’s going to take a lot of hard work to get us back on track.While Michelle and I are calling on every American to participate in United We Serve, the call to service doesn’t end this fall. We need to stay involved in our towns and communities for a long time to come. After all, America’s new foundation will be built one neighborhood at a time – and that starts with you.Thank you,President Barack Obama…o.k.. i received this email this evening and i canappreciate the idea. i believe in civic duty.just prior to receiving this i received a call froma crack addict stating he, along with a number ofhis housemates are being evicted by the bank thatforclosed on their prior land lord. let us call herex landlord x. the bank, bank u, or bank s or whatever..besides his crack addiction and lack of funds hisand his housemates most immediate problem is thatthe first floor of the dwelling is covered withtwo inches of feces and urine and other wastewatertype materials due to neglect concerning some basicplumbing realities. situation ongoing for some days.so contact with the ex landlord x results in a visitand an offer to get a plumber to respond immediatelyfor 100 dollars, cheap, to solve the immediate back up, reality.once this is established the residents, 8 of them, refuse to pay! just like bank u, or bank s or whatever refused all along.so what does ex landlord x do? who has seen hereproperty taken from her by bank a, or bank u or whatever. she goes ahead and commits to pay the plumber herself.her actions speak for themselves and for her spirit..for my part i would like to see communities all overthe country put on display my “art installation” asdescribed in the prior thread. the one with the opaque smoke and mirror ball. i think the obama family and america would get it and enjoy the experience.

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm

The White House, WashingtonDear Friend,Last week, I announced United We Serve – a nationwide call to service challenging you and all Americans to volunteer this summer and be part of building a new foundation for America. ( goldman sachs, et al. excluded )And when I say “all,” I mean everyone – young and old, from every background, all across the country. We need individuals, community organizations, corporations, foundations, and our government to be part of this effort.Today, for the official kick off of United We Serve, members of my administration have fanned out across America to participate in service events and encourage all Americans to join them.The First Lady is rolling up her sleeves and getting to work too. But before she headed out today, she asked me to share this message with you.A Message From The First LadyOur nation faces some of the greatest challenges it has in generations and we know it’s going to take a lot of hard work to get us back on track.While Michelle and I are calling on every American to participate in United We Serve, the call to service doesn’t end this fall. We need to stay involved in our towns and communities for a long time to come. After all, America’s new foundation will be built one neighborhood at a time – and that starts with you.Thank you,President Barack Obama…o.k.. i received this email this evening and i canappreciate the idea. i believe in civic duty.just prior to receiving this i received a call froma crack addict stating he, along with a number ofhis housemates are being evicted by the bank thatforclosed on their prior land lord. let us call herex landlord x. the bank, bank u, or bank s or whatever..besides his crack addiction and lack of funds hisand his housemates most immediate problem is thatthe first floor of the dwelling is covered withtwo inches of feces and urine and other wastewatertype materials due to neglect concerning some basicplumbing realities. situation ongoing for some days.so contact with the ex landlord x results in a visitand an offer to get a plumber to respond immediatelyfor 100 dollars, cheap, to solve the immediate back up, reality.once this is established the residents, 8 of them, refuse to pay! just like bank u, or bank s or whatever refused all along.so what does ex landlord x do? who has seen hereproperty taken from her by bank a, or bank u or whatever. she goes ahead and commits to pay the plumber herself.her actions speak for themselves and for her spirit..for my part i would like to see communities all overthe country put on display my “art installation” asdescribed in the prior thread. the one with the opaque smoke and mirror ball. i think the obama family and america would get it and enjoy the experience.

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm

m,i think somebody said “sharks don’t eattheir own kind”, but i don’t think thatis true!

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm

m,i think somebody said “sharks don’t eattheir own kind”, but i don’t think thatis true!

2centsJune 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 pm

@ LB,I agree wholeheartedly. If your stash is in cash or you are a net creditor, then deflation is your ticket to success. The question becomes is there more “power” in those who are net holders of direct US obligations or is there more “power” in those who are net holders of US individual and corporate obligations.While in theory both benefit structurally via deflation, the accounting of such an outcome is on paper catastrophic to the latter based on current metrics. While the math of deflation on US obligations is also unpleasant, it is at the same time strategic. Besides US exports becoming more competitive, net holders of direct US obligations would be salivating at getting repaid in higher value dollars and we would benefit via all the political goodwill that would flow out of that position.The fly in the ointment appears to be how do we transition from current metrics of growth and valuation to a new set that takes into account more “real value” at lower dollar amounts. Unless there is a clear and transparent mechanism of transition, then this whole episode ends is some type of serious meltdown.Unfortunately, some of the players who can map out this transformation of new valuations are the likes of the ratings agencies, the IRS, and accounting standards boards. When the IRS is the most respected party in a group of three you know the others leave much to be desired. Yet, if this nut can be cracked then harmony will return.

SoftwarengineerJune 22nd, 2009 at 11:30 pm

HERE’S SOME MEDICAL NEWS I GOT FROM A CONTRACT MEDICAL SERVICE COMPANY I DO BOARD WORK FOR IN SEATTLETheir orders are down 30% fo hospital assistance jobs.The hospital roomas are like 30% empty, with optional operations on hold due to poor economy.Family doctors are becoming extinct, replaced with specialists…RNs make similar salaries as lower priced PhDs. RNs are getting laid off and can’t get LPN jobs either for lower pay.Cash strapped doctors are looking to start nursing contract companies themselves, but quickly find the market is totally saturated to attempt this.The hospital cafeterias have gone to half staff, there’s no one there eating lunch.My sister died of cancer a couple years ago and they sent her back home, yet she could barely stand up. They don’t want to tie up rooms and cost the hospitals money; and she has good insurance.The Medicaid patients are only paying about 30% of actual hospital costs and that’s good; the emergency rooms are full of deadbeats that pay 0%; this means when you go in with full insurance, your service is drastically cut so deadbeats can get treated free. Like it or not, those are the facts, ask a doctor if you don’t believe me.

SoftwarengineerJune 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 pm

HI 2 CENTSHave you seen the movie “Its a Wonderful Life” where the evil banker Potter buys up all the real estate for pennies on the dollar after the bank doors are locked.Now you get an idea why loans are tight? Perhaps our bankers are saving their spare loot we gave them to do what Mr. Potter did, say a few years from now?

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 am

l,”In this regard, the line between national necessity and political expediency has no doubt been perilously blurred.We can only urge people to see what the evidence indicates and debate what is and ought to be a very contentious matter. The time for such a public discussion is long overdue.”.sounds true!

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 am

l,”In this regard, the line between national necessity and political expediency has no doubt been perilously blurred.We can only urge people to see what the evidence indicates and debate what is and ought to be a very contentious matter. The time for such a public discussion is long overdue.”.sounds true!

2centsJune 23rd, 2009 at 12:25 am

@ SE,I’ve seen the movie many times. While I agree that the Potter element is ever present, on a National and Global scale it won’t scale well. Yes, the Potters of the world may get everything cheap, but they don’t end up with much value in the end. No, the Potter method relies on asymmetry to succeed. If Potter is nefarious but everyone else (At least most) play it straight then Potter actually benefits more because he has scammed a portion of an overall legit market which serves to protect his value.The Potter operation fails on a wide scale, because the overall market becomes corrupt and ultimately the real values collapse. Believe it or not, Potter’s method is exactly what we need, but it needs to be open and transparent and mostly symmetric so that a legitimate market can come out at the other end with new and realistic and affordable valuations.You see we really needed Clarence to let George Bailey’s bank fail, but for him to instead spread the word about Potter’s scheme so that everyone could participate. The problem is that we’ve never figured out how to devalue gracefully! It’s an accounting construct that doesn’t exist! It’s informally called failure.Accounting derives value via numeric numbers and actually has no tangible connection to true value other than through those numbers. In the end all we really want accounting to do is to value something for us, but its transformation mechanism is numbers and the implied connection of those numbers to fiat money and the value that is associated with that money. All the gurus are pushing their solution to the crisis by tweaking one of these connections.I’m not saying I have the answer, but the solution lies in reestablishing those important connections at more realistic levels. No one actually disagrees that adjustments need to take place, they just disagree by how much and through what mechanism to do so. I posit that an open and transparent readjustment mechanism is the only way to preempt chaos! The question becomes who gets whacked and who get rewarded in the adjustment process. Understanding that the politics of that question makes chaos look rather appealing!

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 am

m,certainly! i said that but not so directly.i was convinced early on that the indirectapproach to communication was most effective,for better or worse r. …hmmmm.

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 am

m,certainly! i said that but not so directly.i was convinced early on that the indirectapproach to communication was most effective,for better or worse r. …hmmmm.

YveJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 am

The system is barbaric. Medical care is a human right & should not be means tested and for profit. Period.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 am

China support deflation in USA? dream on, FED is on the high ground to push inflation in USA. FOMC will decide if FED’s policy is $USD & $USB die or not.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 am

Unfortunately, there are also a number of horror stories related to overseas medical care, spa visits notwithstanding. I’ll gladly pay for care in the U.S.

MedicJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 am

A conversation (verbatim) that I overheard yesterday between an ER doc and a patient:Doctor: “I don’t see anything out of the ordinary. I recommend a laxative for a couple of days and follow up with your own primary care provider if your constipation persists.”Patient: “I want X-Rays.”Doctor: “You better enjoy this power now. In 5 more years, if I don’t think you need X-Rays, you won’t get them.”Me: “YES!!!!!”

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 am

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!Moody’s says US is a solid AAA (ReutersBloomberg)

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 am

Is it not eerie how the Obama administration is foreshadowing the need for community self-sufficiency in times of crisis?One could argue no, its just good citizenship to be involved in your community. I agree, but why now? Why the urgency?

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 am

g,i think we will have to get involved on somelevel and find out just what kind of directionor communication is being promoted, we should bethe ones doing the infusing of ideas into thesesettings. we the people who have been surveyingthe landscape for a while. they have an organizational tool called incident command. myspeculation is that this system of communication,command and control will be what is communicated to the masses. this system has its place and is greatfor putting out fires, but it ain’t democracy andit doesn’t preserve freedom or liberty, it attempts to save lives in the face of doom byestablishing clear lines of authority and areasof critical responsibility. the paranoids wet dream, so to speak..i prefer the “art installation” myself, the onewith the smoke and mirror ball.

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 am

g,i think we will have to get involved on somelevel and find out just what kind of directionor communication is being promoted, we should bethe ones doing the infusing of ideas into thesesettings. we the people who have been surveyingthe landscape for a while. they have an organizational tool called incident command. myspeculation is that this system of communication,command and control will be what is communicated to the masses. this system has its place and is greatfor putting out fires, but it ain’t democracy andit doesn’t preserve freedom or liberty, it attempts to save lives in the face of doom byestablishing clear lines of authority and areasof critical responsibility. the paranoids wet dream, so to speak..i prefer the “art installation” myself, the onewith the smoke and mirror ball.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:57 am

A Snake Eating Its Own Tailhttp://kunstler.com/blog/2009/06/a-snake-eating-its-own-tail.html#moreI’d like to know what Barack Obama thinks he’s doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can’t pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn’t have very long before his economic problems become really awful political problems.The current mass delusion that will go down in history as the “green shoots fugue” can’t possibly bring the credit freak show back because the credit — i.e. money borrowed from the American future — was swindled away. Something like $14 trillion worth of nominal dollars is being sucked into a cosmic vortex never to be seen again. It was last seen in the spectral forms of so many collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, so-called structured investment vehicles and other now-obvious frauds. That giant sucking sound we hear means the process is still underway, and the “money” disappearing into yawning oblivion will out-pace any effort orchestrated by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury to replace it with new “money” (or credit). Therefore there is no chance between heaven and hell that the pre-2008 suburban homesteading and shopping fiesta can ever come back. The American polity is tapped out in all sectors, personal, corporate, and public.Notice the two words largely absent from whatever public discussion exists around these matters — “swindle” and “fraud.” The reason they’re missing is because if they happened to enter the conversation, something would have to be done about them, namely investigations and prosecutions. The president is the person in the best position to set the terms of this public discussion, and by avoiding these two words he’s blowing the chance to begin the process of correcting the tragic course we’re on.These swindles and frauds range from malfeasance at the highest levels to indecency in the lowliest cubicles — i.e. the collusion of a revolving cast of cabinet-level officials with Wall Street executives to loot the US Treasury, the probable criminal dereliction at the mid-level of agencies like the Federal Reserve’s oversight office and the SEC, to certain and outright street grifting in the traffic of securities known to be worthless at their creation. The current fiction that the public seems to be swallowing (for the moment) is along the lines of the old “mistakes were made” locution, which is an easy way to avoid holding individuals responsible for misdeeds.The competence and hence the legitimacy of the US government is on the line here. The US economic situation is going to get a lot worse. Many more people are going to lose incomes and chattels and will suffer, and the moment will arrive when they will direct their anger outward. They need to be told two things: that the borrowed-against future is now here, requiring very different behavior; and that those who received lavish payment for looting the American future unlawfully will be subject to due process of law. So far, nobody has even been fired, let alone officially investigated.Meanwhile, the nation is lumbering toward an epochal moment of truth when the non-viability of how we get by day-to-day is exposed for all to see, including those other nations who have been lending us colossal sums of their hard-earned money to keep our operations afloat. This will be the moment when the US renounces its debt — or just proves unable to continue pretending to service it. This moment is liable to come sometime after the middle of this summer. It will be the moment when all the green shoots babytalk stops and the scope of onrushing hardship becomes self-evident. It will be the moment when all of America finds itself in something like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government proves comically impotent and the cold reality hits that we’re now all on our own.If it comes to that, I will be sorry to see Barack Obama in the goat-leader role formally occupied by George W. Bush. I voted for Mr. Obama mainly because I thought he had the capacity to tell the public the truth and inspire them to move forward out of childish indulgence into a more rigorous and challenging way of life consistent with the mandates of reality. I’m still not convinced that he’ll fail at this, but time is growing awfully short.The dreadful moment may arrive with the functional bankruptcy of California, which is on-schedule, as it happens, for July. Governor Schwarzenegger, who really seems to have tried introducing fiscal reality out there, and just plain failed, will surely come to the White House begging for a bail-out. It would be hard for President Obama to turn him down, but then forty-nine other governors will line up behind Arnold and everybody in the world will see what a farce our governance has turned into: a snake eating its own tail.

HubbsJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 am

If that ain’t the truth!!!Those who have commercial insurance demand MRI because: they have insurance and have therefore “paid” for it.Those who don’t have commercial insurance but instead have Medicaid demand MRI because they “have insurance,” and we doctors don’t know anything so therefore we have to get MRI to be sure.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 am

They should all be prosecuted… How they did this right under 300 million american noses is beyond belief…Bankster Bailouts Of 2008/9 Exceed Over 200 Years Of Major Government SpendingThe amount of US taxpayer money committed to bailouts over the last 12 months by far exceeds the combined cost of major historical events dating back over 200 years.The combined amount spent, lent, consumed, borrowed, printed, guaranteed, assumed or otherwise committed to bailouts by the government from March 2008 to March 2009 amounts to some $15 TRILLION.To emphasize how much money that is, the producers of the book Bailout Nation, put together the following graphic, which illustrates how almost every large one time expenditure of the US over the last 206 years is a drop in the ocean compared with the current level of spending.• Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion• Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion• Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion• S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion• Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion• The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)• Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion• Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion• NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billionTOTAL: $3.92 trillionThe cost of World War Two, the race to the moon, the New Deal, and the Iraq, Vietnam and Korean wars combined does not come close to the amount spent so far in just 12 months on the bailout of a handful of privately owned offshore corporations.That amounts to $11 TRILLION+ less than the cost of the financial crisis so far.The only event in US history that gets anyway near the current level of spending is World War Two, which originally cost $288 billion, $3.6 trillion according to Bianco’s inflation adjustment figures.That means that the most expansive and encompassing military venture in human history still cost the US taxpayer over four times less, during a six year period, than the “rescue” of a select number of banks and financial institutions did in just one year.If you still cannot imagine how much money we are talking about, watch the following clip which shows you what just $1 TRILLION looks like:

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 am

If GS were the only ones prosecuted and shut down for thierpart in fleecing and screwing 300 Million americans i Would be satisifed.”Suck on Our Yachts”: Goldman Sachs Issues Non-Apology for Destroying the World EconomyBy Matt Taibbi, True/Slant. Posted June 22, 2009.Goldman Sachs chief Lloyd Blankfein says he’s sorry, then proceeds to brag about screwing us all. ToolsAnyone else out there find himself doubled over laughing after reading Goldman, Sachs chief Lloyd Blankfein’s “apology” for his bank’s behavior leading up to the financial crisis? Has an act of contrition ever in history been more worthless and insincere? Even Gary Ridgway did a better job of sounding genuinely sorry at his sentencing hearing — and he was a guy who had sex with dead prostitutes because it was cheaper than paying live ones.Looking at Blankfein’s one-sentence apology, I’m struck in particular by a couple of phrases:While we regret that we participated in the market euphoria…Really, Lloyd? You “participated” in the market euphoria? You didn’t, I don’t know, cause the market euphoria? By almost any measurement, Goldman was a central, leading player in the subprime housing bubble story. Just yesterday I was talking to Guy Cecala at Inside Mortgage Finance, the trade publication that tracks statistics in the mortgage lending industry. He said that at the height of the boom, in 2006, Goldman Sachs underwrote $76.5 billion in mortgage-backed securities, or 7% of the entire market. Of that $76.5 billion, $29.3 billion was subprime, which is bad enough — but another $29.8 billion was what’s called “Alt-A” paper. Alt-A mortgages are characterized, mainly, by crappy documentation and lack of equity: no income verification, no asset verification, little-to-no cash down. So while “only” 38% of the mortgage-backed securities Goldman underwrote were subprime, more than three-fourths of their securities were what is called “non-prime,” ie either subprime or Alt-A. “There’s a lot of crap in there too,” says Cecala.Let’s be clear about what that meant. These crap/sham mortgages, a lot of them adjustable-rate deals with teaser rates that featured sudden rate hikes two or three years after closing, they would never have been possible had not someone devised a method for selling them off to secondary buyers. No local bank is going to keep millions of dollars worth of Alt-A mortgages on its books, because no sensible company lends out money to very risky customers and actually keeps those loans on its balance sheet.So this system depended almost entirely on banks like Goldman finding ways to securitize these instruments, ie chop the mortgages up into little bits, repackage them as mortgage-backed securities like CDOs and CMOs, and sell them to unsuspecting customers on the secondary market, most of them large institutional buyers like pensions and insurance companies and workers’ unions, many of them foreigners. Most of those customers were snookered into buying this stuff because they had no idea what it was: in the case of pensions and unions particularly, a lot of these customers only bought this crap because the peculiar alchemy banks like Goldman used in devising their mortgage-backed securities made radioactive mortgages look like AAA-rated investments. (Or at least they were given these ratings by Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s, ratings agencies that were financially dependent upon the very banks they were supposed to be rating — but that’s another story).So some Dutch teachers’ union that a year before was buying ultra-safe U.S. Treasury bonds in 2006 runs into a Goldman salesman who offers them a different, “just as safe” AAA-rated investment that, at the moment anyway, just happens to be earning a much higher return than treasuries. Next thing you know, a bunch of teachers in Holland are betting their retirement nest eggs on a bunch of meth addicted “homeowners” in Texas and Arizona.This isn’t really commerce, but much more like organized crime: it was a gigantic fraud perpetrated on the economy that wouldn’t have been possible without accomplices in the ratings agencies and regulators willing to turn a blind eye. Imagine a meat company that bred ten billion rats, fattened them on trash and sewage, ground their bodies into chuck, and then sold it all as grade-A ground beef to McDonald’s and Burger King, right under the noses of the USDA: this is exactly the same thing, only with debt instead of food. We’re eating it, they’re counting the money.Any way you slice it, Goldman was responsible for putting tens of billions of toxic mortgages on the market, resulting in mass foreclosures, mass depletion of retirement funds, and a monstrously over-leveraged financial system that we will now all be bailing out for the next half-century or so. All of this so that Goldman could make a few billion bucks acting as the middleman in all of these deadly transactions.Anyway, I was also struck by this phrase:…we are proud of the way our firm managed the risk for our clients…First of all, generally speaking, when one apologizes for having done a bad thing (like for instance destroying the world economy), it is good form to wait at least until the end of the sentence to start bragging again.Second of all, what is particularly obnoxious about this phrase is that Goldman is bragging about the fact that it actually made money while it was pumping the economy full of explosive leverage. While companies like Lehman and Bear were dumb enough to actually eat their own rat meat, Goldman knew what it was doing and was careful to bet against the same stuff it was selling, which makes its behavior many times worse than that of other banks, not better. I get into this more in a Rolling Stone piece coming out next week, but Goldman’s continual bragging about its mortgage hedges is one of the more obnoxious phenomena in the recent history of Wall Street, given that it was selling this shit by the ton during that same period.Beyond that, Goldman’s “risk management” also involved buying massive hedges on its mortgage exposure from…drum roll please… AIG. In fact Goldman was AIGFP’s single largest customer; while the bank was busy flooding the world financial system with doomed mortgages, it was also busy piling bets on the back of the insurance behemoth — $20 billion worth, to be exact. And AIG’s death spiral was triggered not so much by its bets going sour, but by companies like Goldman that demanded that AIG put up cash to show its ability to pay. These collateral calls were what killed AIG last September, and Goldman was one of those creditors pulling the trigger: what makes this fact even more obnoxious is that ex-Goldmanite Henry Paulson then stepped in and green-lighted an $80 billion taxpayer bailout. Ultimately another ex-Goldmanite named Ed Liddy was put in charge of AIG, and Goldman ended up getting paid 100 cents on the dollar for its AIG debt.So basically Goldman helped kill AIG, necessitating a federal bailout, after which time it got paid off handsomely for bets that it certainly would not have been paid off completely for had AIG simply been liquidated. And again, AIG probably does not have a market to sell its CDS insurance to firms like Goldman, if firms like Goldman had not cooked up this insane scheme to underwrite billions upon billions of toxic debt and sell it off to secondary buyers as safe investments. Moreover AIG would not have even had this business of selling CDS insurance had not a bunch of ex-Goldman guys, in particular Bob Rubin, quietly pushed to deregulate the derivatives market back at the end of the Clinton administration.So when Goldman says it is proud that it “managed the risk” for its clients, what it’s really saying is, “We’re proud that we kept the extreme crapness of our mortgage securities secret from everyone but our clients, and fobbed off the nightmare leverage they created on dumbass AIG and all the pensioners and teachers and other idiots who bought this stuff. Go fuck yourselves and suck on our yachts.”There’s a much larger story about all of this coming out in the magazine next week, but in the meantime… hey, Lloyd, thanks for the apology. It makes us all feel a lot better.http://www.alternet.org/workplace/140806/%22suck_on_our_yachts%22%3A_goldman_sachs_issues_non-apology_for_destroying_the_world_economy/?page=entire

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am

NO JOBS! Obamas says “we hope to create somejobs”… WTF… and “we guessed on unemployment” Folks they have no clue what is going on and when Obama is being guided by the Banksters hand picked Cabinet memebers like Timmy, Benny, Larry this is what we get, a president who hopes and guesses and then is left out there alone to explain what happened….I have said all along Obama is not very smart and this type of stuff just confirms it… If people are counting on Obama to fix anything you will be sorely dissapointed… The one thing he could do is wipe all the idiots that have set him up to look like an idiot. then i would say Game On for Obama.Recovery’s Missing Ingredient: New JobsExperts Warn of A Long Dry SpellDespite signs that the recession gripping the nation’s economy may be easing, the unemployment rate is projected to continue rising for another year before topping out in double digits, a prospect that threatens to slow growth, increase poverty and further complicate the Obama administration’s message of optimism about the economic outlook.The likelihood of severe unemployment extending into the 2010 midterm elections and beyond poses a significant political hurdle to President Obama and congressional Democrats, who are already under fire for what critics label profligate spending. Continuing high unemployment rates would undercut the fundamental argument behind much of that spending: the promise that it will create new jobs and improve the prospects of working Americans, which Obama has called the ultimate measure of a healthy economy.”Our hope would be to actually create some jobs this year,” Obama said in an interview with The Washington Post in the days before taking office.Obama has defended his economic approach — which includes the $787 billion economic stimulus plan and record investments in health care, alternative energy, education and job training — as necessary to stabilize the shaky economy and point the way to job growth.So far, the White House has counseled patience even as the political debate surrounding its economic policies grows more urgent. Officials point out that job growth will not come until robust economic expansion takes hold, which they expect will happen as stimulus funding works its way through the economy. Still, the flagging job market is likely to stir calls for further stimulus efforts as polls show voters growing increasingly wary of federal spending in the wake of a costly series of financial- and auto-industry bailouts and amid current efforts to expand health-care coverage to the uninsured, which is estimated to cost at least $1 trillion over the next decade.With many forecasters projecting unemployment to remain above 10 percent next year and not return to pre-recession levels of roughly 5 percent for years after that, Obama is likely to be confronted with defending the effectiveness of his economic policies as the nation endures its worst employment situation in a generation.Analysts say the high levels of joblessness would be accompanied by increases in child poverty, strained government budgets, and black and Latino unemployment rates approaching 20 percent.”I find it unfathomable that people are not horrified about what is going to happen,” said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute. “I regard all this talk about how the recession is maybe going to end, all the talk about deficits and inflation, to be the equivalent of telling Americans, ‘You are just going to have to tough it out.’ But we’re looking at persistent unemployment that is going to be extraordinarily damaging to many communities. There is a ton of pain in the pipeline.”Christina Romer, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, said that while the president is “very concerned” about the unemployment forecasts, the White House has assumed “a posture of watchful waiting,” adding: “There will be big increases in stimulus spending in the fall and early next year. We have to wait to see what happens with that. If you get to the end of this year or early next year and employment is still limping back, then we have to do some serious thinking about whether there might be special problems in the labor market that require targeted interventions.”Before passage of the stimulus bill, the Obama administration had predicted that unemployment would peak at 8 percent before beginning to abate this fall. But unemployment has already reached 9.4 percent, the highest level in a quarter-century, and the situation is not projected to start improving until long after the White House had predicted.Many economists agree that the job market would be in much worse shape had the stimulus package not been enacted. And some say more stimulus measures may be needed, even as the federal government grapples with a huge budget deficit.”There is a good economic argument to be made that the government has not done enough stimulus,” said Niko Karvounis, a policy analyst at the New America Foundation who recently wrote a report warning that the economic recovery is likely to be tepid and accompanied by unusually high unemployment.But with polls showing increasing public opposition to government spending and with no significant constituency mobilized to push for more government investment in jobs, the political prospects for any further stimulus legislation seem slim. Meanwhile, the continued rise in unemployment is creating an opening for Republican critics, who have criticized the level of spending Obama has pursued to try to fix the economy.”They even predicted that if we passed it quickly, unemployment wouldn’t go higher than 8 percent. Well, here we are just a few months later and the unemployment rate is approaching 10 percent,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). “The administration admits that their earlier predictions were a guess — and that they guessed wrong.”Obama tersely acknowledged in an interview with Bloomberg Television last week that unemployment is likely to peak above 10 percent. That prediction is in line with a growing number of respected economic forecasts, including those of private economists and the Congressional Budget Office, which projects that the unemployment rate will continue to rise into the second half of next year.”Unemployment won’t peak until this time next year, and then it will remain very high through next year,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com. “It won’t get back to full employment until 2013 or 2014. This really speaks to the severity of the job losses that have been absorbed by the economy. They were massive.”Since the recession took hold in December 2007, the U.S. economy has lost 5.7 million jobs, a rapid decline that caught administration and other economists off guard. In recent months, the velocity of job losses has slowed substantially, which, combined with a rising stock market and increases in consumer spending, has offered hope that a recovery is beginning to take hold.But employers still cut 345,000 jobs last month, while the nation’s growing working-age population requires the job market to expand by 125,000 to 150,000 a month just to keep the unemployment rate stable.The dynamics of the modern economy further dim the employment picture. Job growth was weak for years after the past two recessions, in 1991 and 2001. Employers have grown increasingly slow to rehire workers, and steady advances in technology have allowed businesses to do more with fewer workers.While the recession has touched workers across the spectrum, “many of the job losses are in manufacturing and construction, affecting less-educated workers and immigrants,” Zandi said. “It is going to be hard for them to find their way back into the workforce quickly.”Meanwhile, the current recession has been characterized by the implosion of the housing market and the near collapse of the financial sector and automobile industry. Despite huge federal interventions, many of the jobs in those industries are gone for good.High unemployment also does not bode well for consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the nation’s economic activity, putting further pressure on the job market.”We have not seen the highest unemployment rate, and this is going to go on for a long time,” Mishel said. “The political conversation seems to be that we have already dealt with the recession. But we need to have a conversation about how we are going to get to the other side, where employment is growing again.”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101859.html

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 am

What one realizes as you read that article that there is no difference in control of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and Goldman Sachs.By there public statements, Treasury, Federal Reserve, and Goldman Sachs are a team that, from time-to-time, coordinate their actions in support of the political needs of the current administration.We are living in an economic fantasy land.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 am

MM CA: Obama is being guided by the Banksters hand picked Cabinet memebers like Timmy, Benny, Larry this is what we get, a president who hopes and guesses and then is left out there alone to explain what happened….What if the reverse is true. Theses guys had convinced Obama that they can make the markets do whatever “needs to be done.” Now that Obama bit the poison apple, he is now one of them and he has to play along or destroy his political career.

SoftwarengineerJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 am

SOUNDS LIKE VP BIDEN AGREES WITH YOUHe stated yesterday that they “guessed wrong” on the $787B stimulus keeping unemployment checked.Its scary when we spend a trillion dollars based on a “flip of the coin” outcome, that apparently can easily fail.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

The CEO of GS is doing a great job of securing a financial fortune for himself, by ensuring the Board of Directors and his gov cronies are “taken care of” financially. This is how you “generate” big time wealth in the U.S. Under these unwritten rules of the game, Lloyd gets an “A+”. He’s the smartest wealth generator in the game. Oh, don’t bother me with morality play and ethics. It took much more than Lloyd to create the system to allow such massive leverage play. Should he, and others like him go to jail? Go luck with that! The attorney bars would like to see you try sending him there. Big bucks for them, and fun to boot (publicity / arrogance. Essentially, we (common folk) are at the mercy of the U.S. ruling class. Obama is way over his head (as would almost anyone) on this. The errosion of trust in government and wall street bankers is begining in earnest soon. In this day and age, you can’t pull the wool over the sheepoles eyes like you could in the past. Mass communications and idea sharing is here to stay. If only they could clamp down on communication and control what info is flowing to the public, ala Iran’s and China’s government.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Headline from Nov 22, 2009 Wall street Journal”Obama signs 1.3 Trillion Second Stimuls Bill”Says that this time around unemployment projection numbers are more accurate. By creating 4.5 million jobs with this Stimulus, we do not expect unemployment to go higher than 14.5%. Sometime in late 2010 we will have reached our peak unemployment number of 14.5%. We expect unemploymnet to decline to 12% in 2011.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm

NO JOBS- Mass layoff notices increased in May… most to occur in June and july. Remember this is larger companies… Small buisness layoffs have a higher impact…Read the rest at link below:http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/mmls.pdfFor release: 10:00 A.M. (EDT)Media contact: (202) 691-5902 Tuesday, June 23, 2009MASS LAYOFFS IN MAY 2009Employers took 2,933 mass layoff actions in May that resulted in the separation of 312,880workers, seasonally adjusted, as measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits duringthe month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Each actioninvolved at least 50 persons from a single employer. The number of mass layoff events in May increasedby 221 from the prior month, and the number of associated initial claims increased by 41,654.Over the year, the number of mass layoff events increased by 1,232 and associated initial claims increasedby 132,322. Initial claims rose to its highest level on record, while events matched the peaklevel from March 2009, with data available back to 1995. In May, 1,331 mass layoff events were reportedin the manufacturing sector, seasonally adjusted, resulting in 165,802 initial claims. Over theyear, manufacturing events and initial claims more than doubled. (See table 1.)

SoftwarengineerJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm

EVEN YAHOO TECH TICKER IS USING THE “D” WORD FOR OUR ECONOMIC MESS NOWThe article in part:”…The talk was all about rising yields, soaring commodities, a weakening dollar, and how to drain liquidity when the time came. Would the Fed be able to stick the landing? Could we tolerate a little bit of inflation if it meant not cutting the recovery short?What a difference a week makes. Here comes the D-word again.With the rally sputtering, and the economy showing few meaningful signs of recovery, suddenly the market is back to its old fears.Oil has moved sharply lower, and gold, which just a couple of weeks ago was knocking on $1000 now looks set to break below $900, to the eternal disappointment of its fans. Sure, gas prices have bounced back, but still, the CPI showed its biggest drop in 50 years last week….”The rest of the URL:http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/268445/Deflation-It's-Back?tickers=%5Edji,%5Egspc,%5EIXIC?sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=

Joe12PackJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:14 pm

@MM CA re: insane health care premiums…Did you happen to look into individual/family plans purchased directly from an insurer as an alternative to your employer ‘sponsored’ plan?If so, were the premiums just as high?Just curious

MorbidJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm

There is more than one way to preside over a global HOLOCAUST. Poison gas is one. Nuclear war would be another. Bidding up commodities also works. The pillaging of the criminal elite still another.How do people who do this sleep at night?

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:37 pm

no not as high and depends on decductibels. when you get to 5000 deductibles it gets very cheap actually… Aetna, BC, kaiser, all of them. the problem is getting accepted with private insurance. LOL- they only want healthy people and low risk, liek children, young adults. you lsit one risk factor and odds of getting accepted are low. It’s one big scam with private insurance also. it is somewhat easier if you currently have insurance to purchase a private plan. State laws govern acceptance… but in anutshell for what I’m paying and my employer is paying on our behalf- probably close to 40K total for us, it is definately cheaper to get your own these days. Companies and employees who have comapny insurance are subsidizing thsoe that dont and private insurance is bascially just for low risk and healthy people.and if Health insurance is not fixed in this country and the trillions in Govt obligations with medicaid is not addressed and overall insurance costs are not brought down, this economy will not recover for decades…the economic mess we are in now is childs play and nothing compared to what we face in 5, 10 years if health care is not fixed. bad mortgages, foreclosures, bad banks, low stock market is all minor compared to thsi issue.

MorbidJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm

My son-in-law who held a high level position at Kaiser just lost his job. He is in shock. The one segment that was supposed to bloom is now shedding jobs! His wife still has her job – but for how long. Soon to be living with us retired folks it seems. He was in charge of computerizing the medical records. So much for squeezing out inefficiency.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

NO JOBS – possibly worse than even I have been saying:”He calculates that the real unemployment rate in the country last month was not 9.3%, which is the figure that was reported, but rather closer to an alarming 16.8%. By that measure, more than 30 million people are effectively out of work. That’s nearly one-fifth of the labor force.”http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/22/obama-recession-recovery-opinions-columnists-green-shoots.htmlWhy The Left Is Questioning Its HeroJoel Kotkin, 06.23.09, 12:01 AM EDTWhat if the “green shoots” of economic recovery turn out to be crabgrass instead?Much has been made by the national media and the markets about the emergence from our desiccated economic soil of what President Obama has called “green shoots.” But although the economy may already be slowly regenerating (largely due to its natural resiliency), we need to question whether these fledglings will grow into healthy plants or a crop of crabgrass.The political right has made many negative assessments of the president’s approach, decrying the administration’s huge jump in deficit spending and penchant for ever more expansive regulatory control of the economy. Polling data by both The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal shows some growing unease about both the expanding federal role in the economy and the growing mountain of debt.BuzzBut this conservative critique, which includes sometimes shrill accusations of nascent “socialism,” isn’t the most important counter to Obamanomics. Perhaps more on point–and politically risky for the administration–are criticisms coming from his supposed bedfellows further to the left.One recent example comes from a new report issued my old colleagues at the liberal-leaning New America Foundation called “Not Out of the Woods: A Report on the Jobless Recovery Underway.” It amounts to a blistering, if largely unintentional, critique of the administration’s policies, providing a sobering antidote to manufactured euphoria peddled by both presidential spin-meisters and some Wall Streeters.The report baldly assets that the president’s programs are simply not sufficient to make up for a “huge job creation deficit” that is getting worse by the day. It estimates the country needs to generate 125,000 or more new jobs a month just to keep pace with population growth–something few see happening for at least several years.Even with little immediate hope for such employment gains, the report does cite government and private-sector projections of upward of 10% unemployment well into next year. More worrisome still, the authors assert that the administration’s current program is unlikely to create a return to a “normal” level of joblessness–to between 4% and 5%–until after the president’s first term.New America report then goes on to make some even scarier observations. It claims unemployment rates are far higher in reality than official statistics reveal, citing calculations by Chairman of New America’s Economic Growth Program Leo Hindery of what they call “effective unemployment.” This also includes the millions now working part-time but seeking “full-time and productive work.”Hindery is no conservative. He was an adviser to John Edwards and, more recently, to the president himself. Yet his prognosis is grimmer than the ones offered by most right-wingers. He calculates that the real unemployment rate in the country last month was not 9.3%, which is the figure that was reported, but rather closer to an alarming 16.8%. By that measure, more than 30 million people are effectively out of work. That’s nearly one-fifth of the labor force.Given current economic policies, the report suggests, we can expect “a six-year recovery for what has been to date only a year-and-a-half recession.” Hiring by government and green industries are clearly not going to make up for the massive losses in productive sectors like manufacturing, business services, energy and agriculture.Against this grim background, the president’s program seems inadequate and even chimerical. To be sure, the massive bailout of institutions such as the big banks–as well as Chrysler and General Motors ( GMGMQ.PK – news – people )–has provided some reassurance to Wall Street that paper assets may continue their recent upward climb.Yet that will do precious little to make a dent in unemployment elsewhere in the economy. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, chief economic guru Larry Summers and others might see “green shoots” for investors, but those could turn out to be more like crabgrass for the rest of us.In fact, finance is surviving the recession remarkably unscathed. Just compare the numbers. Since 2007, manufacturing (and other blue-collar-dominated sectors) lost 13% of its employment, while construction payrolls have plunged over 16%. Meanwhile, finance, the industry arguably most responsible for the economic meltdown, has dropped a mere 5% of its jobs. Today unemployment in the financial sector stands at less than 5%, compared with nearly 20% in construction and over 12% for manufacturing.So as hundreds of thousands of construction and factory workers are being sacrificed, many grandees of finance–like top executives of Bank of America ( BAC – news – people ) and Citigroup ( C – news – people )–remain in their plush perches. Even proven financial demolition experts like Mark Walsh, who led Lehman Brothers’ ( LEHMQ – news – people ) disastrous march into toxic properties, are now being paid to clean up the mess they so brilliantly created.No wonder some factions of the left are becoming uneasy with their hero. Some privately admit that the administration–despite its pro-middle class rhetoric–has adopted an economic program that makes Ronald Reagan seem like the voxpopuli. One wonders how they will react later this year, when continued high unemployment meets massive, perhaps even record, Wall Street bonuses.This state of affairs, as the New America report correctly suggests, does not lead us down a path toward “a strong and sustained recovery.” Clearly, we need something more. For one thing, the country needs to reassert its ability to produce more of what it consumes. (See Joel Kotkin’s earlier column, “We Must Remember Manufacturing.”)Others on the left are also making this point, perhaps none more effectively than an article in the Nation called “The Case for Kenosha.” The piece, in short, skewers the Obama administration’s manhandling the auto industry and manufacturing sectors. It accuses Obama of taking the old industrial belt on a “wild ride” that will lead to more plant shutdowns and increased outsourcing to foreign factories. “With ‘fixes’ like these,” the article states, “it’s hard to imagine how Obama plans to fulfill his campaign promise to ‘revive and strengthen all of American manufacturing.’”This is not to say that the entire left side of the political spectrum opposes the administration’s economic policy. There is now more than one left in this country, and the gaps between these lefts are every bit as wide as those between, say, small-government libertarians, social conservatives and messianic global interventionists.To date, the administration has listed toward the agenda of what may be best described as the left’s gentry wing. These include activists at universities, urban planners and liberal nonprofits, many of whom see in Obama’s pro-green policies and multicultural agenda the fulfillment of their long-time fantasies.This, at times, puts them at odds with large parts of the middle- and working-class base of the Democratic Party. The administration’s plans to”coerce” people out of their cars for the alleged good of the environment probably does not offer much “hope” for those working at auto plants. Highly dependent as they are on stocks and asset inflation for their income, the gentry are not likely to object to the administration’s coddling of large financial institutions.Then there is the party’s populist contingent, whose inspiration comes more from FDR and Harry Truman than from the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi. They are less likely to see much of a difference between a Timothy Geithner or a Hank Paulson. To them, the two Treasury secretaries have both been useful servants for the nation’s “economic royalists.”Of course, most conservatives might despair over the populists’ tendency to embrace statist solutions to our economic problems. But would-be inheritors of the Reaganite mantle should at least sympathize with their goal to restore broad-based upward mobility and close-to-full employment. Indeed, if the Republican Party figures out how to take command of the issues like job creation and social mobility, they could even become relevant once again.Right now, though, critiques from the left may be more effective than yammering from the still-clueless right. The president knows that talk of green shoots makes people and markets feel better. But unless those shoots show some staying power, the long-term economic consequences–and ultimately political ones, too, for the president and his party–could prove unwelcome indeed.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

Nice article with excellent data points: whole thing at link below… Debt and GDP- whos going to pay for all the debt?http://marketoracle.co.uk/Article11485.htmlthis kind of tells the story about future Jobs:”I think it is fair to say that any financially ill-prepared baby-boomers are going to have a somewhat difficult time of it and should practice their Wal-Mart and McDonald’s greetings.”How Much Further to Go in the Deleveraging Cycle?1. Overall Debt – Clearly excessive debt is one of the core issues at the heart of the current malaise so it is here that we must start. When looking at the question of deleveraging, one needs to consider a number of different dimensions, including the state of the banking and financial systems themselves, the state of the asset markets, the overall level of debt in the economy as well as the level of indebtedness of the various actors in the economy.I think it worthwhile if we start at the macro level and work down from there. A key indicator of the status of deleveraging refers to the overall level of debt in the economy as measured by total credit market debt. A graph prepared by Ned Davis Research shows that Total Credit Market Debt for the US stood at $49 trillion as at February 2009, which was a record 350% of US GDP. And these figures don’t include the forthcoming budget deficits or the massive level of unfunded liabilities in the US, which some put as high as another $49 trillion. Adding unfunded liabilities to total credit market debt puts the debt to GDP ratio at a staggering 700% of GDP.Not only is the current ratio of 350% the highest on record but it far surpasses the peak of 300% that was reached in 1929. In the aftermath of the Great Depression total credit market debt declined over the following two decades to reach a low of 130% in the mid-1950s.Some quick calculations show that based on a modest savings rate of 4% and real GDP growth of 3% pa, zero interest payments and the assumption that no more debt is created (which is unlikely given the Federal Government’s proclivity to spend), it would take until about the year 2026 to get back to a more sustainable debt to GDP ratio of say 150%. At a savings rate of 8% pa then you could get to the same level by about 2022.When one includes unfunded liabilities, based on the above criteria it would take until 2030 just to get back to the current historically high rate of 350%.Therefore based on the current trajectory of debt creation and without some rather radical changes in policy it appears that the US is not only looming as a basket case but will be unable to fund its way moving forward. As the saying goes: “Where GM goes so does the US”. Can anybody say Chapter 11? I think it is fair to say that any financially ill-prepared baby-boomers are going to have a somewhat difficult time of it and should practice their Wal-Mart and McDonald’s greetings.Analysis by Morgan Stanley highlights that the composition of this debt has also changed since the 1930s, with the household’s proportion of total debt increasing from 18% to 27% whilst corporate debt has declined from 51% to 22%. Government and financial debt has also increased significantly over that time. This suggests that consumer deleveraging will be of paramount importance in any sustainable recovery in the US and elsewhere.And the US is not the only nation up to its eye-balls in debt. Recent figures highlight that Ireland has $1.8 Tn in debt vis-à-vis GDP of $200 Bn (900% ratio), the UK has $10.5 Tn debt against GDP of $2.3 Tn (456%) whilst conservative Switzerland has a debt of $1.3 Tn versus GDP of $300 Bn (433%). Iceland is broke and on IMF life support. And in a recent newsletter John Mauldin stated that Eastern Europe has borrowed an estimated $1.7 trillion, primarily from Western European banks. And with Eastern European home buyers entering their own form of carry trade by borrowing in Swiss francs, they are suffering as their own currencies decline by as much as 50% against the franc.These are indeed scary figures and it raises the question: Can all of these debts ever be repaid? Based on current policy settings by governments and central banks alike, I think the answer is a definitive “No”, at least not without destroying the world’s fiat currencies, massive write-downs and / or repudiation of debt. What it will require is a shift back towards governments and central banks encouraging savings rather than debt, and more fiscal responsibility on the part of governments. Green shoots or Indian Summer? Which ever it is it will take more than a couple of years downturn to resolve.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm

It’s all an elaborately crafted illusion meant to deceive the masses, we will be called the Obama nation of desolation before too long and Obama who the world thought would be a savior will be looked upon as the antichrist. The question is- who will appear out of the chaos to lead the world to true recovery?????

PeteCAJune 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm

Gotta’ tell you folks – I think there’s a real business brewing for countries like Costa Rica. They should promote medical tourism in a big way. They are close enough to the USA that people can fly down there fairly conveniently. If standard medical procedures cost roughly 50% of what they do in America, it’s a paying proposition for folks. And to top it off, people can get a few days stay in a really nice resort, or go fishing and travelling in pretty scenery. This is a WIN-WIN for Costa Rica.PeteCA

PeteCAJune 23rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm

No question that we’re going to go over 10% unemployment on the official figures. I said a year ago on this blog that I thought the published data on US unemployment would go to double digits. It’s a time bomb effect. People can only keep those mortgage payments and credit card payments going for so long.PeteCA

SoftwarengineerJune 23rd, 2009 at 3:18 pm

GOOD ONE MM CAPerhaps the new stimulus bill would be more simplified, no promises of job creation to be embarrassed about in the future….perhaps just a blank check unemployment extention?

SoftwarengineerJune 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm

JOBS ARE THE KEY INGREDIENT TO BOTTOMING OUTI just don’t believe [call me negative] that some creative American is going to quickly come up with a new industrial base idea to put the unemployed back to work in a few years, when all the real manufacturing base, we could used, has been shipped overseas.Besides, even if you had a remote chance of implementing a revolutionary invention to replace an existing global tooling method and hence, banrupting that sector; would they let us do it?It seems globalism is like a trapped rat snarling at America, with sharp teeth, “don’t you dare replace me”.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm

dont count gold out yet, still above uptrend support. tomorrow FOMC will kill dollar to lend support for commodity rally.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 pm

hardly any fear on the street when shorts/bears still hiding. they should have brought bull down, but they didnt. so bull still in control. FOMC, helicopter Ben will crucify shorts/bears.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm

and if stupid china decide to support $USD, they will import tremendous inflation into their country, then they will face tremendous pain. plus impossible for them to pull off while obama and FED print like there is no tomorrow.

11BravoJune 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm

As a small business owner, and one that has for over 30 years tried to take care of his employees, I have dreaded the month of May for about the past 6 or 7 years. May is when our annual insurance plan rolls over.Every year, our current carrier (the company seems to be immaterial, as the game works the same regardless) gives us the new rate schedule. Invariably, it will be 15-20% higher. This causes us to scurry around for bids and seek a new carrier, which we always do. To contain costs, we started raising the deductibles years ago. Then, we went to Medical Savings Accounts, which morphed into Health Savings Accounts. We have stayed in the game by giving up the dental coverage and eyeglass coverage and now have just major medical, but the increases over the past 2 years are truly frightening.We used to laugh and wonder just what these companies were thinking when they raised rates and sent us over to a competitor, but now I believe I understand their game. You see, they are just waiting for someone in our small group to have a problem severe enough to cause the competition to reject us. Once this happens, we are locked in with them. We will have to accept any rates they offer if we want to remain covered, and then they can do as they please.We need health care reform in America. Too bad we gave all our money to the financial industry.Obama is in way over his head. His Chicago mafia is all about looting the Treasury…just like the Bush administration.Independent Contractor

funnyboneJune 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm

President of China Hu Jintao would make short order of Moe, Larry and Curly; I mean Ben, Larry and Timmy.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 pm

what is 30 million on 135,000,000 working americans? by my math thats about a little more than 1/5th, closer to 1/4. depends on what starting number is used. estimates range from 132M to 135M employed. either way if there s 30 million basically out of work or in part time and minimum wage jobs that is HORRIFIC. Hope we are not discussing 40 million next year.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

MM_CA said …”Just went through annual enrollment for wife and I. Our contributuons to our employer based health care coverage is now:our contributions cost:Our contributionsMedical $330.00 26 $8,580.00Medical $399.00 26 $10,374.00Medical $729.00 $18,954.00Dental $36.00 26 $936.00Dental $32.00 26 $832.00Dental $68.00 $1,768.00Total $20,722.00Company costsMedical $290.00 26 $7,540.00Medical $340.00 26 $8,840.00Medical $630.00 $16,380.00Dental $48.00 26 $1,248.00Dental $44.00 26 $1,144.00Dental $92.00 $2,392.00Total $18,772.00total costs $39,494.00she works as RN for one of the top Bay area hospitals and hers is higher. i work for a fortune 60. based on mine employee dedcutions and the actual cost of the paln for the compnay i am now paying over 50% of the cost. i estimated her rates that her hospital pays on her behalf. What a disaster..Maybe you can share the rates your small business is paying?

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm

and knock on wood we are healthy and nothing more than once a year doctors visit or so…. in fact i have been to doctor about 5 times in 30 years, worst was knee scope 10 years ago…

kilgoresJune 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm

Reagan’s numbers dropped in 1982, but recovered by 1984. Voters typically only focus on the last 12 months when they go to the polls in a presidential election.SWK

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm

Unbeleivable… the one area Obama has stressed to lower costs… Kaiser is a for profit company and its not in thier best interests to play along with Obama…

MichelleJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:12 pm

I feel very fortunate that I only pay $6 total (not a typo) a month for myself, my spouse, and 4 dependents. $500 annual family deductible, 90% medical (max $1000 out-of-pocket, 50% optical, 70% dental, and even orthodontic coverage. Not one single person I know of has this type of coverage, but it used to be standard years ago.So will Obama’s healthcare plan start taxing me on my benefits? How will salary administration changes occur in order to compensate me for these increased taxes? What a disaster for employees and employers alike.Sidebar, I received a bill from the hospital for my daughter’s second eye surgery this morning. Same type of surgery performed three years earlier, outpatient, no problems. 300% increase! Changes need to happen, and soon.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:17 pm

> looked upon as the antichristAs in 666 ?Been wondering a lot lately what things are going to be like on 12/12/2012.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm

費爾普斯( Edmund Phelps)論美國經濟•需 15年才能重建金融海嘯下損失的財富•未來 3至 5年失業率維持 7%•無捷徑可快速扭轉困局,企業及家庭均需重新調整資產負債

MorbidJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm

Check out the following book title if you would like a deeper understand of the number 666.Archetype of the Apocalypse – you can find it at Amazon.com It goes through the meaning of the symbolism found in the Book of Revelation.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm

and what coverage is that and what type of employer… my company emloys 135K people and that is what we pay for benefits…

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm

by 2012 when the next election rolls around the ways things are going we will be in full blown deficit ridden depression and good luck to Obama trying to get elected with that occuring… might be the time we truly see some idependent with a chance to win instead of these idiotic and corrput Republicans and Democrats…

amacflyJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

I’ve heard just as many horror stories about people who have had terrible things happen to them in the American medical system, there is no fail safe when it comes to medicine, and money doesn’t buy you certainties.

MichelleJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pm

Small employer with under 100 employees and self-insured with only a stop-loss policy for the largest claims.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm

Michele- I’ve heard about those small buisness stop loss policies… can you explain a little more about it? how much do you think it costs your employer to carry that coverage, either for all 100 or for each employee… I know there are plans as small as 5 employees that can be fairly inexpensive as long as it is a legitmate bsuiness. Depending on the costs which i dont know at this time i wonder why the potential big difference in costs?

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 pm

sort of – i feel a second stimulus coming later this year and i hope the unelpoyment numbers dont get as bad a s i wrote. but with consumption and productivity falling off a cliff i woudl not rule out much higher unelpoyment. see below as an example of what is happening in consumption and production… and this is the supposedly insulate High tech industry…The global PC market took one of its largest sales plunges ever in Q1 2009, according to iSuppli. Total units shipped fell 8.1% year-over-over and were down 14.1% from Q4 2008, the largest dips in the seven years that iSuppli has been tracking PC shipments.The heaviest anchor in the market was desktop sales, down 23% year-over-over, and that is most likely tied to corporate buyers. Businesses and IT departments are simply not buying many new computers for their workers. They are stretching out the life of existing machines, and some are likely using extra machines from laid off workers to replace any malfunctioning PCs rather buying new systems.Matthew Wilkins, iSuppli analyst, said “The worldwide recession sparked by the credit crisis slammed PC shipments for the second quarter in succession during the first three months of 2009. The first-quarter performance of the worldwide PC market was worse than iSuppli had expected in its prior forecast, which called for a 4 percent decline in shipments compared to the same period in 2008. After a long period of immunity to the global downturn, the economic crisis finally has begun to impact the PC market.”

amacflyJune 23rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm

Well, now come on, lets not be too judgemental here, remember GS is owned too. The Rothchilds, Rockerfellers, Schiffs, Morgans, Warburgs own us all. They GS kids are just employees, you know, like the Gestapo, the the SS, they are just following orders in a well mapped out plan. Don’t think this was an accident, it was a well engineered and executed land grab, and by enlarge America has let them get away with it – again.Of yes, and did you hear our wonderful bought and paid for President today, we need to give the Fed more power – wonderful!

MichelleJune 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm

Only people without a conscience can sleep at night and lives in a society that allows it.

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

pjb.if an australian dollar exchanges for about .8 u.s. dollaris it possible that an australian hour is more likea month or two elsewhere? why is your telco trying to destroyyou? like here, i guess, it is all they know…EVANK on 28 July 2007 – 12:34 )You think your broadband provider is expensive, try $3,355 per month for a 1.5Mbps DSL connection. Welcome to the internet in Kazakhstan. cheap! ?

Guest :-=-_-=-:June 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pm

pjb.if an australian dollar exchanges for about .8 u.s. dollaris it possible that an australian hour is more likea month or two elsewhere? why is your telco trying to destroyyou? like here, i guess, it is all they know…EVANK on 28 July 2007 – 12:34 )You think your broadband provider is expensive, try $3,355 per month for a 1.5Mbps DSL connection. Welcome to the internet in Kazakhstan. cheap! ?

MichelleJune 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

MM,The stop-loss policy premium we purchase is using the specific deductible method rather than the aggregate deductible method. The difference is probably obvious, that the specific method must meet a threshold for each individual (set by us and is currently $50k annually) before the stop-loss policy triggers and begins paying the claims. Alternatively, the aggregate is the threshold set for the organization as a whole of which we don’t purchase. Currently the monthly premium is approximately $2300.I was confused by reading some of the various posts regarding what you’re paying for premiums. Is it the ungodly number of $40k or the ridiculously low $72?

FEDupJune 23rd, 2009 at 10:15 pm

WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON AND WHY?For 20+ years now a shift in the US from a manufacturing to a service economy with decreasing job creation and lower wages except for those at the top all sold to the American public under the guise that globalization will improve all American’s standard of living. This has simply been a ruse to force the average American’s wage lower by allowing virtually unregulated immigration, work visas and choosing to hire workers in India and other countries over Americans. This has been very rewarding to the largest corporations which began in the US with US workers and are now worldwide powerhouses. But the primary reason for these policies has and always will be to maximize profits for the financial services industry. As clearly demonstrated by this current financial crises, they will constantly seek new ways to increase leverage and circumvent regulations as increasing profits are the only goal even if it means the entire US becomes a 3rd world country. This is why the devastation in foreclosures and jobs have not yet been dealt with: it’s simply not a priority compared to recapitalizing the banks so that they can continue global operations. But there’s more to it than that: the entire capitalistic system has been hijacked by the financial elites to use every legal and illegal means of capturing and controlling the rest of us (individuals and countries) through DEBT with the US government supporting their actions with unlimited amounts of cash at terms only the rest of us could fantasize about. It’s amazing how we have been brainwashed into believing that there is NEVER enough money for infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc but when it comes to war or bailing out the financial system, there is virtually unlimited money under the guise of TBTF. In one year (since 2008) we have either loaned, guaranteed or spent over 3x the amount of money as was spent for the entire history of our country including all the wars, weapons, etc! While perpetual wars have always been great for business, insatiable greed drives these financiers to new levels of exploitation and the cycle simply repeats itself replacing one bubble with another ad infinitum. What’s the most effective way to break this cycle? That is the question left to us and only us as our leaders have clearly demonstrated, they have no intention of doing it on their own.

kilgoresJune 23rd, 2009 at 10:51 pm

Interesting post, although I note that the Marshall Plan was post-WWII, and you didn’t have an inflation-adjusted figure for WWII. Do you have any idea of what that would be?SWK

ChignosJune 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 pm

The idea that computerizing medical records leads to either efficiency or reduced medical cost is …………..pie in the sky. Or, if I were less charitable, I would say that the politically correct insist on the computerized medical record because they support the financial boon for the computer industry knowing it’s a financial boondoggle for the patient and the taxpayer.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:02 pm

wow…things are really bad in US of A…I doubt whether housewifes in other industrialized countries get their food from dumpsters?Trash: It’s what’s for dinnerhttp://www.ocregister.com/articles/food-dumpster-diving-2470072-divers-county

OC students and housewives are among the growing numbers of people combing dumpsters for food and furniture.Pushing aside a large white plastic skeleton wrapped in cellophane, Grace Hill-Speed scales the side of a green metal dumpster, jumps in and begins scrounging beneath packages of mushroom brie for other edible food.Warned by her dumpster diving partner to watch out for maggots beneath her right foot, the petite blonde woman pulls three apples out of the trash, notices an odd smell and shudders.”OK, I am done,” she says slinging one leg over the bin. “I am just doing this now because I am addicted to dumpster diving.”Hill-Speed and her fellow diver, Eric Einem, survey their loot: several packages of cheese, a pound of butter and a half-dozen apples. They carry them back to their truck, already laden with boxes of tangerines, shrink-wrapped meat, flour, cookies, pecans and granola – a week’s worth of groceries pulled from the refuse of two local supermarkets.

ChignosJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:03 pm

Some here seem to understand the power of free markets, but some here get all wobbly and squishy when it comes to applying the obvious free market solution to the expense of health care. Outlaw health insurance. Get the government out of the system. After the initial shock, prices would bottom immediately. Believe me, doctors know how to recognize reality. Absent some kind of serious initiative to get rid of health insurance, you can count on continuing to bitch about the health care system the rest of your lives, regardless of what the Democrats can get done now or in the future.

MichelleJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 pm

Torches and pitchforks? Grind these leaders into chum and use them for shark bait?VOTES, TERM LIMITS, FREEDOM OF SPEECH (and using it effectively). We currently have the RIGHTS, we just need to WAKE UP THE MASSES and begin enforcing them before these rights are craftily swept away.

MichelleJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 pm

Chignos said: Believe me, doctors know how to recognize reality.The reality, my friend, is even after complaining to my doctor about the 300% increase in hospital costs for my daughter’s surgery, she hardly blinked. She explained and justified why she uses that particular hospital, all in the name of excellent patient care. Had I been paying for these costs myself rather than my company, do you think she would have been more sympathetic and offer an alternative facility? Why shouldn’t that be done regardless of who’s paying?I agree that insurance drives health care costs higher, and now look where we are because of it. Problem is, I don’t want to come down with a serious illness being caught in the pricing downdraft without insurance, kind of a catch-22.

GuestJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 pm

Thanks. I thought that might’ve been what you were getting at, but wasn’t totally sure. And I agree with your perception of things–also appreciate your posts.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 pm

Michele- that $2300 a month number is for all 100 employees or just one employee- I’m a lil confused. as far as my costs- the 40k is comprised of our annual contributions and what each of our companies pay for. its for 2 separate policies we have by 2 different companies. the more i look at it we’re probably better off havinf one of us just say no to one of the policies because there really is no benefit to having both and both are good policies.

MM CAJune 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 pm

LOL well said.. but like i have been saying for some time, most people are still ignorant to what is going on. out here in California its unbelievable the ignorance to the ecenomic condtions of the state and the country in general. most people still woud’nt admit w ehave problems even if the malls wer emepty, there were gas and food lines… they would rather be skate boarding and fighting for legal gay marriages, not that i care one bit one way or the other about gay marriage- live and let live- but please people pay attention to the other ills of your country too…

ChignosJune 24th, 2009 at 12:15 am

Michelle,It sounds to me like your doctor knows quite well how to recognize reality; viz., you have Cadillac health insurance therefore the most expensive delivery of health care is indicated for you and your daughter.Have you ever calculated how much you’ve paid in for health insurance all these years? (for most people the answer is: of course not, my employer pays it) Then compare that to how much your insurance has paid out for your medical expense. My own personal estimate is that these health insurers make out like bandits on virtually everyone.If you think about all the other financial risks you take daily, going without health insurance makes excellent financial sense, the earlier in your working life, the better. After all, these insurers have to make enough money on you to pay all their expenses and their own health insurance as well! I always said, when I grow up I want to be an insurance company. At all times they are simply too big to fail–in most states their profits are regulated (therefore guaranteed) by that state government.Of course, outlawing health insurance isn’t nearly politically correct enough to happen any time soon, so we’re likely to just morph along with the current system, or som minimally feel-good Obama change. For sure the Democrats will never seriously consider single-payor if it would mean they get the same insurance you do!But just remember one thing; single payor isn’t any better than our current system, it’s just different. You’ll always bitch about the health system, and you won’t realize fully why you’re dissatisfied until take full responsibility for your own health care expense and have no one else to blame but yourself.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 12:26 am

If there were gas lines more people would be skateboarding. C’mon, MMCA, grow a moral compass. If the philosophy is live and let live then toxic assets and credit default swaps are just an alternate lifestyle. Besides, I’m pretty sure those guys at Goldman Sachs who invented CDOs are in fact gay.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 12:44 am

His moral compass is just fine. He’s saying that there’s a more immediate threat to the country right now and people should pay attention to it. He’s not saying that those other issues aren’t also important, just that the economy and related problems ought to be more of a priority at this time.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 3:28 am

PJBYou made some bold predictions for the $ by the end of next month. do you still stand by them? Why did you put your reputation on the line? Please elaborate on your thought process.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 4:09 am

“BANK HOLIDAY”http://www.marketwatch.com/story/schultz-paints-bleak-picture-of-future?siteid=rss&rss=1

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 5:51 am

Could someone explain to me why I should want my medical records to be computerized and, therefore, subject to theft, hacking, and snooping on a scale that no piece of paper ever would be?

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 6:02 am

“…skewers the Obama administration’s manhandling the auto industry and manufacturing sectors. It accuses Obama of taking the old industrial belt on a “wild ride” that will lead to more plant shutdowns and increased outsourcing to foreign factories.”So we should keep GM going at all costs?

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 6:20 am

The people depicted in this article are “freegans.” The article is more a commentary on their chosen lifestyle than an indication of dire economic need. They even have their own meetup group.Wikipedia:

Freeganism is an anti-consumerist lifestyle whereby people employ alternative living strategies based on “limited participation in the conventional economy and minimal consumption of resources”. Freegans “embrace community, generosity, social concern, freedom, cooperation, and sharing in opposition to a society based on materialism, moral apathy, competition, conformity, and greed.” The lifestyle involves salvaging discarded, unspoiled food from supermarket dumpsters, known as dumpster diving. Freegans salvage the food for political reasons, rather than out of need.

Ignatz HerrimanJune 24th, 2009 at 6:55 am

i;ll offer a solution as a minor league economist. slash military spending to the tune of a moratorium on no more military hardware for 5 years, no manufacture of bio weapons, bring our bravest home from mideast. slash the National Security State and those private Blackwater fascists. tax the super rich big, like schwarzennager with 7 hummers. nationalize gm and them car companies and put americans to work manufacturing bullet trains, and light rails and monorails. nationlize the oil companies big time for windfall profits and funnel the money into solar and wind fields crisscrossing our country. we’ll hire our own to manufacture the hardware. create a socialized health care system like France and Canada. nationalize the pharmaceutical companies. clean up our election system with no tv ads allowed ,one person one vote,no corporate or individual donations allowed just provide candidates with boxes made of wood and let them visit their constituents the old fashioned way.Let’s talk solutions

Simon LegreeJune 24th, 2009 at 7:07 am

Are you saying Cuba has a better health care system than America Ignatz, despite the embargo? Why? and what about our schools Ignatz? Is the high school dropout rate profound? Did I read somewhere that 40 percent of our kids live in poverty and don’t know where their next meal is coming from? What sort of men are we? In the meantime those people on Wall Street whine about their 200 dollar glasses of brandy. What sort of disparities exist here? Are our representatives on the take? Answer that Ignatz.

Fred FlintstoneJune 24th, 2009 at 7:12 am

the elephant in the room is the military and national security budget over the last 30 years. what has it gotten us-insecurity and poverty.

ChignosJune 24th, 2009 at 7:57 am

Change everything over to France…….and then what? It won’t be any better, just different. A very wise person once told me that the successful organization has one inviolable rule: you don’t change anything unless the change will result in something that is clearly better. Not a little better or maybe it’ll work…….clearly better.If any changes are to come they will be economically viable; viz., if wind power is the thing, let T. Boone put in his money and let’s see if it makes a profit. If Obama is correct, let’s elect him and see if he can sweet talk the mullahs and bring the troops home.Or how about this one: let’s all register our opposition to bailing out the rich bankers on Wall Street! The point is that if you wanna talk solutions you wanna talk. Someone else will become the person who goes out there to work and makes it happen.

AnonymousJune 24th, 2009 at 8:10 am

Agree that the military and the banks between them have hollowed out all the wealth-producing capacity from the USA in favor of wealth-transfer to the ruling corporate elites who have the most influence in DC.Expropriation of wealth is no substitute for investment in income-producing capacity and wages in an economy.The “investment” in America in the past 30 years has all been in sectors that produce no additional wealth – property, financial product innovation, legal and accounting services, etc. Meanwhile the true productive sectors have been hollowed out and mismanaged to a disastrous degree (see auto industry).Until government is reclaimed by the people and the banks and military are reduced to the proportion they merit in a healthy society, America will continue to drift from crisis to crisis and war to war.

Ignatz HerrimanJune 24th, 2009 at 8:18 am

it won’t be better- for who. for the single family mom who works mcdonalds? i assert it will be much better for her and thats who I’m concerned about.you’re dead wrong about TBoone. Socialism or a varient on it will clean up the disparities not the economic system we have now. This bs about Profit is a load of crap we’ve bought. How about a new paradigm like looking out for each other instead?as for working for change, the reason I don’t post here much is because i’m out working for change in my own hometown, instead of talking about it. that means working the soup kitchen, cleaning up the shore and tending a community garden. I can only do so much.There is soooo much need out there.I also recall that millions of us protested the Iraq invasion before it began. Lotta good that did. I also recall the immense opposition to the bailout. Where are our young leaders? i’m afraid to say it but a democratic revolution seems the only way it will change.

Ignatz HerrimanJune 24th, 2009 at 8:24 am

“The “investment” in America in the past 30 years has all been in sectors that produce no additional wealth”that is correct. in fact what we produce is Death and Death machinery and death agents. A product of evil. A national sickness actually.”Until government is reclaimed by the people and the banks and military are reduced to the proportion they merit in a healthy society, America will continue to drift from crisis to crisis and war to war.”yes indeed. we now have a military and military hardware that is larger than all other countries in the world COMBINED. a national sickness.

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 8:26 am

Obama says it will cut health care costs… lol if you voted for him then you should be happy – right?

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 8:32 am

Hi guest… where did i disparage anyone? live and let live… come visit out here and see for yourself how ignorant people are to the economic crisis… i would think that cutting almsot 10 billion from education would be be a bigger issue than gay marriage, but not the case. also what about 11.5% CA unemployment and a U6 of close to 19% out here… Ignorance and lack of priorities and direction is the reason california has been the sewer and stink of economics the past 10 years.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 8:36 am

“Socialism or a varient on it will clean up the disparities not the economic system we have now. “ya mean Ignatz that you believe in the common welfare? as written in the Constitution. what about Schwartzennagerz Hummers, will he only be allowed one? who are you to say that Schwartzie is only allowed one Hummer? Isn’t it his right to have 7? Why does he need 7? What about the ‘wisdom’ of the free market Ignatz that has gotten us here. Why did Madoff need all that money?Why do people like luxury goods? Why do Wall Streeters need more bonuses when their fellows down the street are pushing shopping carts with plastic bags. Is the earth heating Ignatz? Are we not in a state of emergency? Do yourself a favor and buy a leaf blower with an internal combustion engine and annoy your neighbor. I’ve had it with your posts.

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 8:40 am

this story has been picked up by mainstream media…kind of goes to what i have been saying all year and the time frame of fall 2009 seems right…In its current issue, HSL reports rumors that “Some U.S. embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of U.S. cash to purchase currencies from those governments, quietly. But not pound sterling. Inside the State Dept., there is a sense of sadness and foreboding that ‘something’ is about to happen … within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days.”Latest Schultz Shock: a ‘bank holiday’Commentary: A leading newsletter paints a grim picture of the futurehttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/schultz-paints-bleak-picture-of-future?siteid=rss&rss=1Who says the credit crunch is over?NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The top-performing letter that predicted the Crash of 2008 now predicts a confiscatory Franklin D. Roosevelt-style “bank holiday.” But it’s surprisingly sanguine about stocks — in the (very) short term.The Harry Schultz Letter (HSL) was my pick for Letter of the Year in 2008 because it really did predict what it rightly called a coming “financial tsunami.” But its performance in 2008 was still terrible, albeit arguably for technical reasons. ( See Dec. 28, 2008, column.)Now HSL has bounced back big-time. ( See April 13 column.) Over the year to date through May, it’s up a remarkable 81.7% by Hulbert Financial Digest count, compared to 4.1% for the dividend-reinvested Wilshire 5000 Total Stock Market Index.Of course, simple arithmetic dictates that doesn’t make up for 2008 — over the past 12 months, HSL is still down 48.19% versus negative 32.63% for the total return Wilshire 5000. In fact, the damage inflicted by 2008 was so great that HSL is also under water over the past three years, down an annualized 14.89% against a drop of 8.18% annualized for the total return Wilshire 5000.Still, over the past five years, the letter has achieved an annualized gain of 9.19%, compared to negative 1.26% annualized for the total return Wilshire 5000. This reflects its success in catching the post-millennium hard-asset bull market that caused me to name it Letter of the Year, for more conventional reasons, in 2005. ( See Dec. 29, 2005, column.)And over the past 10 years, the letter still shows an annualized gain of 3.65%, against negative 0.86% annualized for the total return Wilshire.In its current issue, HSL reports rumors that “Some U.S. embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of U.S. cash to purchase currencies from those governments, quietly. But not pound sterling. Inside the State Dept., there is a sense of sadness and foreboding that ‘something’ is about to happen … within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days.”Yes, yes, it’s paranoid. But paranoids have enemies — and the Crash of 2008 really did happen.HSL’s suspicion: “Another FDR-style ‘bank holiday’ of indefinite length, perhaps soon, to let the insiders sort out the bank mess, which (despite their rosy propaganda campaign) is getting more out of their control every day. Insiders want to impose new bank rules. Widespread nationalization could result, already underway. It could also lead to a formal U.S. dollar devaluation, as FDR did by revaluing gold (and then confiscating it).”HSL is still sticking with its 20-year “V” formation forecast, but emphasizes that within the current 10-year downtrend phase there will be rallies that will “last 1-2 years.” It attributes its current success to “successfully trading almost daily, especially in commodity stocks (coal/potash/energy/ fertilizer/gold). Take profits constantly and rebuy on mini pullbacks. Prefer non-U.S. dollar companies; many such companies are listed in U.S. & Canada or Australia.”HSL says: “The world is staggering today between stagflation and net deflation right now; it varies widely around globe. Net deflation is a maybe 35% risk, due to toxics and/or deepening depression. Bit more likely, we’ll slowly creep up to a dangerous 4.5% inflation on average, medium-term. But the wild card is the currency risk, which has a 50% (?) chance of boiling over and causing literally overnight (i.e. 24 hours) mega inflation in the asset markets.”Nevertheless, in the very short term, HSL’s charting leads it to say: “we MAY not get a new bear market decline that many bears are predicting. Likewise, DJIA & S&P500 may build a Head-and Shoulders right shoulder.”

FEDupJune 24th, 2009 at 9:38 am

agree MM; It completely befuddles me when people show no reaction, no emotion, no concern for what may be the greatest step towards 3rd world status since the GD. I talk to people all the time and refer them to websites like this one and others only to find out later when I run into them at Chilis or Home Depot or Walmart, that they “have been too busy to check it out!” Those who show the most concern include small business owners of any age, those over 40 with some retirement savings and those who do not have a govt job. Our lack of concern and awareness is our greatest weakness and allows us to be continually exploited and led down the wrong road by those in power. Until there is more pain and suffering (job loss and lower wages), I don’t see major changes like people going to the streets and continually protesting until all the actions of the FED are made transparent to the public.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 9:56 am

our young leaders have thier minds sucked into media and gaming. the computer chip is thier god, not like you mother

kilgoresJune 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am

More on the deflation-inflation-hyperinflation debate:”We know that the Fed’s balance sheet has exploded (to $2.07 trillion), but that is only half the story. Data from the St Louis Fed shows that the “monetary multiplier” has collapsed from a decade-average of 1.6 to the depths of 0.893. The “velocity” of money has slowed to a crawl.”Professor David Beckworth from Texas State University said the Fed’s efforts to boost the money supply are barely keeping pace with the deflation shock. Stimulus is not gaining traction. The credit system is broken.Where will the inflation impulse come from given that capacity use is at a post-war low of 68pc in the US, and nearer 60pc worldwide? The immediate threat is wage deflation.”Tim Congdon – a hard-money Friedmanite from International Monetary Research – says the Fed is still not easing enough, perhaps because it is spooked by so much criticism or faces a mutiny by its own hawks. “If Ben Bernanke and his officials are listening to this sort of stuff and taking it seriously, they are making the same mistake as the Fed in the early 1930s,” he said. The US “output gap” is near 7pc. That is a powerful lid on inflation.”The sin has been to let M2 money growth wither since January, to let bank lending contract at a 5pc annual rate, and to let 10-year bond yields rise to nearly 4pc. The Fed pays lip service to the Friedman-Schwartz theory of the Depression, but has not digested the lesson.”Mr Congdon’s prescription is what Britain did in 1931 and 1992: monetary stimulus à l’outrance (today: bond purchases), offset by spending cuts. This mix – easy money/tight fiscal – would halt debt deflation without ruining the public finances of the US, Britain, and Europe in the way that Keynesian schemes ruined Japan. ‘The markets would rocket,’ he said.”http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/5586043/Dont-believe-the-hyperinflation-hype—dare-to-make-cuts.htmlSWK

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am

i read this the other day. it was part of the budget plan approved in Feb of this year, in addtion to rising VL fees, State Sales tax, etc… more fleecing of peoples wealth. California stat eincome tax rates and sales tax rates are off the charts these days. no wonder no one wants to do business here, live here, work here… the flight from california will be increasing dramaticaly over the enxt few years.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 10:29 am

Yup, in spite of all the inflation yelling that I and others have done and in spite of higher energy prices, I have to agree it looks like the money supply is stable — for now.So what do you think we should do now? Pump another $trillion stimulus package into the economy or just wait and see how this plays out?I do not think Congress is in the mood to pass another stimulus bill, so it’s probably going to be a wait and see attitude among the politicians and thus the Fed.

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 10:33 am

You are correct FEDup- it will take more pain… i guess those that have been paying attention, will have less pain or be more prepared to deal with it. Still even for someone like me who is paying attention, cutting costs, preparing, it will still hurt to watch millions of americans suffering… I never thought for the mjaority of my life i would witness what is happening to our country and the principles we stand for. We are getting screwed by the greed and corrupt nature of the “chosen few”.

wethepeopleJune 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am

There is an interesting interview over at Institutional Risk Analytics with Ann Rutledge. One of her answers had this observation regarding regulatory shortcuts that have harmed the system, “Modern financial theory is a religion; we believe that markets meld data into truth, but that the truth of markets is beyond the ability of any one person to comprehend, except some very special wizards who have the right recipes to decode it. One after another, the wizards are discredited, but our slavery to false ideas about markets continues. Part of the reason for this is the lock that The Chicago School of finance has had on financial thinking. A little objectivity would show that much of what we think is, in fact, a set of myths — but myths that favor certain parties in the market at the expense of everybody else.”

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am

I see what i see and call a spade a spade. Californians in general are ignorant and lazy. Not all but a lot. I managed 100′s of employees back east the first part of my career and 100′s out here the past 12 years. the difference in Attitude and work ethic is amazing. Caused me to manage to avoid having the company end up getting sued. there is sense of entitlement out here that has nothign to do with hard work.Ever wonder about all those CDS and CDO instruments and where they grew roots. right here in California, some estimates say 45% of the toxic debt, bad mortages occured out west. Californians fell for the trap of free money, wealth without hard work, housing values will keep goign up and i can keep spending. look at Freddie, Fannie, IndyMAC, countrywide mortgage probelms – 1/2 in claifornia. How could people be so stupid to sign up for all that free money with no way of paying it back…

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am

My moral compass is just fine thank you… I care about all americans and the suffering going on and could give a rats ass about gay marriage these days…point was, that one issue has stolen the headlines out here for over 2 years, enough already…

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am

They got bigger fish to fry- The banks still have over a 2.1 Trillion in bad assests and losses on thier books… When do they start to take those hits? Maybe they dont, maybe Obama when he appoints Summers FEd chief shuts them all down and takes them all over. Bernanke is a dead man walking, read between Obamas words yesterday. We have yet to see the BIG BANK FIX occur.

SoftwarengineerJune 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am

DON’T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCHWe tried devaluing the dollar with mass deficits, the recent actuals speak for themselves….we’ve got severe deflation. COLA and CPI are protected from house price degradation; but if they weren’t, the deflation would easily be double digit today.I know give the banks lots of fed cash, that will lower the dollar…LOL….little good that does if the banks won’t lend it out. Little good that does as average household incomes, excluding laid off families moving in with each other lately and making the family houisehold incomes artificially and unrealistically too high, plummet through the basement with horrifying unemployment factored in.The solution: raise unemployment by increasing the pool of job seekers? LOL, you’ll really fire up your dreaded deflation doing that. Nope, your hands are tied.

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 11:17 am

Buffet just said unemployment going a lot higher… he would not say 12-15% is not out of the question, only its goign higher. He also said since 1776 america has always fixed its problems, he’s a believer in America for sure… Says the we are also printing money to pay our own debt… “we are monetizing the debt. We are using printed paper to pay our government” roaring inflation is coming too…Me personally, i believe in America too, but i think Buffet is too optimistic this time around… i think it will take 20 years or more to recover from when we hit rock bottom. Rock bottom may not be for a while too.People surrounded by massive wealth sometimes want the result to be what they want and look through clouded glasses.

ChignosJune 24th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

I’m not too worried about the single mom working at McDonald’s. I think she’ll probably do just fine. McDonald’s is a complete and utter success sory; aren’t you a bit too elitist, insulting her efforts?OK then, I’ll have to say I’m more worried about you. How much change do you receive cleaning up the shore? (you could make more $$ working at McDonald’s–also, their food is generally better than at the soup kitchen) Don’t you let the deer eat your community garden?Ignatz got lost the mid eighties when that glorious Union of Soviet Socialist Republics bit the bag. His ilk won’t be satisfied until we’re all eating out of garbage cans.

ChignosJune 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

My point was that whether you call it gay marriage or a sub-prime loan, it’s all toxic. This “alternate lifestyle” philosophy budding out of California is a trainwreck everywhere you look.

DanJune 24th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

Recovery on the way“Prospects for economic recovery next year have improved for the first time in two years, the OECD said on Wednesday, while U.S. data showed an unexpected jump in orders for long-lasting manufactured goods, backing hopes the global economy may be healing.”This is a good sign. Is it not?

MichelleJune 24th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

MM,I totally blew that one, the $2300 is our life insurance premium! I wasn’t feeling well last night and it must’ve affected my brain. The stop-loss premium is about $12k total a month for the 45 employees that are eligible for health benefits. Our total medical, dental, optical, and orthodontic costs average about $1k/mo. per employee, so looking at what you’re spending for just insurance, not including deductibles and co-pays, is absolutely insane. Have you considered just opting out of your employee-sponsored benefit plan and just purchasing outside insurance with a high deductible? I’m really amazed your employer is getting away with charging these exorbitant premiums, and I doubt they are paying anything on your behalf.

CahillJune 24th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Sorry guys I have to disagree completely. Once you’ve dealt with doctors that won’t take more than 2 minutes talking to you, then once you get worse they look at you, we have to right to demand they run those tests….it’s your life!

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

By the way, I suggest reading the comments of Vegasbob on P1 and the highlited comments by mish and others on P2 of comments section.hlowe

FEDupJune 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Fed says deflation has receded as a concern, while the inflation threat is remote and the pace of contraction is slowing. Sounds like a perfect Goldilocks forecast for end of recession-except for one little thing: JOBS – where are they?

ChristopherJune 24th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Well, it also depends on how well they spin what is going on economically.Can they blame it on the middle east due to increasing oil prices?Can they blame it on China, perhaps for raising our long term interest rates, due to not buying our Teasuries?Or, perhaps NK or Iran or anyone or anything else?Or, could they just blame it all on the American people, for not being financially responsible and buying homes they could not afford?It will be interesting to see how many Americans wake up and see what is going on.

MM CAJune 24th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Seems everyone is realizing that the BIG PROBLEM moving forward is NO JOBS. They can green shoot away and pic spots that are”doing better” but at the end of the day when you have 30 million Work eligible Americans out of work, in part time jobs or minimum wage BS peasant serving jobs you got a BIG PROBLEM. Lets ee apply the 2.7 members per houshold to 30 million and you got approx 80 million people in the country in pain/trouble. Taking all of them out of the mix and watching thier consumption flat line is causing big problems for anyone left producing. so is it any ownder 35 million and climbing on food stamps, 40-50 million without healthcare, TAX revenues flat lining…Fols we have big problems and the Gov’t knows it and so do the banksters and CEO’s.

NoviceJune 24th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Obama has the answer to all our economic woes- as stated in his June 23rd press conference(concerning the energy bill)”We all know why this is so important. The nation that leads in the creation of a clean energy economy will be the nation that leads the 21st century’s global economy. That’s what this legislation seeks to achieve — it’s a bill that will open the door to a better future for this nation. And that’s why I urge members of Congress to come together and pass it.”Not only will we save our economy- but we will lead the global economy!!!!

MarkJune 24th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

It’s hard to measure the total energy put into computerizing a system vs. the savings in energy from hand processing.Management always wants to reduce the amount that it has to manage. I see this as no more than a desire to reduce the people who handle the records (geez, there’s entire educational programs on handling medical records!). There is semi-valid claim that computerizing records allows for quicker retrieval and less loss: it’s not uncommon for actions to be canceled due to lost/misplaced records.That stated, I too agree with Guest below that computerized records presents a big security threat (access to private data). I’d think that insurance companies would really like to have ready access…I’m a practicing Luddite, so I’m naturally disinclined to go along with the computerization of the planet.Mark

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

http://equaltimeradio.com/?q=audio/by/artist/les_leopold.LISTEN: The Financial Crisis Explained: Les Leopold on Equal Times.For years, Les Leopold has waded hip-deep into the ineffable world of high-finance: financial instruments, CDOs, derivatives, and a bunch of other words I don’t understand. Lucky for me and you, Les does. And luckier still, he knows how to explain it.Les’s role as he sees it in the Wall Street debacle and its aftermath is, basically, Translator for the People. His book, The Looting of America: How Wall Street’s Game of Fantasy Finance Destroyed Our Jobs, Pensions, and Prosperity—and What We Can Do About It, breaks the crisis down in easy-to-understand terms for the everyday working person.

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

m,yea, the countries finances are run by a criminalclass. that might get you into trouble, no?

MarkJune 24th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

The real issue (no, not gay-marriage, it’s only for distraction purposes) originated in D.C., not California.Sadly, it hasn’t just been California either.Mark

MarkJune 24th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

I keep seeing/hearing people refer to the automotive sector as something that we need to regain/resurrect.What exactly will stepping back up our reliance on the car culture do for us in the long-term?The failings (if you can call them that) that we’re witnessing have to do more with the fact that capital doesn’t see the car culture as being profitable anymore.Defining what needs to be done, be it the government or a lobby group (say business sectors) is prone to eventually prove lethal. Businesses (or sectors) have to demonstrate self-sufficiency, they shouldn’t be propped up. The biggest impediment to start-up “solutions” are existing businesses that have attained unfair advantage through various government handouts.The government should be more involved in insuring that there’s a level playing field and less in advocating for one company/business sector over others…Mark

MarkJune 24th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

A small government would never attract all the power-seekers: it wouldn’t have power to re-dole out.Reclaiming the government (a mantra that made me puke when used by Howard Dean followers) will do little. The Russian oligarchs were removed and a government was taken for the people; didn’t seem to work out very well there.Less is more…Mark

PeterJBJune 24th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

Why?To evoke in readers the potential for them to come to their own conclusions by considering for themselves the facts albeit through opinion or even possibly independent research.The US dollar is/has been being manipulated by synthetic forces albeit crudely and opportunistically albeit selectively and therefore is already defunct but there will always be a delusion of confidence from those that do not wish to think for themselves.Downturns in socio-economic expression are cyclic and natural just as tidal waves and tsunami’s etc., and it is naturally intelligence not to stand in the path of such events but to manipulate them in the pretence that one is a god. History has something to offer but the bottom line is that “leadership”as a governing authority is done and has reached its end and it is this panic and desperation that will guarantee a serious Dark Age.But, if one is aware of the possibilities of disaster that come, one’s mileage may vary or to be forewarned is (to some) to be forearmed.You also must consider that government does not add to growth per se but government throughout the World today have become a major cost to socio-economic growth and equates to each man woman and child carrying a 250lb weight on their shoulders – metaphorically speaking or, if you prefer, that which you have been told is government is merely your direct cost.Ask the question: Is government bigger that the real economy in real terms?Are those in government really representing their electorates?Are representatives of the people chosen for their integrity and intelligence rather that what the electorates want them to deliver for them from the public purse?Bottom-line: the US dollar is already dead and we are in the long process of last rites.The process is called ritual’.Data is available.Ho hum

MarkJune 24th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

Yeah, for starters we need to nix the myth that there’s such a thing as sustainable (economic) growth!Mark

GuestJune 24th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

strong dollar? until RSI is above 50, you can forget about it. $USD and $USB down until proven otherwise.

s2007June 24th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

wow. interesting play on the “petrodollar” and it appears there are no bars on the asylum anymore… this century will be a bloodbathIRAQ:”When the price of oil unexpectedly collapsed – though it has risen again in the past few months – the Iraqi government found itself broke. Its revenues are being swallowed up by the higher salaries, the rationing system and recurrent costs…. Government in Iraq is all about oil, because it produces 95 per cent of the state’s revenue…. The government’s desperate need to increase oil output, at a time when it does not have any money to invest, has given it no option but to turn to the international oil companies. The Iraqi Oil Minister, Hussain Shahristani, says he needs $50bn for investment which he does not have.”http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/oil-rush-scramble-for-iraqs-wealth-1711570.html

GuestJune 25th, 2009 at 6:16 am

The Guardian is a propoganda tool of the Labour Government. This is classic “green shoots” claptrap.

Juan ValdezJune 25th, 2009 at 10:53 am

I thought all US RN’s would be coming from the Phillipines, but I might be mistaken. At any rate, tThe obvious answer to your question would be Costa Rica, but the nurses there are better trained than here and without the attitude as well!

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