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6/15/09 – CNNMoney.com – Risks of a “w”-shaped recovery (Click here for video)

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(CNNMoney.com) — Economist Nouriel Roubini talks about surging oil prices, slow economic growth and what is needed right now.

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6/15/09 – CNNMoney.com – Risks of TARP paybacks (Click here for video)

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(CNNMoney.com) — Economist Nouriel Roubini says that allowing banks to repay TARP funds creates competitive disadvantages.

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Check out reports and videos of Reuters interview with Nouriel:

http://www.reuters.com/article/InvestmentOutlook09/idUSTRE55F54J20090616

http://www.reuters.com/article/InvestmentOutlook09/idUSTRE55F5CJ20090616

http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINIndia-40378120090616

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=106383

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=106402&newsChannel=InvestmentOutlook09

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=106383&newsChannel=InvestmentOutlook09

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=106411&newsChannel=InvestmentOutlook09

140 Responses to “Recent Media from Roubini”

PeteCAJune 17th, 2009 at 10:02 am

Well it’s not often that I find myself in agreement with Summers and Geithner … nor with the Fed. But lately a couple of things have happened that almost seem encouraging. Well, almost. We’ll see what happens.First, Washington DC has turned down California for a bailout. We’ll see if this decision sticks (politicians are such weasels), but for now it’s a very encouraging sign. The legislators in California need to be forced to get their heads on straight. So this is a step in the right direction. One of the financial commentators – I think it was Mish (Mike Shedlock) – recently pointed out that California could effectively re-balance its budget if they simply stepped back in time. In other words, if they went back to the budget that was in force when Gov Schwarzenegger was first elected, that would generate a tremendous amount of $$ savings. Yep … apparently that’s how much CA spending has exploded in recent years. So all these cries from Sacramento that they are in terrible trouble are really nothing more than the yelps of a teenager whose excessive allowance has suddenly been cut off by the parents. Kudos to Washington for holding these state legislators with their feet to the fire.And as for the Fed, I came across these interesting comments from Donald Kohn while reading a recent commentary by Gary Dorsch.”But on May 24th, Fed deputy Donald Kohn tried to calm jittery Treasury bond investors, arguing that expectations of a V-shaped recovery are far-fetched. “The US-economy is only now beginning to show signs that it might be stabilizing, and the upturn, when it begins, is likely to be gradual amid the balance sheet repair of financial intermediaries and households. As a consequence, it probably will be some time before the Fed begins to raise its target for the federal funds rate.”The link to the full article is here:Gary Dorsch and The Yield CurveNote the comment … the upturn when it begins. That’s a far cry from the “green shoots” theory being pumped by Wall Street. So apparently someone inside the Fed is looking at theUS economy from a more realistic set of expectations (or differently than what is normally admitted in the Fed’s public statements).PeteCA

MM CAJune 17th, 2009 at 10:07 am

State gasoline price passes $3 mark againJust in time for summer, $3 gas is back… geez only about a 1.20 more to go to hit last years highs…. consumer spending is dead with gas prices like this.California’s average price for a gallon of regular gasoline topped $3 Monday for the first time since last fall, driven higher by a rally in the market for crude oil. Just one month ago, Californians paid $2.52 per gallon, according to the AAA auto club.http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/15/BAQ9187O4S.DTL——————————————————————————–“I can’t believe how fast it’s gone back up,” said Miranda Lee, 33, filling up her old BMW for $3.09 per gallon Monday in San Francisco. “Right now I’m going down to Big Sur, and I’ve got to pay whatever it is.”San Francisco’s average hit $3.09 on Monday, according to AAA. Oakland reached $3.01, the same as the state average, and San Jose, $3.02.Gasoline prices usually rise through the spring and peak in the summer, as Americans take to the road on vacation. Last year’s historic price spike reached its pinnacle on June 19, when California’s average price for regular hit $4.61, a record. Then, prices crashed along==============================================God forbid Geithner spend one nickel of HIS money on anyone or anything other than his corrupt chorts on wall street…. What balls he has…….Calif. Aid Request Spurned By U.S.Officials Push State To Repair Budgethttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061503249.htmlThe Obama administration has turned back pleas for emergency aid from one of the biggest remaining threats to the economy — the state of California.Top state officials have gone hat in hand to the administration, armed with dire warnings of a fast-approaching “fiscal meltdown” caused by a budget shortfall. Concern has grown inside the White House in recent weeks as California’s fiscal condition has worsened, leading to high-level administration meetings. But federal officials are worried that a bailout of California would set off a cascade of demands from other states.With an economy larger than Canada’s or Brazil’s, the state is too big to fail, California officials urge.”This matters for the U.S., not just for California,” said U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren, who chairs the state’s Democratic congressional delegation. “I can’t speak for the president, but when you’ve got the 8th biggest economy in the world sitting as one of your 50 states, it’s hard to see how the country recovers if that state does not.”The administration is worried that California will enact massive cuts to close its deficit, estimated at $24 billion for the fiscal year that begins July 1, aggravating the state’s recession and further dragging down the national economy.After a series of meetings, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, top White House economists Lawrence Summers and Christina Romer, and other senior officials have decided that California could hold on a little longer and should get its budget in order rather than rely on a federal bailout.=======================U.S. credit card defaults rise to record in MayNO JOBS means a lot more of these losses on the banks books… the worst is yet to come… the banks are dead men walking if they really chose to look at thier balance sheets and the impact of rising unemployment…NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. credit card defaults rose to record highs in May, with a steep deterioration of Bank of America Corp’s lending portfolio, in another sign that consumers remain under severe stress.Delinquency rates — an indicator of future credit losses — fell across the industry, but analysts said the decline was due to a seasonal trend, as consumers used tax refunds to pay back debts, and they expect delinquencies to go up again in coming months.”I find it hard to believe that it is really a trend. You need to see stabilization in unemployment before you see anything else,” said Chris Brendler, an analyst at Stifel Nicolaus. “It is too early to see some kind of improvement.”Bank of America Corp — the largest U.S. bank — said its default rate, those loans the company does not expect to be paid back, soared to 12.50 percent in May from 10.47 percent in April.The bank is paying the price of expanding rapidly in recent years and of holding one of the highest concentrations of subprime borrowers among the top card issuers, analysts said.In addition, American Express Co, which accounts for nearly a quarter of credit and charge card sales volume in the United States, said its default rate rose to 10.4 percent from 9.90, according to a regulatory filing based on the performance of credit card loans that were securitized.The credit card company also holds a large exposure in California and Florida, two of the states most affected by the housing crisis and unemployment.Citigroup — the largest issuer of MasterCard branded credit cards — reported credit card chargeoffs rose to 10.50 percent in May from 10.21 percent in April.”Chargeoffs went up to record highs,” said Walter Todd, a portfolio manager at Greenwood Capital Associates, referring to the entire U.S. credit industry.Credit card losses usually follow the trend of unemployment, which rose in May to a 26-year high of 9.4 percent and is expected to peak over 10 percent by the end of 2009.If credit card losses across the industry surpass 10 percent this year, as analysts and bank executives expect, loan losses could top $70 billion.”Until lenders show stabilization then trend-bucking improvement over a several-month period, we remain bearish on credit card lenders — and the U.S. consumer,” said John Williams, an analyst at Macquarie Research.”We continue to believe that macro challenges and credit quality concerns will pressure U.S. card issuers over the next 12 months,” he added.However, some smaller credit card companies such as Capital One Financial Corp and Discover Financial Services reported defaults rates grew less than expected.Capital One said its credit card default rate rose to 9.41 percent from 8.56 percent, while Discover said its charge-off rate increased to 8.91 percent from 8.26 percent===================Tracking The Second Great Depressionhttp://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-tracking-the-second-great-depression-2009-6So far, the collapse of the world economy since April 2008 has been worse than the collapse in the Great Depression. One glance at the fall world output, trade, and stock prices puts the recent “green shoots” in perspective.The government policy response to the collapse, however, has been much more aggressive. Thus, we will soon collectively learn whether the economic historians are right that the original Great Depression was caused by “policy errors” after the collapse…or whether, as some suspect, there is simply no way to avoid catastrophe after a financial bubble the size of the one we just had.Professors Barry Eichengreen (Berkeley) and Kevin O’Rourke (Trinity) have updated their series of charts that compare the progress of this “Depression event”, as they’re calling it, with the Great Depression. The originals and a more detailed write-up can be found here, at Vox. We’ve arranged them into a quick slideshow below.START THE SLIDESHOW >Key Points From Vox:World industrial production continues to track closely the 1930s fall, with no clear signs of ‘green shoots’.World stock markets have rebounded a bit since March, and world trade has stabilised, but these are still following paths far below the ones they followed in the Great Depression.The big-4 EU nations divide north-south; today’s German and British industrial output are closely tracking their rate of fall in the 1930s, while Italy and France are doing much worse.The North Americans (US & Canada) continue to see their industrial output fall approximately in line with what happened in the 1929 crisis, with no clear signs of a turn around.Japan’s industrial output in February was 25 percentage points lower than at the equivalent stage in the Great Depression. There was however a sharp rebound in March

MorbidJune 17th, 2009 at 10:21 am

As I have noted in other threads – CA spending spree increased $40 billion in 4 years alone since Arnold… Roll things back to then has been my solution as well.Obi and company hope the Dems in CA will be able to raise taxes to close the budget gap so that further unemployment numbers are not racked up. They lack six seats for a super majority so it will be close. It’s Obi’s ground breaking ceremony, canary in the coal mine, floating a trial balloon approach to their eventual raising of taxes on the Fed side of the equation in order to close their budget deficits. I wonder if CA is not able to pass a further increase in taxes if the Fed will step in.Does anyone else perceive, sense – a coming tax hike for all citizens – in the claim that its a national emergency and we must all share the burden. This spend and tax culture has got to go.

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am

OK, PeteCA and MM CA, put up your dukes and may the match shed some light on what’s best for our state and nation.CA guest

MM CAJune 17th, 2009 at 10:47 am

Pete and I more often than not are on the same page… Any hint of raising taxes in california will be the worst thing they can do. it will be the final nail in the coffin for the state and the US economy. California is already the highest tax state in the country taking into account all types of taxes and asking for more blood from us rocks that dont have it will spell doom. They need to make the painful cuts. unfortunately, those painful cuts will lead to the loss of many more jobs…. so its sort of pick your poisen out here… what gets me is that FED,Giethner and Obama have given trillions to Wall street and the banks. why not pump in about 400 billion for all the states and stop all this bleeding by States. i knwo tis another bailout, but most people would have been for this instead of wall street. Human services and Education are about to take a mortal blow in all the states without help and what good is that going to for all Americans. just more pain and suffering and a “more Uneducated poplulation”. Maybe thats ther ened game, dumb us all up so we people cannot challenge them…

MM CAJune 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am

Regular unleaded now 3.29 in my area in calif… here is what i paid for gas the past year… notice in november in the heat of the crisis, gas for some reason dropped a lot… We are headeddown the same path..2/12/2008 $3.002/24/2008 $3.303/7/2008 $3.623/12/2008 $3.523/21/2008 $3.514/2/2008 $3.604/7/2008 $3.764/11/2008 $3.764/15/2008 $3.784/18/2008 $3.744/28/2008 $3.845/5/2008 $3.985/14/2008 $3.865/18/2008 $3.985/27/2008 $4.055/29/2008 $4.246/5/2008 $4.406/13/2008 $4.566/19/2008 $4.776/25/2008 $5.017/3/2008 $4.847/13/2008 $4.757/27/2008 $4.498/1/2008 $4.298/7/2008 $4.048/11/2008 $4.008/22/2008 $3.948/28/2008 $3.829/8/2008 $3.809/16/2007 $3.939/26/2008 $3.5610/6/2008 $3.6510/11/2008 $3.5210/18/2008 $3.3810/2/2008 $3.5010/21/2008 $3.3010/27/2008 $2.8011/5/2008 $2.7811/19/2008 $2.1011/24/2008 $1.9612/1/2008 $1.7412/4/2008 $1.7012/7/2008 $1.7612/13/2008 $1.7712/23/2008 $1.8012/30/2008 $1.761/2/2009 $1.801/2/2009 $1.901/19/2009 $2.051/27/2009 $2.062/1/2009 $2.302/9/2009 $2.143/3/2009 $2.103/23/2009 $2.144/1/2009 $2.244/10/2009 $2.284/16/2009 $2.324/22/2009 $2.354/29/2007 $2.305/8/2009 $2.305/15/2009 $2.365/27/2009 $2.666/1/2009 $2.996/11/2009 $3.09

MM CAJune 17th, 2009 at 11:02 am

increasing taxes in California will kill the state and its people… they cannot get blood of a rock… already all tax revenues are down… they could increase the taxes, but if people are not spending, not working and real estate values continue to drop, they are swimming up stream. they will only increase the loss of jobs, forecloures and decrease consumer spending by rasing taxes. they need to cut period.

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am

Very interesting set of charts. With exception of Poland, how can we still talk about green shoots?

BobJune 17th, 2009 at 11:28 am

Pete, first comment … if Calif legislators couldn’t see the explosion in housing coming why would we even consider that they could collectively get us out of the mess they put us in? Morons … all of them! Remember, they were also giddy about the dot.com era!Secondly, I would suggest that the legacy costs is the major issue. We have already seen what Obama has done with union workers in the auto industry. Why would you believe they would treat CA state employees any different? Turbo Tax Timmy and Summers simply deflected but will cave in due time!Finally, with all do respect to Mish, the budget problems are deeper than a 30% total hair cut when this depression gets finished. When realestate gets done falling here it will most likely have values from the early 80′s. Can you imagine the OC or silicon valley at a buck a foot average? What’s that do to revenues for the state?

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 11:32 am

now that is another issue that is again not spoken much about in USA (besides the crazy military spending and what actually happened on 9-11)…Why can the Federal government not help the states more? After all they are willing to pump trillions into financial institutions, often with the claim that helping the institutions helps the workers in them (or something along those lines).And why does it seem to be wrong to help the states? Or why does it seem to be wrong for the states to appeal for Federal help? Yes I think this has its roots in the 90′s law change that stipulated that the States had to balance their budget (someone correct me if I am wrong). But the current situation is simply very bad: even large corporations as well as the Federal government are unable to balance their ‘budget’ (balance sheet for the corporations).

MorbidJune 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am

MM,It would be interesting to also have the data for the price of a barrel of oil on those same dates. My hunch is that we are being ripped off at a higher level this time around.I wish Obi would take some of these vital commodities off the Casino table. He seems intent on running more and more aspects of the economy so why not this?

BobJune 17th, 2009 at 11:40 am

MM, I will jump in here with one question and my short answer. When anyone or anything has too much debt what happens? My answer – you either pay it down or default on it!Now if stressing CA with more taxes is not your answer then you must cut! Having anyone LOAN you more money only puts you further in DEBT.I fully understand trying to soften the downturn and allow it to happen over time. Thus, I understand trying to stabilize the banks to a point but the rest is just fool-hardy, imo.

Brett in ManhattanJune 17th, 2009 at 11:42 am

Spot on, MM. You can’t raise taxes on an already over-indebted populace without prolonging and exacerbating the recession.

MM CAJune 17th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

Well if oil went to 150 a barrel as it was for 2 weeks last year, we should hit 6.50 a gallon for gas… the most we paid last year was 4.50-4.90 or so when it was around 150. so yeah this time around the price of gas is proportainatley higher based on the price of 70.00 a barrel… so yes the oil companies are lining thier pockets with even higher profit margins this time around…no matter how you slice it and whether it is big oil, Big banks, they always find another way or scheme or scam to screw us again and again… Financial reform and regualtion is a joke, the PTB are just to too evil and will always come up with the next scheme to steal… CDO’s, CDS, Shorting, those are all yesterdays scams, the new ones, which we dont even know about, you can bet are already in place…. Anyone ever wonder why and how the market has been able to go up 3 motnhs striight?

MM CAJune 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

I agree- massive cuts, even though it will hurt millions in California, especially the kids and education, but the it has to stop somewhere. Borrowing or raising taxes will jsut delay the problem and increase the magnitude of the collapse when it finally happens.

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

I said it before Obama got elected… He has/had no experiance. I said before Bush got elected he was one of the dumbest people I had ever heard speak/communicate who ended up being in any postion of responsibilty, let alone president and he proved me right.Obama is a rookie, and he has a big ego. the PTB are eating his lunch for breakfast. I also do not think he is very smart and when he is out of office he will end up giving bush a run for dumbest president ever…However I do think he is a decent man and cares just like Bush, but that means nothing when you are stupid and ignorant as president. He will be a one term president because in 2012 this economy will be much worse than it is now.

BobJune 17th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I was in public school back in the late 50′s when they did an early and late session in elementary school. Early started around 7am and finished by noon. Late went 1PM to 6pm. The education seemed to work just fine. Twice as many kids taught at one place.How about stopping all summer school. You don’t pass do the grade over. Or year round school. How about teacher days done during summer rather than during the school year?Bottom line … lots of waste in education, imo. Highly over-rated! You happy with the cost to performance level in Calif?

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

LOL- A whole bunch of nothing…The Dow Jones industrials’ moves since Lehman fallhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/16/AR2009061602686_5.html- Nov. 19, down 427.47 at 7,997.28.- Nov. 20, down 444.99 at 7,552.29.- Nov. 21, up 494.13 at 8,046.42- Nov. 24, up 396.97 at 8,443.39.- Nov. 25, up 36.08 at 8,479.47- Nov. 26, up 247.14 at 8,726.61.- Nov. 28, up 102.43 at 8,829.04.- Dec. 1, down 679.95 at 8,149.09.- Dec. 2, up 270.00 at 8,419.09.- Dec. 3, up 172.60 at 8,591.69.- Dec. 4, down 215.45 at 8,376.24.- Dec. 5, up 259.18 at 8,635.42.- Dec. 8, up 298.76 at 8,934.18.- Dec. 9, down 242.85 at 8,691.33.- Dec. 10, up 70.09 at 8,761.42.- Dec. 11, down 196.33 at 8,565.09.- Dec. 12, up 64.59 at 8,629.68.- Dec. 15, down 65.15 at 8,564.53.- Dec. 16, up 359.61 at 8,924.14.- Dec. 17, down 99.80 at 8,824.34.- Dec. 18, down 219.35 at 8,604.99.- Dec. 19, down 25.88 at 8,579.11.- Dec. 22, down 59.34 at 8,519.77.- Dec. 23, down 100.28 at 8,419.49.- Dec. 24, up 48.99 at 8,468.48.- Dec. 26, up 47.07 at 8,515.55.- Dec. 29, down 31.62 at 8,483.93.- Dec. 30, up 184.46 at 8,668.39.- Dec. 31, up 108.00 at 8,776.39.- Jan. 2, up 258.30 at 9,034.69.- Jan. 5, down 81.80 at 8,952.89.- Jan. 6, up 62.21 at 9,015.10.- Jan. 7, down 245.40 at 8,769.70- Jan. 8, down 27.24 at 8,742.46.- Jan. 9, down 143.28 at 8,599.18.- Jan. 12, down 125.13 at 8,474.05.- Jan. 13, down 25.41 at 8,448.56- Jan. 14, down 248.42 at 8,200.14.- Jan. 15, up 12.35 at 8,212.49.- Jan. 16, up 68.73 at 8,281.22.- Jan. 20, down 332.13 at 7,949.09.- Jan. 21, up 279.01 at 8,228.10.- Jan. 22, down 105.30 at 8,122.80.- Jan. 23, down 45.24 at 8,077.56.- Jan. 26, up 38.47 at 8,116.03.- Jan. 27, up 58.70 at 8,174.73.- Jan. 28, up 200.72 at 8,375.45.- Jan. 29, down 226.44 at 8,149.01.- Jan. 30, down 148.15 at 8,000.86.- Feb. 2, down 64.03 at 7,936.83.- Feb. 3, up 141.53 at 8,078.36.- Feb. 4, down 121.70 at 7,956.66.- Feb. 5, up 106.41 at 8,063.07.- Feb. 6, up 217.52 at 8,280.59.- Feb. 9, down 9.72 at 8,270.87.- Feb. 10, down 381.99 at 7,888.88.- Feb. 11, up 50.65 at 7,939.53.- Feb. 12, down 6.77 at 7,932.76.- Feb. 13, down 82.35 at 7,850.41.- Feb. 17, down 297.81 at 7,552.60.- Feb. 18, up 3.03 at 7,555.63.- Feb. 19, down 89.68 at 7,465.95.- Feb. 20, down 100.28 at 7,365.67.- Feb. 23, down 250.89 at 7,114.78.- Feb. 24, up 236.16 at 7,350.94.- Feb. 25, down 80.05 at 7,270.89.- Feb. 26, down 88.81 at 7,182.08.- Feb. 27, down 119.15 at 7,062.93.-March 2, down 299.64 at 6,763.29.-March 3, down 37.27 at 6,726.02.-March 4, up 149.82 at 6,875.84.-March 5, down 281.40 at 6,594.44.-March 6, up 32.50 at 6,626.94.-March 9, down 79.89 at 6,547.05.-March 10, up 379.44 at 6,926.49.-March 11, up 3.91 at 6,930.40.-March 12, up 239.66 at 7,170.06.-March 13, up 53.92 at 7,223.98.-March 16, down 7.01 at 7,216.97.-March 17, up 178.73 at 7,395.70.-March 18, up 90.88 at 7,486.58.-March 19, down 85.78 at 7,400.80.-March 20, down 122.42 at 7,278.38.-March 23, up 497.48 at 7,775.86.-March 24, down 115.99 at 7,659.87.-March 25, up 89.94 at 7,749.81.-March 26, up 174.75 at 7,924.56.-March 27, down 148.38 at 7,776.18.-March 30, down 254.16 at 7,522.02.-March 31, up 86.90 at 7,608.92.-April 1, up 152.68 at 7,761.60.-April 2, up 216.48 at 7,978.08.-April 3, up 39.51 at 8,017.59.-April 6, down 41.74 at 7,975.85.-April 7, down 186.29 at 7,789.56.-April 8, up 47.55 at 7,837.11.-April 9, up 246.27 at 8,083.38.-April 13, down 25.57 at 8,057.81.-April 14, down 137.63 at 7,920.18.-April 15, up 109.44 at 8,029.62.-April 16, up 95.81 at 8,125.43.-April 17, up 5.90 at 8,131.33.-April 20, down 289.60 at 7,841.73.-April 21, up 127.83 at 7,969.56.-April 22, down 82.99 at 7,886.57.-April 23, up 70.49 at 7,957.06.-April 24, up 119.23 at 8,076.29.-April 27, down 51.29 at 8,025.00.-April 28, down 8.05 at 8,016.95.-April 29, up 168.78 at 8,185.73.-April 30, down 17.61 at 8,168.12.-May 1, up 44.29 at 8,212.41.-May 4, up 214.33 at 8,426.74.-May 5, down 16.09 at 8,410.65.-May 6, up 101.63 at 8,512.28.-May 7, down 102.43 at 8,409.85.-May 8, up 164.80 at 8,574.65.-May 11, down 155.88 at 8,418.77.-May 12, up 50.34 at 8,469.11.-May 13, down 184.22 at 8,284.89.-May 14, up 46.43 at 8,331.32.-May 15, down 62.68 at 8,268.64.-May 18, up 235.44 at 8,504.08.-May 19, down 29.23 at 8,474.85.-May 20, down 52.81 at 8,422.04.-May 21, down 129.91 at 8,292.13.-May 22, down 14.81 at 8,277.32.-May 26, up 196.17 at 8,473.49.-May 27, down 173.47 at 8,300.02.-May 28, up 103.78 at 8,403.80.-May 29, up 96.53 at 8,500.33.-June 1, up 221.11 at 8,721.44.-June 2, up 19.43 at 8,740.87.-June 3, down 65.59 at 8,675.28.-June 4, up 74.96 at 8,750.24.-June 5, up 12.89 at 8,763.13.-June 8, up 1.36 at 8,764.49.-June 9, down 1.43 at 8,763.06.-June 10, down 24.04 at 8,739.02.-June 11, up 31.90 at 8,770.92.-June 12, up 28.34 at 8,799.26.-June 15, down 187.13 at 8,612.13.-June 16, down 107.46 at 8,504.67.Down over 6000 since its high…lol

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

U.S. Dollar: the Good, the Bad and the UglyAxel Merk, June 16, 2009“Russian President Medvedev suggests the dollar is on its way out; Russian Finance minister Kudrin says there is no substitute for the dollar. The Chinese see a need to diversify out of the dollar; the Japanese say their trust in the dollar is unshakable. Let’s look at this puzzle and make some sense of it.”"We have had a lot of talk of “green shoots”, but once one looks deeper, most negative news one hears are facts, whereas most positive news appears to be subjective forecasts and expectations of policy makers. Dark clouds on the horizon include sharply rising mortgage rates (in progress); major trouble in the commercial real estate sector; a continued dislocation in the housing market where home prices cannot be sustained by income; a big wave of foreclosures yet to come as many of those who bought their houses at the peak of the market in 2007 are likely to see big challenges in the summer of 2010 as their mortgages begin to reset. In the banking sector, problems have been brushed away by easing accounting rules. In Europe, a catastrophe in Baltic countries may only be a matter of time; while the IMF and central banks around the world may ride to the rescue, does this sound like the beginning of the exit strategy? Not to us.”Add to that the amount of debt that needs to be raised by the U.S. government. According to our calculations, at least US$15 billion may need to be issued every single business day until the end of the year. This will require a substantial ramp up from the pace seen in recent weeks, a pace that saw bond prices plunge (long term interest rates rise) due to the increased supply of government bonds in the market. When considering that summer months tend to be slower months for governments to issue debt (it’s vacation time around the world), we believe long-term interest rates may have to rise substantially later this year to attract buyers. The U.S. government will be able to finance its deficits, the question will be at what cost. Interest rates are one issue; the other is whether government activities will crowd out private sector borrowers. Corporate America also needs to finance its operations, not just the government, and where is that money going to come from? What about all the other countries that are issuing record amounts of debt? Just ask Latvia – a recent government bond auction yielded zero bidders. But even established countries, say Ireland, have seen the cost of its borrowing surge.That’s when the bad may turn to ugly: how will central banks, notably the Federal Reserve (Fed) in the U.S. react should interest rates soar? Will they allow it to happen as they currently posture? It looks to us that we risk a collapse of economic growth if the cost of financing soars. There is still too much leverage in the U.S. economy, at the consumer level in particular. At this stage, a broken system has been propped up; the housing market is seen as key to an economic recovery – and all that money printing will have been in vain if market forces overwhelm the Fed by pushing interest rates higher. Naturally, the Fed puts up a brave face. Ultimately, this may be a game of chicken where Fed talk aims to keep interest rates low. However, we believe the Fed may blink first, and increase its financing activities of the U.S. deficit; by printing the money to finance government debt, the Fed may jeopardize the U.S. dollar, in particular if the Fed, as we believe, will be “more efficient” at printing money than other central banks around the world.”The whole article can be read head here, also includes video interview links.http://www.merkfund.com/merk-perspective/insights/2009-06-16.htmlhlowe

ChristopherJune 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

From everything I have seen so far this year, Obama appears to just be a continuation of the Bush policies and agenda.

economicminorJune 17th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

Prolonging the recession?Mortgage applications are falling, retail sales are falling along with tax receipts from virtually every source. Credit card defaults are rising.States have little choice but to lay off workers and shut down spending.Corporations are raising money by diluting their existing stock values by issuing more and more shares. Sort of like what the federal government is doing to our currency.Consumer deleveraging is neither adequate nor is it doing what needs to be done as indicated by retail sales, lower taxes paid and still rising defaults. Besides, most of it is just refinance onto the backs of those who still work and spend. So in reality it is at best a zero sum gain for the economy yet a huge benefit for those who receive the bailout money.The green shoots analysts are seeing are just new weeds not new real or productive economic activity. Weeds eat up the nitrogen in the soil and gives back no benefit. That is what most of the government borrowing is doing.I just can’t see where the recovery people are talking about will come from. Not from Consumers which are still in aggregate, a long long ways from having excess income to spend. Not from most corporations which are also over their heads in debt and laying people off or shortening their hours… Not from state, county or city governments as they are also laying off and cutting back.. So is the recovery coming solely from the federal spending of borrowed and or printed money? That seems to be the only source I can come up with…And what is happening with the money they are borrowing/printing? Running up the cost of oil and other commodities? Which has just the opposite affect they are touting as rising energy cost act just the same as a tax but on both consumption and production. It acts like a tax on almost all forms of a economic activity…So again > Where is this recovery coming from? … Not exports as they are actually still falling… Debt has a funny consequence in that it dilutes its own value when used to service itself. It can not make the insolvent solvent again. All it can do is transfer wealth from those with no connections to those that have them.See the pictures from Iran. That is what the US streets will look like in a year or two. Timing is always difficult!

AnonymousJune 17th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

A second major government stimulus is predicted for sometime later this year. Bullishness and optimism were rampant during the recent stock 3-month market rally but negativity has set in as the market declines a bit from its peak. Traders are predicting a second major government stimulus package sometime later this year and the market may be signaling that it’s going to repeat its previous downward behavior prior to the anouncement of each previous stimulus package. In each case, negativity had become prevalent prior to the stimulus. Once again a new government stimulus package is likely to drive the stock market upward from another low sometime later this year.

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

PeteCA – Is California systemically important in some way, to the rest of the USA, as well as the world given the size of its economy?

David LevnerJune 17th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

The Obama administration played hardball with Chrysler and GM, and they appear to be using the same tactics with California. However, California’s legislators are not trying to make a profit or minimize their losses–my sense is that the Republicans would like to cause a crisis and blame it on the Democrats. With a 2/3 majority needed to pass a budget, Republican support will be needed.I think California will go to the edge of the abyss and Obama will blink.

idunnoJune 17th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

What I learned from FRONT LINE episode “Breaking the Bank” which aired last night (Tue, 16-June-09)1. Due to their heroic actions in Q4-08, Paulson & Bernanke rescued and “saved” the USA and Global economy from their own forecasts of certain and immediate extinction.2. They were able to do this by not “saving” Lehman Brothers, but by hoping that they could “announce before markets opened” on that fateful day last October, that Merrill Lynch (the alleged next IB to fall) would be purchased by an appropriate suitor.3. It turns out, according to FRONT LINE, that a few months after the announcement of the the marriage of B of A & Merrill that supposedly saved the domestic and global financial system – was a match made in hell, and that merging these 2-entities would break B of A, previously touted as a juggernaut of the financial world. (Thus the title of the episode, “Breaking the Bank.”)4. In December, when Lewis threatened to invoke the Material Adverse Consequences (MAC) Clause in the merger agreement to call off the deal, Paulson & Bernanke would not allow it, but in order to facilitate the merger given Lewis’s epiphany, the FED & Treasury secretly added terms (which were not disclosed to the public until 15-Jan-09)that would support B of A given the MAC that had developed.Any takers on what the hell FRONT LINE was trying to achieve last night?

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

Um.. trying to portray those involved with a fine balance between intelligent and clueless, rather than greedy and reckless? With a twist of for-the-good-of-the-people patriotism, along with a hint of to-save-the-world-from-the-yawning-abyss altruism?

GuestJune 17th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

Not sure about their “anticipations,” but their use of the term “recoveryless recovery” is classic.

Guest tooJune 17th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

Another good one:”[T]he same people, media and institutions, considered everything was for the best in the best of worlds 3 years ago, that there was no risk of a severe crisis 2 years ago, and that the crisis was under control a year ago. Their opinion is therefore highly reliable!”

PeteCAJune 17th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

I doubt that Californians are as important as they like to believe. But the driver is simply that California is a major economy in its own right (even if the state separated from the USA). I think the figures are that California is actually the 8′th largest economy in the world. So no need to tell you about the impact if this thing implodes. The struggles that CA is having with home prices and mortgage delinquencies are also symptomatic of the driving problem that started this downturn. They aren’t over yet in CA either … by any means. Likewise, the debacle that we’re experiencing trying to get our legislators to actually restrain spending and agree to a balanced budget is also symptomatic of a national problem in America.

PeteCAJune 17th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Bob – no question that even if the state legislature actually solved the current (massive) budget problem, it’s still going to get worse next year.PeteCA

heroJune 17th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

I heard the budget deficit for 2009 is about$1.9trillion…..How is the govt going tofinance it?I don’t know so much about the bond market,so can someone please help me?Will there be enough buyers? Foreignors willbuy? The fed?hero

MichelleJune 17th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

I watched last night’s episode and came away with the feeling that the Front Line producers wanted to expose the unbridled power being exercised by the government and the Fed. I never perceived they portrayed Paulson or Bernanke as “heroes”.Hopefully most everyone should know by now why AIG was saved, why Lehman was not, and that Merrill was another potential Lehman disaster waiting to happen without an FDIC suitor.

MichelleJune 17th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

Simple. Create another bubble through unleashed easy monetary policy, achieve 80% public participation as confidence soars via the wealth effect, perceived wealth gets spent as consumers buy crap they don’t need from exporting countries, exporting countries try furiously to recycle those dollars by buying our treasuries in order to avoid domestic inflation, wash, rinse, repeat. It’s been happening for decades.

Wolf in the WildsJune 17th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

Why? Because the financial sector will not benefit from it. And the states cannot afford to pay for all the lobbyists. Remember, this is as much about politics as it is about economics. And this is the nature of a crony capitalist system and a banana republic. Vote for change? I am sorely disappointed.

Wolf in the WildsJune 17th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

From the previous thread@ WolfGood to see you here and I agree with what you write about the crowding effect.This is particularly a problem because there is increasing discomfort with the lack of transparency for other asset classes with progressive relaxation of accounting, reporting and disclosure rules.I only learned this week that Bush had signed an executive order in 2006 allowing the head of Homeland Security to selectively exempt public companies from accounting and reporting requirements of the Securities Exchange Act on grounds of “national security”. Apparently it was signed one week before Goldman Sachs and Bank of America came out with their very surprising profitable Q1 results.Intelligence Czar Can Waive SEC Rules: http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/may2006/nf20060523_2210.htmBecause “national security” will cover every use of the powers, investors can never learn which companies have been given waivers. It would be very surprising indeed, however, if those on this thread couldn’t make a fairly accurate list as regards the suspected holders of these waivers in the financial sector. We could start by looking at who had the biggest Level 3 assets and the most influence in Washington . . .Reply to this comment By London Banker on 2009-06-17 04:11:56Hi LB,The irony of all this is that the truth eventually gets out. The galling thing about the Federal Reserve is its duplicity. When Bernanke announced that the Fed was going monetise agencies in March, he was not embarking on a new plan. They had already monetised US$1trn worth already. This will send chills down any reserve holders spine.The unwillingness to take any sort of pain simply means that monetisation will be stepped up. I have written about this before but I think I should restate it. Monetisation of deficits is a circular process which leads to uncontrolled expansion of the monetary base. It is a vicious cycle. It goes like this:Monetisation of Deficits –> weaker currency –> higher rates –> more monetisation to cap rates.. and so on so forth. Of course, which monetisation reaches a certain point it leads to hyperinflationThe above is a simplified flow but brings out the essense of monetisation. I can see the counter arguments that some have brought out (ie Japan) but economists who argue that case don’t realise that the process is still correct, except that the economic space they should be looking at is not Japan but the world. Japansese monetisation of the 90s led to inflation everywhere else. In an open capital flow economy like Japan, they were monetising the world. Another point to note was that Japan had high savings, so essentially, the BOJ made their own savers suffer. Hence the birth of Mrs Watanabe, the world biggest currency speculator.In the current economic context, I do not see the same happening. We have the biggest debtor nation trying to make its creditors pay the price for its gluttony errors. There will be repurcussions. If the US tries to monetise its way out of its debt, expect retaliation from the major reserve nations. There is no good solution, other than taking the painful path of adjustment. By taking the low road, the US jeapodizes not only itself, but the rest of the global economy.Given the behaviour of the Fed, and the psychology of the American leaders, I forecast a currency crisis to develop in the next 12 months, while we are struggling through the economic crisis, and probably a new financial crisis which will be sparked by renewed and expanded consumer/mortgage delinquency in the US, and the economic collapse of CEE in Europe.We live in historical times

PeterJBJune 18th, 2009 at 2:00 am

Speaking of future events and prophesies:I said previously on these pages of the RGE Blog:1. The systemic collapse of the socio-economic system will bring a Dark Age upon us where, mileage will vary,2. The Cause of this collapse is borne out of Leadership in Hanlon’s Razor, ie, incompetence and stupidity,3. The collapse of the US dollar will come prior to end July 2009,4. That the “fix” is no more that a cash grab by the faithful guard and a power grab by the USFederal Reserve – a private, secretive stealth organization of deceptive practice.5. That Tim Geithner will become the most dangerous man in the USA.Now,Upon hearing last night of the confirmation of the Federal Reserve being given sweeping powers to directly manage and enforce economic, monetary, financial, commercial, corporate and merchantile affairs of the World,I now predict that this single action will launch, that which has been building since Bush I (and before),revolution and civil unrest, not only in the USA, but Worldwide. Anchored in such unrest, hyperinflation and instabilities, a series of major World wars will unfold between the USA and other Nations.I explain:The Federal Reserve under Benanke must now become much larger in order to confront its function and as I have said previously, will eventually absorb control over the IMF, Word Bank and the IBS. At the same time every Central Bank throughout the allied Western framework will be requested to pay full tribute to the FedRes. It is easy to accept that eventually the whole of all the other United Nations organizations willalso be placed under direct control of the FedRes.War will come as the FedRes necessarily switches its focus from saving the defunct and bankrupt banking system, on behalf of the USA, initially, to building itself and more importantly, surviving the total global socio-economic collapse that is definitely at hand.All the FedRes’s actioning in priority will be focused on survival, which will require the full obedience and compliance by all the global members of the central banking alliance. Political leadership in many countries will eventually pressure their FedRes central banker counter-parties to not be so obedient and forthright and this alonewill cause much irritation to the USA (as well as the FedRes). As a direct consequence, these disobedient countries will feel the imposition (war) of the USA at the direction of the FedRes.Prior to this, I believe that Benanke will retire (resign) and he will be replaced IMO by Tim Geithner, who,if so, will become the most dangerous man on the Planet.Greenspan had no trouble being totally active and open in promoting the invasion of Iraq, even at cocktail parties and I doubt if Geithner will either, although next time around, I wouldn’t too visibly laugh at Tiny Tim when he gets on top; this is a man to be feared.I also say that upon Obama FedRes Act getting Senate Approval (they appear to approve anything bad, like Congress) that the US dollar is done as the reserve currency. Once this Act is approved as Law, the US dollar will be propped up to give the impression that it has value which at present it doesn’t have any.PS. I have no real internet connection any more unless you call 39kbps Internet and any d/l +u/l cost around A$20 per Gb – so I will not be really visible but I feel this opinion is important to consider. Fascism is alive and well in Australia.Ho hum

The AlarmistJune 18th, 2009 at 2:32 am

They have to do Porkulus II. All the stimulus money that was supposed to filter through to the real economy was pocketed or banked by the Bankers.

The AlarmistJune 18th, 2009 at 2:33 am

Nonsense … massive spending hasn’t done anything to really improve the average child’s education. Cut your losses already.

heroJune 18th, 2009 at 4:59 am

This is a very serious issue.I tried asking the people on the Yahoo Board ofTBT because they know a lot about treasuries.However, none of them knew who was going to buythem. They said it’s like 3 to 4 times the amountof treasuries issued in a typical year.Anyone really going to buy them?hero

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 5:03 am

WolfThe currency crisis that you foresee, will it be worse than the present one? what would be the implications and you said that “There will be repurcussions” could you please elaborate on that? what possiblly reserve holders can do?

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 5:21 am

PeterJBFrom your posts you seem like a learnerd person. Coming from someone else I would have dismissed these predictions. Whats makes you so sure about these outcomes. Do you come to these conclusions based on information that every one have or do you have some other source(s) of information?

PeterJBJune 18th, 2009 at 5:38 am

I predicted 1997 and 2000/01 and this crisis; the latter is on my Blog and appears to be in hindsight, a perfect pick. I think a lot and have read quite a bit – but I think that exercising one’s neurologies gets some credit.History tells us much and used comparitively with physics, tells us much more; it’s all about Universal Principles which are consistent – more or less – in parochial environments.So, my sources are experiential so they are unique – but, er, shouldn’t be. Knowing a fair bit about temporal signatures helps too.Ho hum

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 5:57 am

Two questions:1. How much of the debt markets is controlled by countries/organizations outside of USA?2. And how much does the faith (or lack thereof) in that lenders will be repaid affect the availability of debt to U.S. companies?

Wolf in the WildsJune 18th, 2009 at 5:58 am

There are few possible scenarios of varying degrees of severity. Protectionism will increase. Trade wars will ensue. For certain, the USD will be dropped as the reserve currency, and to make it worse, it will probably lose its status as a TRANSACTIONAL currency. In such a scenario, trade could potentially revert back to barter, or markets could revert back to gold-based transactions (a form of barter). WTO will collapse. Global economic activity will shrink further. These are the economic repurcussions.Before we get there, we will probably have war. Remember, if the US$ is no longer used as a transactional currency, the US is effectively bankrupt. It will be similar to Thailand or Argentina, who had no foreign reserves to purchase goods. And the US will most likely use their joker in tha pack when it get to that stage: the military card.Conversely, the rest of the world could capitulate and pay for America’s sins but somehow, I don’t see that happening.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 6:02 am

That’s the reason I wonder why people even vote. Have they not learned their lessons – there will not be any real change.

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GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 6:36 am

3. The collapse of the US dollar will come prior to end July 2009,

hmmmm…it’s not too far to that then…

REDJune 18th, 2009 at 6:44 am

Are you still calling an end to the dollar by July 2009. I’m with you but that looks like an aggressive timeline.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 6:54 am

I agree with you, Wolf in the Wilds, and others about that we will soon have a Second Dark Ages upon us. In fact even “darker” than the original so-called Dark Ages (which actually was not really that “dark”).And I agree with you that there will be more international economical controls. The exact specifics of ‘how we get there’ I am not so sure of. Neither am I sure of the ‘form’ in which these controls will be administered.

Brett in ManhattanJune 18th, 2009 at 6:55 am

If the Fed raises interest rates, just as the market is crashing, the public and institutional investors will move out of stocks and into the safety of treasuries.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 7:49 am

There are so many predictions of doom on here. I still believe Roubini though, slow growth for some years to come with a possible w. I am a poor person financially so I ask people on here who do seem like that are extremely knowledgeable this question. It maybe a simple question and may even appear dumb but here it goes.WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST. SPEND A FEW DOLLARS I HAVE AT THE MOMENT ON A CAMPING TRIP FOR ME AND THE KIDS OR SPEND THE VERY FEW DOLLARS LOADING UP ON FOOD FROM THE BOX STORES ????I ask because of all the talk of collapsing dollar before the year ends which if anything like that did happen it would be the end of people wanting to hire trades people.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 8:14 am

That’s a good question. I ask it myself.Most of the posters here think the collapse would have happened by now. If you asked these guys and gals would the government double it’s national debt in just one year? They would have said no way, but here we are. Sweeping monetary intervention has provided a Disney World facade of a functioning economy. But the facade will collapse. Watch for inability to auction treasuries, which are more and more difficult to sell, and watch the long term drift of the dollar index.No one knows when all this is going to occur, so I suggest you spend a few dollars on a camping trip. As for preparedness, food storage is important, but I think developing a network of like-minded people who can self-support one another is more important.

AnonymousJune 18th, 2009 at 8:24 am

OK Gang, dissect the improving existing unemployment numbers today. Are those whose unemployment benefits have run out presumed to be “employed” again or some other accounting adjustment?

AnonymousJune 18th, 2009 at 8:28 am

OK, now what to do?Pay off a 120K line of HELOC credit (25% marginal tax bracket)at one below prime with short term treasury taxable funds, sit tight, or invest?

MM CAJune 18th, 2009 at 9:04 am

NO JOBS… the reason people collecting benefits dropped is because they lost thier benefits because they reached the maximum. they now get added to the U6 number which is speeding past 16% unemployed americans. As the runrate below says we could get 12.5% by end of 2009. I highly doubt the govt will let the number get that high and will manipulate so as not to be much above 10%. They will probaly get cuaght doing so to. I suspect we a reasonable number we will hit is 11.5% by end of 2009. either way NO JOBS means this economy is spiraling downward and as everyone is asking these days, Where are jobs going to come from. No one in charge from Govt to private Business to the fortune 5000 seem interested in creating any….If you want a job you can find one for 10.00 an hour on the books or 10.00 off the books… problem is if you are not illegal most americans dont want those jobs…http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2009/06/june-16-2009-double-or-nothing-moment.htmlThe monthly US unemployment rate, following from numbers published by the BLS so far in 2009, as measured using the increasingly contested U3 method, reads as follows:Jan 7.6%Feb 8.1%Mar 8.5%Apr 8.9%May 9.4%The trend is very clear, to say the least.Graphically, this is what unemployment looks like over the past ten years:And this is the picture over the past 60 years:NOTE: graph stops in 2008The May number, obviously, is very close to being the highest since World War II. And, for all we know, perhaps longer.Today, president Obama predicted that at the end of 2009, the 1982/83 record will have been broken. He says (U3) unemployment will reach 10%.But if we go back to the trend established so far this year, that number doesn’t just look unlikely, it looks outright unbelievable. I would venture that Obama is playing a risky game with his credibility. And I can’t help wondering why he would want to do that at this phase in the “game”. There are increasingly voices out there who quote the president’s “audacity of hope” in a less than positive fashion. So perhaps this is the spinmeister team’s double or nothing moment. Lift him over the summer and hope for the best?!Realistically, though, even if the rate of growth were to come down, it doesn’t seem possible to halt it at 10%. If it grows at 0.45% per month, as it has done to date, U3 will end the year at 12.55%. If it would grow at 0.1% per month, which seems highly improbable, it would still surpass Obama’s 10%. You can all do any and all of the alternate scenarios yourself. Most likely, the rate will be well over 0.1% per month through the summer, in which case we’d have to see actual job growth in the fall?! From where, from what?A number of items from today’s news are waiting in the wings to influence the final unemployment tally for this year. First from yesterday:Lending by rescued US banks is still down.Corporate bond sales are failing in Europe; no doubt they will do so in the US as well as we go along.Compared to the same period last year, US housing starts are down 45.2%.

NewsyJune 18th, 2009 at 9:05 am

http://www.michael-hudson.com/articles/globalism/090614De-DollarizationDismantlingEmpire.htmlThe Yekaterinburg Turning Point, By Prof. Michael Hudson, June 13, 2009The city of Yakaterinburg, Russia’s largest east of the Urals, may become known not only as the death place of the tsars but of American hegemony too – and not only where US U-2 pilot Gary Powers was shot down in 1960, but where the US-centered international financial order was brought to ground.Challenging America will be the prime focus of extended meetings in Yekaterinburg, Russia…The attendees have assured American diplomats that dismantling the US financial and military empire is not their aim. They simply want to discuss mutual aid – but in a way that has no role for the United States, NATO or the US dollar as a vehicle for trade…Yet the meeting has elicited only a collective yawn from the US and even European press despite its agenda is to replace the global dollar standard with a new financial and military defense system…Mr. Medvedev called for China, Russia and India to “build an increasingly multipolar world order.” What this means in plain English is: We have reached our limit in subsidizing the United States’ military encirclement of Eurasia while also allowing the US to appropriate our exports, companies, stocks and real estate in exchange for paper money of questionable worth…The sticking point with all these countries is the US ability to print unlimited amounts of dollars…dollars the Pentagon spends abroad all end up in foreign central banks. These agencies then face a hard choice: either to recycle these dollars back to the United States by purchasing US Treasury bills, or to let the “free market” force up their currency relative to the dollar…When China and other countries recycle their dollar inflows by buying US Treasury bills to “invest” in the United States, this buildup is not really voluntary. It does not reflect faith in the U.S. economy enriching foreign central banks for their savings, or any calculated investment preference, but simply a lack of alternatives. “Free markets” US-style hook countries into a system that forces them to accept dollars without limit. Now they want out.This means creating a new alternative. …the nations meeting at Yekaterinburg are taking steps to avoid being the unwilling recipients of yet more dollars. Seeing that US global hegemony cannot continue without spending power that they themselves supply, governments are attempting to hasten what Chalmers Johnson has called “the sorrows of empire” in his book by that name – the bankruptcy of the US financial-military world order. If China, Russia and their non-aligned allies have their way, the United States will no longer…have the money for unlimited military expenditures and adventures.US officials wanted to attend the Yekaterinburg meeting as observers. They were told No. It is a word that Americans will hear much more in the future.**sorry for my chop-job editing, just trying to be brief. well worth your time to read the whole piece, imo

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 9:08 am

Worst Housing Number in Decades: What Is the Wall Street Media Smoking?http://seekingalpha.com/article/143696-worst-housing-number-in-decades-what-is-the-wall-street-media-smokingThe housing numbers are as bad as they could possibly be. They show year-over- year housing starts to be down by 45.2% from May 2008. I cannot recall the numbers, but, if memory serves me, this decline is of the same magnitude as the housing decline which occured during the Great Depression of the 1930s.Housing sales always are greater in April than in February. Furthermore, people almost always buy more houses in May than in April. The fact that they repeated that pattern in 2009 is not surprising. It’s been happening since the days of the Roman Republic.The real news is that housing starts are deeply down year over year. On top of that, we must consider that fact that 2008′s numbers are way down from 2007, and 2007′s numbers were way down from 2006. Housing starts in May, 2006 were running at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1,957,000 (www.census.gov/const/newresconst_200605.pdf). In other words, since the height of the housing market, housing starts have fallen so deeply that they amount to only 27% of what they were 4 years ago. That is very bad news and it justifies a deeply downward move on the stock market. Frankly, it is surprising that the DOW and S&P 500 didn’t fall a lot lower than they did.However, forget about all the doom and gloom of reality! Enter the Wall Street spinmeisters. Don’t bother them with reality. Here is the fantasy…Bloomberg writes: “Housing starts jumped 17.2% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 532,000 units in May, up from April’s figure of 454,000…”[i]Marketwatch wrote:“Housing starts bounced back with a vengeance in May, rising 17.2% to a rate of 532,000 on a seasonally adjusted annual basis”[ii]No, I am not making that up. I’ve given you the citation and you can read it for yourself. As ridiculously stupid as that is, they really did write “…bounced back with a vengeance…”.But, no one beats Wall Street’s big bank analysts at the exceptional skill of being out of touch with reality.Zach Pandl at Nomura Securities in New York, for example, explained: “This (housing) starts report is actually very encouraging…”[iii]What kind of weed are these people smoking?This is a horrible economic news week so far. To add to the bad housing numbers, the Federal Reserve reported that industrial production fell 1.1% in May from April and, in an unusual twist, admitted that this news was “worse than expected.” Six Flags, which owes billions of dollars to its creditors, has filed bankruptcy. Extended Stay Motel chain, which owes billions more, joined them in bankruptcy court.The most frightening thing is that this is probably only a first taste of things to come. The green shoots are becoming impossible to find, if there ever were any.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 9:10 am

High Housing Starts Don’t Reflect RealityOn Tuesday June 16, 2009, 12:14 pm EDTBuzz up! PrintSo my first thought was: there’s got to be something wrong with this number. A 17 percent surge in housing starts didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me at first, but after talking to my minions I’m now getting the picture.First of all, the biggest part of the gain was in multi-family, up 61.7 percent month to month, but that’s after falling 49 percent in April. Patrick Newport, an economist at HIS Global Insight, says the multi-family market is still in a “deep slump,” despite the monthly jump. “Permits, which better gauge underlying conditions, fell 8.3 percent, the 11th consecutive monthly decline, to a record low of 110,000 units 9annual rate,” says Newport. “The recent sharp decline in this market is related to financing. Some builders are overwhelmed with debt. Others cannot find funding to finance projects with positive net present values.”As for single family, Dan Oppenheim over at Credit Suisse tells me that “the bit of stabilization earlier this year (the end of buyer paralysis after the end of last year) led a few builders to get their plans set for more.”But analyst Ivy Zelman gave me a huge nugget: 50 percent of sales in May were on spec. She says we’re seeing a lot of spec homes now because, “today’s consumer wants to touch and feel the house.” The positives are that cancellations are down, sales are better and there’s less negative pricing, although discounts are still prevalent. “The patient was without a pulse in the fourth quarter,” Zelman notes, “and now the patient’s in ICU.”So why all the spec now? Because builders are trying to jam all these homes into buyers’ pockets before the expiration of the $8000 first time home buyer tax credit. It turns into a pumpkin November 30th.The big wrench in that tactic is mortgage rates. Zelman claims, “the market collapsed last week.” Yes, it’s now summer, but she says that in Northern California, Las Vegas, Seattle, Chicago, the numbers went back to fourth quarter lows. The spring offered incredible affordability, but the rise in interest rates and the impending end of the tax credit could choke that off in summer.And then there is the foreclosure issue.I’m not trying to be a bear here, just a pragmatist. The government and industry programs to ease foreclosures are not showing big successes. A lot of Alt-A borrowers are in big trouble and many won’t qualify for any of the bailout programs. With interest rates in the mid 5′s, refinancing isn’t going to do much of anything for many borrowers. There is no sign of abatement in delinquencies, and while investors are in there, using old-fashioned cash to eat up inventories of distressed properties, there are plenty more foreclosures in the pipeline just waiting to hit the market.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/High-Housing-Starts-Dont-cnbc-15538039.html?

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 9:16 am

Housing has 2 more years of price declines to go…New York Home Prices Forecast to Drop 40%What’s it feel like to survive one hurricane only to be told that another is on the way? New York City–area homeowners are in just that spot. After the region suffered the brunt of financial-industry cutbacks, the next big wave of woe could be a nor’easter of collapsing home prices. That’s the forecast of an extensive new report on residential real estate by Deutsche Bank, which calls for home prices in metropolitan New York City (which includes Westchester, northern New Jersey and other nearby areas) to fall 40.6% from the prices that prevailed in March.Housing Prices Keep Dropping. And They’re Not Done YetIronically, that dire forecast is wrapped in an improving forecast for nationwide home prices. Back in March, Deutsche Bank analysts had expected national home prices to decline 16.5%; now they foresee just a 14% decline. That mildly upbeat news does not hold true for the New York City area, however, which is expected to see a 40.6% drop. While that is also a slight improvement from the March forecast, it is dire nonetheless.To arrive at their forecasts, the Deutsche Bank analysts, led by Karen Weaver, assessed several leading variables, with affordability being a key driver. The pronounced decline in home prices across the nation, coupled with a downward drift in interest rates, has greatly improved nationwide affordability, the report noted. Indeed, in some famously overpriced regions that have since corrected, such as Los Angeles and the Riverside–San Bernardino areas of California, affordability is as good now as it has been in decades. That’s a big reason that many California areas may see prices fall only an additional 10% or so, despite the state’s deepening financial crisis.New York City’s big problem is not so much the financial-industry meltdown as it is an intense lack of affordability. As the report notes, metropolitan-area New York home prices peaked in the second quarter of 2007 at $552,000. By the first quarter of 2009, the median price had dropped 19%, to $446,000, but the market swoon was less than half the drop recorded in many other areas of the country. Today among the 10 biggest metropolitan areas, New York ranks as the least affordable.http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1905085,00.html

MM CAJune 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am

As i have been saying for a few weeeks… look at the destructuion in State Revenues. This does not show Sales tax revenue which is juwst as bad. Lower Income tax revenue equates to mounting indivdual lost jobs and decelining productivity/sales revenue by employers. Sales tax revenue equates to consumer spending. so if all these are trending down like they are, let alone they are horrific, what does that mean for GDP? Neg 3, 6, 9 ,12%?Read the rock pdf report… it has all the data/numbers…States in Deep Trouble Over Plunging Income Tax RevenuesStates in Deep Trouble Over Plunging Income Tax RevenuesThe Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government has issued a State Revenue Flash Report discussing an across the board enormous drop in personal income tax revenues.Total personal income tax collections in January-April 2009 were 26 percent, or about $28.8 billion below the level of a year ago in states for which we have data. In April 2009 alone (April being the month when many states receive the bulk of their balance due or final payments), personal income tax receipts fell by 36.5 percent, or $18.2 billion.Personal income tax receipts in the first four months of calendar year 2009 were greater than in 2008 in only three states — Alabama, North Dakota, and Utah.In FY 2008, personal income tax revenue made up over 50 percent of total tax collections in six states — Colorado, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, and Virginia. Personal income tax revenue declined dramatically in all six of these states for the months of January-April of 2009 compared to the same period of 2008. Among all 37 early-reporting states, the largest decline was in Arizona, where collections declined by nearly 55 percent.In the month of April alone, 37 early reporting states collected about $18.2 billion less in personal income tax revenues compared to the same month of 2008.This $18.2 billion is close to the $20 billion shortfall that states experienced in overall tax revenue collections in the first quarter of calendar year 2009. This is particularly bad news for the states that rely most heavily on personal income tax.Given the ominous picture of personal income tax collections, deeper overall revenue shortfalls and further deterioration in states’ fiscal conditions are likely on the way for most states for the April-June quarter of calendar year 2009.What a Bad April Does to State Budget ProcessesAn April income tax shortfall comes at the worst time of year for two reasons. First, by the time it is recognized in late April or mid-May, it is just 6-10 weeks before the end of the fiscal year for 46 states. For states without large cash balances, this can create a cash flow crunch or even a cash flow crisis. There is not enough time to enact and implement new legislation cutting spending, laying off workers, raising taxes, or otherwise obtaining resources sufficient to offset the lost revenue before the June 30 end of the fiscal year. As a result, a state without sufficient cash on hand to pay bills must resort to stopgap measures to “roll” the problem into the future.Second, the increased budget problems caused by an April income tax shortfall come late in the fiscal year and late in the budget process — often as states are supposed to wrap up their budget negotiations.The new bad news for elected officials can unsettle carefully balanced gap-closing plans already tentatively negotiated. Since the budget actions included in these tentative plans presumably were the most attractive options available to them, almost by definition actions to close new budget gaps will be much more difficult.All of this makes it hard for budget negotiators to reach agreements that will fully close the new budget gaps. It raises the risk that the newly adopted budget will take an optimistic view of the year ahead and may unravel as the year progresses, requiring midyear cuts. And because those solutions that are adopted may be nonrecurring in nature, it raises the risk that states will face larger gaps for 2010-11 when such nonrecurring resources go away.There are numerous tables in the report worth a look. In fact, the entire 9 page PDF is worth reading in entirety.States most dependent on Personal Income Taxes68.5% of Oregon’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 27.0%57.2% of Massachusetts’ Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 28.5%55.9% of New York’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 31.8%47.5% of California’s’ Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 33.8%52.4% of Connecticut’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 25.9%52.7% of Colorado’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 25.4%Arizona’s collections were down a whopping 54.9% depending 25.3% on Personal Income Taxes. South Carolina, Michigan, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Idaho, and Ohio are also in deep trouble.20 states depending on personal incomes taxes for > 25% of total taxes were down 20% or more on collections.This is a very grim report on state finances.The Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government has issued a State Revenue Flash Report discussing an across the board enormous drop in personal income tax revenues.Total personal income tax collections in January-April 2009 were 26 percent, or about $28.8 billion below the level of a year ago in states for which we have data. In April 2009 alone (April being the month when many states receive the bulk of their balance due or final payments), personal income tax receipts fell by 36.5 percent, or $18.2 billion.Personal income tax receipts in the first four months of calendar year 2009 were greater than in 2008 in only three states — Alabama, North Dakota, and Utah.In FY 2008, personal income tax revenue made up over 50 percent of total tax collections in six states — Colorado, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, and Virginia. Personal income tax revenue declined dramatically in all six of these states for the months of January-April of 2009 compared to the same period of 2008. Among all 37 early-reporting states, the largest decline was in Arizona, where collections declined by nearly 55 percent.In the month of April alone, 37 early reporting states collected about $18.2 billion less in personal income tax revenues compared to the same month of 2008.This $18.2 billion is close to the $20 billion shortfall that states experienced in overall tax revenue collections in the first quarter of calendar year 2009. This is particularly bad news for the states that rely most heavily on personal income tax.Given the ominous picture of personal income tax collections, deeper overall revenue shortfalls and further deterioration in states’ fiscal conditions are likely on the way for most states for the April-June quarter of calendar year 2009.What a Bad April Does to State Budget ProcessesAn April income tax shortfall comes at the worst time of year for two reasons. First, by the time it is recognized in late April or mid-May, it is just 6-10 weeks before the end of the fiscal year for 46 states. For states without large cash balances, this can create a cash flow crunch or even a cash flow crisis. There is not enough time to enact and implement new legislation cutting spending, laying off workers, raising taxes, or otherwise obtaining resources sufficient to offset the lost revenue before the June 30 end of the fiscal year. As a result, a state without sufficient cash on hand to pay bills must resort to stopgap measures to “roll” the problem into the future.Second, the increased budget problems caused by an April income tax shortfall come late in the fiscal year and late in the budget process — often as states are supposed to wrap up their budget negotiations.The new bad news for elected officials can unsettle carefully balanced gap-closing plans already tentatively negotiated. Since the budget actions included in these tentative plans presumably were the most attractive options available to them, almost by definition actions to close new budget gaps will be much more difficult.All of this makes it hard for budget negotiators to reach agreements that will fully close the new budget gaps. It raises the risk that the newly adopted budget will take an optimistic view of the year ahead and may unravel as the year progresses, requiring midyear cuts. And because those solutions that are adopted may be nonrecurring in nature, it raises the risk that states will face larger gaps for 2010-11 when such nonrecurring resources go away.There are numerous tables in the report worth a look. In fact, the entire 9 page PDF is worth reading in entirety.States most dependent on Personal Income Taxes68.5% of Oregon’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 27.0%57.2% of Massachusetts’ Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 28.5%55.9% of New York’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 31.8%47.5% of California’s’ Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 33.8%52.4% of Connecticut’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 25.9%52.7% of Colorado’s Tax Revenue from PIT. Collections off 25.4%Arizona’s collections were down a whopping 54.9% depending 25.3% on Personal Income Taxes. South Carolina, Michigan, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Idaho, and Ohio are also in deep trouble.20 states depending on personal incomes taxes for > 25% of total taxes were down 20% or more on collections.This is a very grim report on state finances.

MAJune 18th, 2009 at 10:00 am

Ecominor, good points.What I believe we are seeing… is forced inflation! (or at least their attempt at it) The government and all, can do little to stop deflation. Deflation becomes cyclical, and in our current state of debt, where our insolvency runs the risk of being systemically exposed, there is little defense against a death spiral of debt. (we are always “at the moment” insolvent. Our system of finance always works off of repayment of more money at a future date. There is never enough existing money to pay down the current overall debt. This is modern finance/economics. …and it has a history of working. …but not when we’ve overleveraged and fractionally margined ourselves this far!!!)To put the breaks on this death spiral, inflation needs to take hold. Cash has been infused, but not nearly at the pace that debt was destroyed, thus leaving the velocity of credit/debt (and growth) at a snails pace. From a Government reporting standpoint… nothing effects the inflation/deflation equation like OIL. (and gas)I suspect that the hope is that costs of shipping increase, thus forcing the cost of goods to reflect that cost. …and thus FORCING those who can’t currently afford it, to work more or borrow more to pay the difference.Ultimately, if the consumer is forced to borrow more, then the banks, credit cards, etc… will be forced to lend more, and thus get the gears of that old broken model going again. (those lenders, whose balance sheets where abysmal, have been largely replenished with fresh clean sheets)It’s a horrible idea… but it’s our horrible idea. It’s not a “solution”, since there is no solution to the horrible idea that is so entrenched in our modern day financial system. It’s just a means to getting back to the good old days… and once they can get us back (or should I say “if” they can get us back) …it comes with the “promise” of tighter controls and “stricter” regulations.Yeah… it’s pretty comical.Comical that we can rebuild a broken system. (because it worked for so many people, for so long, and made those in power very wealthy)Comical that “promises” of tighter controls would mean anything, since they look to control historic crimes, rather then stay ahead of tomorrow’s crime. (That’s what happens when loopholes, and financial evolution outpace a system that is not geared to fully understand it’s evolution prior to allowing its infusion into allowable practice)Comical that “strict” would mean anything, when we still have not done nothing to prosecute those who have recklessly endangered our economy for financial gain.Comical that we not only didn’t prosecute these elite, but instead, bailed them out with our tax dollars, and then positively reinforced them by leaving them in their elite positions.At some point, you do have to laugh.All the best,Miss America

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 10:09 am

Debt is great to have in inflation. If you believe we have inflation on horizon, then hold on to that debt and buy gold.

MAJune 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am

All players in the market will be buying the treasuries.Plain and simple. The balance sheets have been cleaned. Now with new TPMG rules going into effect, and with derivative traders being forced to collateralize their trades… the new “cash” on the street is US T’s. They will be everyone’s collateral… and based on the TPMG rules, those T’s will be forced to move.Like the dollar is the world’s reserve currency, The US T is establishing a more dominant role as the world’s collateral. (It already is, but this is becoming a jugular stranglehold.)All the best,Miss America

MAJune 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am

Econominor… from your above reply to PeteCA’s post:Ecominor, good points.What I believe we are seeing… is forced inflation! (or at least their attempt at it) The government and all, can do little to stop deflation. Deflation becomes cyclical, and in our current state of debt, where our insolvency runs the risk of being systemically exposed, there is little defense against a death spiral of debt. (we are always “at the moment” insolvent. Our system of finance always works off of repayment of more money at a future date. There is never enough existing money to pay down the current overall debt. This is modern finance/economics. …and it has a history of working. …but not when we’ve overleveraged and fractionally margined ourselves this far!!!)To put the breaks on this death spiral, inflation needs to take hold. Cash has been infused, but not nearly at the pace that debt was destroyed, thus leaving the velocity of credit/debt (and growth) at a snails pace. From a Government reporting standpoint… nothing effects the inflation/deflation equation like OIL. (and gas)I suspect that the hope is that costs of shipping increase, thus forcing the cost of goods to reflect that cost. …and thus FORCING those who can’t currently afford it, to work more or borrow more to pay the difference.Ultimately, if the consumer is forced to borrow more, then the banks, credit cards, etc… will be forced to lend more, and thus get the gears of that old broken model going again. (those lenders, whose balance sheets where abysmal, have been largely replenished with fresh clean sheets)It’s a horrible idea… but it’s our horrible idea. It’s not a “solution”, since there is no solution to the horrible idea that is so entrenched in our modern day financial system. It’s just a means to getting back to the good old days… and once they can get us back (or should I say “if” they can get us back) …it comes with the “promise” of tighter controls and “stricter” regulations.Yeah… it’s pretty comical.Comical that we can rebuild a broken system. (because it worked for so many people, for so long, and made those in power very wealthy)Comical that “promises” of tighter controls would mean anything, since they look to control historic crimes, rather then stay ahead of tomorrow’s crime. (That’s what happens when loopholes, and financial evolution outpace a system that is not geared to fully understand it’s evolution prior to allowing its infusion into allowable practice)Comical that “strict” would mean anything, when we still have not done nothing to prosecute those who have recklessly endangered our economy for financial gain.Comical that we not only didn’t prosecute these elite, but instead, bailed them out with our tax dollars, and then positively reinforced them by leaving them in their elite positions.At some point, you do have to laugh.All the best,Miss America

MAJune 18th, 2009 at 10:31 am

WiW…I wouldn’t be so quick to make that call…. I can’t see it happening without the aid of some sort of “catastrophic event” or “terroract”. Without a trigger, the status quo is too easily obtained or maintained. those with the wealth have the guns, power, etc…The masses will not up rise until forced into a starvation corner. …and we just aren’t there yet. (and I suspect, TPTB will do everything they can not to get to that point, even if it takes compounding a lie 100x over)With that said, the US reserve currency is always up for debate. What you have to figure in are the alternatives. Gold… ??? Who owns the most? (and by a REDICULOUSLY LARGE MARGIN??? Would that be the US?) Trade… ??? Food… Our plains are still bountiful, and our livestock well fed. Oil… ??? Well it seems we are pretty well situated there, and the region seems to have married our economic philosophy.I can go on and on…Without a trigger, this seems to be a pretty far off assertion.All the best,Miss America

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am

The Professor in one of his videos above talks about deflation being with us for the next year to year and a half. Gary Shilling believes we will have deflation as well, and possibly for a longer period.

SoftwarengineerJune 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am

THE GREEN SHOOT FERTILIZER IS MORE “UNCONTROLLED GROWTH DEBT” ACID THAT CAUSED THE ECONOMIC MESS IN THE FIRST PLACEEven when unemployment recipients’ numbers decrease a small bit that’s not good either; it generally means a chunk of them had their benefits run out and are now desparate for work.Even when the rate of joblessness decreases a bit, that’s not good new either; JOBLESSNESS IS WORSENING. Its like a house infested with termites, if 25% of the house is eaten, but the rate of the last 75% of the house standing is now being eaten a bit slower….that’s TOTALLY HORRIFYING.More wake up and smell the no need for debt growth coffee:Today’s “recession/depression/stagflation or whatever the Hades you call it” is because home prices and the banks’ ability to keep up with uncontrolled overpopulation growth collapsed. The solution is obvious: we need a direction that’s the same as what got us in trouble in the first place, more uncontrolled debt/growth…LOLI see the 2009 COLA to date is -3.2%. Yes bloggers it’s depression style deflation. It’s not a guess or a horror for the fed to prevent anymore, it’s reality.News article in part:“….As of today, the amount of an increase that federal retirees will receive is: 0%. Inflation is much less this year and the consumer price index used to calculate the retiree COLA shows a decline in the inflation rate so far in 2009. That could change but as of today the COLA figure stands at -3.2%….”The rest of the URL:http://www.fedsmith.com/article/1972/pay-parity-your-2010-pay-raise.htmlAnd America needs more uncontrolled debt growth?

DanJune 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am

That is true, but I think it is important what they recommend one should do in the meantime. Apparently they give specific advices on stocks, bonds, currencies and all related to various geographic lications.

mormonmanJune 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

“a network of like-minded people who can self-support one another is more important. “Try the Mormon church. You don’t have to be a member to network with them, and they’re big into food storage, self-sufficiency, and helping their neighbors. And most of them (not all, though) don’t have the “survivalist mentality” – they just see these things as prudent.

White AmericaJune 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Every American seems to believe that one thing is for sure, nationalisation would be a disaster (at least those I can observe on Bloom). But could a governement run bank have done worse than the “private” variety? Besides, as any large bank has an implicit State guarantee whatever they do… the taxpayer should have representation

Turtle49June 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

After I read your analysis about the drop in people receiving unemployment I read Bloomberg and saw our leaders lying with statistics.Where are the jobs coming from? Another galaxy?As for the cost of living not going up — liars. A box of Hamburger Helper used to be 9.2 ounces and now is 5.6 ounces although the box is the same size. Ice cream was sold in a 1.75 quart container and now is a 1.50 quart container. Today in Las Vegas a Mexican market is advertising Mazola Corn Oil in a 40 ounce bottle for $2.99 — as opposed to the standard 48 ounce bottle. I wonder if the other markets are now selling the smaller bottle.

Brett in ManhattanJune 18th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

Using the standard definition of inflation as too many dollars chasing too few goods, the Fed’s meddling not withstanding, how can anyone come to the conclusion that inflation will be a problem in the near future? What we have, now, is the exact opposite scenario, an over-indebted consumer who needs to cut back and get his balance sheet in order and a corporate sector that needs to empty its shelves of inventory as to maintain profitability.

bllindmanJune 18th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/62900.html.Between a rock and a hard placeMeaningIn difficulty, faced with a choice between two unsatisfactory options.OriginUS origin. The earliest known printed reference is Dialect Notes V, 1921:”To be between a rock and a hard place, ..to be bankrupt. Common in Arizona in recent panics; sporadic in California.”The ‘recent panics’ referred to in that citation are undoubtedly the events surrounding the Bisbee deportations of 1917. In Bisbee, Arizona, in the early years of the 20th century, a dispute between copper mining companies and mineworkers developed. In 1917, the workers, some of whom had organized in labour unions, approached the company management with a list of demands for better pay and conditions. These were refused and subsequently many workers at the Bisbee mines were forcibly deported to New Mexico.It’s tempting to surmise, given that the mineworkers were faced with a choice between harsh and underpaid work at the rock-face on the one hand and unemployment and poverty on the other, that this is the source of the phrase.See also ‘between the Devil and the deep blue sea’.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

Is it possible that you were imposing your own knowledge on what you were watching? Imagine for a moment, that you knew virtually nothing about what FRONT LINE was reporting on that night and were just taking it straight from them.I think that if you were viewing with that blank slate you might have seen it for it was.And the point is there were plenty of people watching who did not know what you did going into it, and therefore had nothing with which to color their viewing of it – therein lies the revision and manipulation.

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

Good evening bank haters.Hot off the WSJ press:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124536271699529031.html#mod=djemalertNEWSBy JESSE DRUCKER and MARK MAREMONTSome executives at banks propped up by government aid have retained a coveted perk: personal use of the company jet.Flight records show numerous occasions when banks receiving federal money have flown their planes to destinations near resorts or executives’ vacation homes, including spots in Europe, Mexico, the Caribbean, south Florida and Aspen, Colo. In some cases, it’s clear that bank executives were traveling for personal reasons; for other flights, many of which were over weekends or holidays, the passengers and purpose couldn’t be established.View Full ImageDavid TownsendRegions Financial jet N605RF landed at the Prestwick, Scotland, airport on Nov. 12, 2008.Regions Financial Corp. of Birmingham, Ala., received $3.5 billion from the Treasury Department’s Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, on Nov. 14. Twelve days later, the day before Thanksgiving, two Regions jets left Birmingham within minutes of each other, bound for a small airport in West Virginia.The destination: the historic Greenbrier resort, where the bank’s chief executive, C. Dowd Ritter, and family members spent four nights over the holiday, according to a person familiar with his accommodations.The round-trip flights cost Regions roughly $17,700, according to a calculation by Conklin & de Decker Aviation Information, a consulting firm. A Regions spokesman declined to comment on the trip or the cost estimate but said all travel on company jets “either for personal or business was within our policy.”The Wall Street Journal identified 14 federally aided banks that register planes under their own names. It reviewed Federal Aviation Administration flight records for these planes from October, when the bank aid program began, through mid-March, the latest information the Journal was able to examine.Getty ImagesC. Dowd Ritter, CEO of Regions FinancialDisclosure of the flights comes at a time when the Obama administration is setting limits on how banks that receive federal money may compensate their executives. Aid recipients’ use of corporate jets, even for business, has been a sensitive matter since last fall, when a flap arose after auto executives flew to Washington on company jets to plead for a public bailout. In January, President Barack Obama berated a major aid recipient, Citigroup Inc., for planning to add to its fleet of jets. Citigroup canceled the order.Banks aren’t unique either in owning corporate jets or in sometimes letting top executives use them for personal travel. Many big companies do so, saying this helps executives use their time more efficiently and is more secure. Some companies even require certain executives to use company planes for all travel. At Regions Financial, a proxy statement says the CEO should always use bank-owned or other noncommercial aircraft, unless flying commercial is more efficient and “does not involve unreasonable personal risks.”For banks receiving federal money, the cost of personal use of planes is small relative to the aid packages, some in the billions or even tens of billions of dollars. Nonetheless, some banks have curbed or eliminated personal use of company planes in recent months, citing federal aid or the economic downturn.At Citigroup, two days after the bank canceled the jet order Mr. Obama criticized, former Chief Executive Sanford Weill boarded a Citigroup-owned plane for a flight to a small airport at Saranac Lake in New York state’s woodsy Adirondack region. Flight records show it was the seventh trip a Citigroup plane had made to Saranac Lake, near where Mr. Weill has a vacation home, since the bank first received federal aid last fall.The flight returned to its point of origin, in Westchester County north of New York City, on Sunday, Feb. 1. That same day, Mr. Weill announced he was waiving his contractual right to use Citigroup aircraft. His spokesman said Mr. Weill “cares deeply about the future of Citi and recognizes the extraordinary commitment by the American taxpayer.” The statement came on the same day that a much longer Weill flight on a Citigroup jet — taking family members to the Mexican resort town of San Jose del Cabo in Baja California over New Year’s — was disclosed in the New York Post.The GreenbrierThe front entrance of the Greenbrier in White Sulphur Springs, W.V.The Presidential Suite at The Greenbrier That plane, a Bombardier Global Express, sat on the ground at Cabo for eight days, FAA records obtained by the Journal show. The cost to Citigroup of the round-trip flight was about $33,500, according to Conklin & de Decker, a consulting firm based in Orleans, Mass., that was asked to make an estimate.A spokesman for Citigroup said personal use of company planes is limited to certain executives, who are encouraged to fly commercial when possible.Under Internal Revenue Service rules, executives who receive free personal travel on company jets owe tax on “imputed income.” The IRS dictates a per-mile valuation method, which would have resulted in about $3,300 of taxable imputed income for Mr. Weill for each person on the Cabo round trip. A charter flight would have cost about $90,000, Conklin & de Decker says.One of the largest recipients of government money is Bank of America Corp., which got $15 billion in October and $30 billion more in January in connection with its acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co. In between the injections, a Bank of America Gulfstream V flew from Bank of America headquarters in Charlotte, N.C., to Aspen, Colo., on the Saturday before Thanksgiving and to the Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport in mid-December.The latter flight was one of a number to Savannah/Hilton Head in the second half of 2008. Bank of America CEO Kenneth Lewis has part ownership in a home on Spring Island, S.C., near Hilton Head.Ritz-Carlton Lodge, Reynolds PlantationNational Bluff at the Ritz-Carlton Lodge, Reynolds Plantation in Greensboro, Ga.More on Reynolds Plantation Just after Christmas, as the bank’s controversial deal to buy Merrill was about to close, a Bank of America Dassault Falcon 2000 jet flew to a small airport near Greensboro, Ga., FAA records show. Mr. Lewis spent the following three days at a nearby Ritz Carlton resort, the Reynolds Plantation. A different Bank of America Falcon 2000 traveled back to the bank’s headquarters city from Greensboro on Dec. 30. Flying time each way was about 38 minutes, versus about four hours it would take to drive.A Bank of America spokesman declined to comment on specific trips but said, “We are implementing a new policy in 2009, under which personal use of aircraft will not be permitted.”Morgan Stanley received $10 billion in October from TARP, a government program to encourage lending amid the credit crisis by infusing banks with cash in return for preferred shares. In subsequent months, Morgan Stanley jets traveled twice to Wilmington, N.C., where property records show Chief Executive John Mack owns several beachfront properties. A Morgan Stanley Gulfstream V that went to Wilmington over the Thanksgiving break later flew to Paris and London over the Christmas holiday.A spokesman for the bank declined to comment on individual flights but said its policy was to allow Mr. Mack personal use of corporate jets, with the cost “fully disclosed” in annual proxy filings. The value of his personal jet usage last year was $368,675, one filing shows.Morgan Stanley’s most recent proxy filing said that as of March 10, Mr. Mack began to reimburse the firm for personal use of its aircraft. The price used is the maximum sum the FAA allows plane owners that aren’t commercial operators to charge under “time-sharing” arrangements. That price typically is less than it would cost to charter a similar aircraft.First ClassAt some banks that received federal aid, executives have been able to use company planes for personal travel. See some examples. Morgan Stanley repaid its federal TARP funds on Wednesday. The Treasury has just issued a final rule saying TARP recipients must implement a policy on so-called luxury expenditures, including aircraft use, and make these policies public within 90 days.Among aid recipients that have halted executives’ personal use of planes is Synovus Financial Corp., a Columbus, Ga., bank that received $968 million in federal funds in December. Its most recent proxy statement said that in light of “current economic conditions,” the board’s compensation committee in December suspended personal use of aircraft for 2009, though it could approve exceptions.Marshall & Ilsley Corp., a Milwaukee-based bank that got $1.7 billion in TARP funds in November, ended personal use of its aircraft in February, a spokeswoman said, “in light of receiving capital from the U.S. Treasury.” She said the bank is trying to sell its two planes. Before the ban, the bank’s ex-chairman, James Wigdale, used a company plane at least three times in recent months to fly to and from Vero Beach, Fla., the spokeswoman confirmed. He owns a home near Vero Beach.That Florida city has been a frequent destination for aircraft owned by Pittsburgh-based PNC Financial Services Group Inc. PNC announced on Oct. 24 it would receive $7.7 billion of federal money to help it acquire a troubled Cleveland bank. That evening, FAA flight records show, a PNC jet took off for a weekend trip to Vero Beach. Property records show PNC Chief Executive James Rohr owns a beachfront house about nine miles from the Vero Beach airport.The day PNC received its federal aid, Dec. 31, the same company plane was parked at Aspen, Colo., where it had traveled from Pittsburgh for a five-day trip over New Year’s. PNC planes also flew numerous times to Fort Myers, Fla., near vacation homes owned by other PNC executives.View InteractiveInteractive GuideAn explanation of how to read proxy statementsMore: What do CEOs get paid?While declining to comment on specific flights, a spokesman for PNC said its board requires Mr. Rohr and the bank’s president to use corporate aircraft for all personal and business travel. Since Jan. 1, senior executives have had to reimburse the bank for personal travel, at the top rate the FAA allows in jet time-sharing deals. Previously, they had to reimburse only after the value of total perquisites, including travel, topped $50,000 in a year.At Regions Financial in Birmingham, two weeks after the October announcement it would get TARP funds, a company jet took off for a weeklong trip to the U.K., including a three-day stop in Prestwick, Scotland, which is near several famed golf courses. A Regions spokesman declined to discuss the trip but confirmed the Alabama-based bank has no operations in Europe.At the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia a few weeks later, Regions CEO Mr. Ritter was accompanied by other family members, including son Bill, who is also a Regions executive, according to the person familiar with their stay. They rented the seven-bedroom, $4,515-a-night Presidential Suite. The spokesman for Regions said its executives pay for their own accommodations when traveling for personal reasons.The Ritter family has reserved the Presidential Suite for this year’s Thanksgiving weekend, according to the knowledgeable person.They really don’t get it, do they?

GuestJune 18th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

I think history shows that when you increase tax rates, tax revenues decline. People find a way to hide stuff. Cut tax rates and revenues miraculously increase.

GirafJune 18th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Morbid, give me your e-mail and I’ll send you an excel file with the daily NYMEX closes for crude and wholesale gasoline.

AnonymousJune 18th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

Fish,Bees,Now BatsCould it be that Earth is healing/resetting herself.. maybe humans didnt get the MemoPeterJB whats your take?http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-12-voa28.cfmNearly A Million Bats Dead from Mysterious DiseaseHundreds of thousands of bats have died in the northeastern region of the United States. According to some experts, the death toll is close to a million. The bats are succumbing to a disease called White Nose Syndrome, with a white fungus appearing on the nose, ears and wings of the bats

JLCJune 18th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

Washington State’s revenue forecast was revised downward over $600 million from the budget just passed a couple of months ago. We don’t have personal income tax, most revenue is from sales tax and excise taxes on real estate and gross business receipts. Nevertheless, it is surprising that the forecast can be down that much in such a short period of time.State revenues are one of the few things that the spin jockeys can’t manipulate easily. They are telling the real story of what is going on.

ChignosJune 18th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

Well, I’d say the Regions Financial execs get it if they chose Scotland golf over the other destinations chosen by the other bank heads.

Guest blindlyJune 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

w,the reciprocal question that one might ask is”could an other than bank run government do much worse?”we should perform this experiment as soon as possible.i do not subscribe to the idea that we have done so wellfor so long thanks to corruption and usury. i think thesethings destroy the potential and strength of people. wewill see. big changes are in order and, always, for the good.doors, windows,,,,, skylights even, are swinging open.imho.

Wolf in the WildsJune 18th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

The trigger is there: incessant monetisation of deficits. This endangers all savers in USD. And it is somewhat presumptious to say that these savers will not react. If the value of the USD is no longer trusted, it doesn’t matter if there is no other currency choice. Hard assets will have to serve as reserves. And that too could be a trigger for military conflict.As for whether there really are gold reserves in the US, one only needs to look at how much the banks have shorted in the gold markets. There may be some, but it is by no means as high as you think it is. As a country, the US gold reserves could well be depleted. The good thing about the US is the ability to produce food. That could be their reserves. Regardless, it is clear that the USD’s days as a reserve and a transactional currency are numbered. It is also clear that unless the world finds another way to trade, trade itself will suffer.Barter could well be the way forward, but its efficiency is limited. Economic activity will decline.It is now a game of beggar thy neighbour. The only question is who will act first: the savers (reserve holders) or the debtors (US of A).

economicminorJune 18th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

Hey MM, nice hearing from you.Comical in a farcical way.Problem is the math no longer works. I calculate that there is no more room for expansion of debt. Ludicrous that those at the top actually believe there is any room left to increase the burden of debt further.We can no longer service existing debt and the burden is diminishing the real economy making the gap of repayment a total joke… Tax revenues are falling fast and there are millions out of work. Even those who work are making less and then TPTB are glad that the price of gas is going up because it represents inflation vs. deflation…. What an enormous bunch of imbeciles. Marie Antoinettes all. Followed by their Ostrich Society.And their idea of fixing the regulatory problems is to give a totally out of control, unregulated, private bunch of pirates total control of our monetary affairs… This reminds me of some of the stories of the kings of old.Totally insane and the emperor has no clothes on yet no one is willing to tell him so.. At least no one who has his ear.

ChignosJune 18th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

there’s a lotta talk out there about how we finally got out of the great depression after the second world war. note i said AFTER the war, NOT BECAUSE OF the war. that’s because the truth is that none of the government programs got the us out of the depression, nor did the war. the depression ended when americans came home with the sense that they had a future, and decided to work hard to build it.nowadays no american feels that way. why? because government leaders are seen as corrupt tax cheats or liars. if you’re looking for a recovery, you can just forget it as long as geithner is the treasury secretary, bernanke is the head of the fed, or obama is president (unless obama turns away from his present course destined for failure–he may…not everyone has written him off yet, but he doesn’t have much left).when truman said something like “the buck stops here,” americans knew they could take it to the bank. that’s a far cry from obama’s “we inherited this mess, it’s not our fault” (didn’t bart simpson invent that line?) truman became vice president because of his reputation for honesty–because he exposed waste and fraud in military government spending. currently americans are unified in opposing wasteful government spending, but do you hear leaders in washington forcefully speaking out about that?hell no, they’re all about spending as much as possible as fast as possible and damn the torpedoes, we need the stimulus, who cares what it costs….there are a few solid voices—sen. tom coburn from oklahoma comes to mind–but the media is only giving him a little exposure.this blog is about figuring out how to promote ideas that will lead to economic recovery. and my idea is that no such recovery has any chance of beginning until the leadership of this country starts to behave in a fiscally responsible manner. so far, i don’t see any such green shoots. it’s all ragweed.

AnonymousJune 19th, 2009 at 12:16 am

Some posters have said that Obama lacks maturity.Immediately after Indian elections and before results were declared, US officials were caught by the media meeting up with different political parties trying to get a NDA govt in place. The congress party and their friends did not like this at all.Unfortunately, the results went totally the other way. And now the congress party and UPA are in power. So we can expect the US to pay a small price for this diplomatic faux pax.A few years ago Putin had proposed an axis of Russia, China and India. Not wanting to be part of anything that included China, this was politely rebuffed by India. This made Putin very unhappy.Now we have the Indian govt talking to Russia and China, such statements coming out not being refuted…I sense the direction of winds is changing.

AnonymousJune 19th, 2009 at 1:56 am

Chignos…it ended when the ROTW production capacity was obliteratedGermany… dustUK… fallen empireJapan… dustRussia… dustFrench… thought they were an empireItaly… empire wanna bePeople turn to US, the 20th Century Rome was annointedand we wonder why US was really keen on Day bombing on ze Germansand we wonder why the French was so annoyed with the USFurthermore US back then was the World’s No 1 producer/Supplier of oil….then came the 70′s oil shock (predicted by POilers)lack of oil meant US have to moved their production of goods Overseas (lowering cost),backed by the “worlds reserve currency” US ought to Rule the worldBut i guess that plan failed

MarkJune 19th, 2009 at 6:22 am

Do people demand a really just system? Well, we’ll arrange it so that they’ll be satisfied with one that’s a little less unjust … They want a revolution, and we’ll give them reforms — lots of reforms; we’ll drown them in reforms. Or rather, we’ll drown them in promises of reforms, because we’ll never give them real ones either!!- DARIO FO, Accidental Death of an Anarchist

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 6:53 am

$USB (30 yr bond) setting up sucker bounce and sell hard into 2010? expecting yield to shoot up into 2010. brutal.

MarkJune 19th, 2009 at 7:29 am

When saying that it’s an issue of leadership and hard work I’d have to ask: to be lead where? where is people’s hard work to be spent?I think that much of what is occurring is a rebuke of the entire system. People have become, for a lack of a better phrase, “spiritually bankrupt.”I think that people are seeing that the system’s offerings of materialism isn’t all that they were programmed to believe it was. And being oversold on these things, placed in severe debt, I suspect that leadership just won’t have a say in this big change.Mark

MichelleJune 19th, 2009 at 8:12 am

Perhaps the drop in continuing unemployment claims is because of benefits expiration and they are still unemployed. Government statistics can’t be trusted.

economicminorJune 19th, 2009 at 8:39 am

a little addition to your idea is that when the troops came home from the war, the US was then ONLY industrial nation left standing and Congress passed both the GI Bill and the Marshall Plan.At least that debt was into productivity which services itself with real productive value added profits vs the debt we have allowed over the last 30 years which has been based on consumption and paying for responsibilities we refused to deal with by collecting taxes.

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 8:42 am

There have been a series of blog posts about the Fed’s timeline of public statements. When assembled together is it clear that they have obfuscated, misdirected, mislead the American public.If Bernanke and Paulson were doctors, and our economy was the patient, they would be in jail for malpractice. If they were graded for their performance in public, they would have failed, if they had a private sector job, they would have been fired. If they were attached to a lie detector with 500 volt biofeedback, they would have been electrocuted!February 28, 2007 – Dow Jones @ 12,268March 13th, 2007 – Henry Paulson: “the fallout in subprime mortgages is “going to be painful to some lenders, but it is largely contained.” A total lack of understanding of what caused this problem. It was never subprime, it was a dearth of underwritng prudence, which means that the losses will appear everywhere a loan was underwritten (or not underwritten). That is any loan, anywhere. A lot of loans in a lot of places. I think we are figuring this out by now, but my blog readers knew this back in 2007, and profited from it. See the Asset Sercuritization Crisis links at the bottom of the post.March 28th, 2007 – Ben Bernanke: “At this juncture . . . the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained,” Same problem as aboveMarch 30, 2007 – Dow Jones @ 12,354April 20th, 2007 – Paulson: “I don’t see (subprime mortgage market troubles) imposing a serious problem. I think it’s going to be largely contained.” , “All the signs I look at” show “the housing market is at or near the bottom,” Same problem as aboveApril 30, 2007 – Dow Jones @ 13,063May 17th, 2007 – Bernanke: “While rising delinquencies and foreclosures will continue to weigh heavily on the housing market this year, it will not cripple the U.S.” Same problem as aboveMay 31, 2007 – Dow Jones @ 13,627June 20th, 2007 – Bernanke: (the subprime fallout) “will not affect the economy overall.” Same problem as aboveJuly 12th, 2007 – Paulson: “This is far and away the strongest global economy I’ve seen in my business lifetime.” This goes to show you the quality of Paulson’s business lifetime!August 1st, 2007 – Paulson: “I see the underlying economy as being very healthy,” He was probably just lying!October 15th, 2007 – Bernanke: “It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve – nor would it be appropriate – to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions.” He is right. To be honest, he was probably hamstrung between a rock and a hard place, but it really looks bad to have this thrown in your face in public, doesn’t it???December 31, 2007 – Dow Jones @ 13,265January 31, 2008 – Dow Jones @ 12,650February 14th, 2008 – Paulson: (the economy) “is fundamentally strong, diverse and resilient.” Well, if you look at it from a conceptual perspective…February 28th, 2008 – Paulson: “I’m seeing a series of ideas suggested involving major government intervention in the housing market, and these things are usually presented or sold as a way of helping homeowners stay in their homes. Then when you look at them more carefully what they really amount to is a bailout for financial institutions or Wall Street.” Right, everything is going according to plan…February 29th, 2008 – Bernanke: “I expect there will be some failures. I don’t anticipate any serious problems of that sort among the large internationally active banks that make up a very substantial part of our banking system.” Ignorance right here. He really should have been reading my blog. I told him Bear Stearns was going to fail and Lehman had issues the month before – Is this the Breaking of the Bear? Sunday, 27 January 2008March 16th, 2008 – Paulson: “We’ve got strong financial institutions . . . Our markets are the envy of the world. They’re resilient, they’re…innovative, they’re flexible. I think we move very quickly to address situations in this country, and, as I said, our financial institutions are strong.”March 18th, 2008 – Bear Stearns Bailout Announced – I told you so, right on schedule…May 7, 2008 – Paulson: ‘The worst is likely to be behind us,” Need I comment???May 16th, 2008 – Paulson: “In my judgment, we are closer to the end of the market turmoil than the beginning,” he said. That’s what anybody who relies on his judgement espoused in public deserves. I know a few people who are enamored with Fed and Treasury pronouncements… What a shame.May 30, 2008 – Dow Jones @ 12,638June 9th, 2008 – Bernanke: Despite a recent spike in the nation’s unemployment rate, the danger that the economy has fallen into a “substantial downturn” appears to have waned, Okay, if you say so…July 16th, 2008 – Bernanke: (Freddie and Fannie) “…will make it through the storm”, “… in no danger of failing.”,”…adequately capitalized” The ultimate contrarian indicator…July 20th, 2008 – Paulson: “it’s a safe banking system, a sound banking system. Our regulators are on top of it. This is a very manageable situation.” And to think, some people dismiss me because I had bad quarter….July 31, 2008 – Dow Jones @ 11,378August 10th, 2008 – Paulson: “We have no plans to insert money into either of those two institutions.” (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) That reminds me of the joke where the bill collector calls and asks when he can expect payment. The guy on the other end of the phone says, “You can EXPECT payment whenever you damn well please!”September 8th, 2008 – Fannie and Freddie nationalized. The taxpayer is on the hook for an estimated 1 – 1.5 trillion dollars. Over 5 trillion is added to the nation’s balance sheet. Whoa!September 16th, 2008 – $85 Billion AIG Bailout “Loan” Whoa! again.September 19th, 2008 – $700 Billion Bailout Plan Announced Whoa! cubed…September 19th, 2008 – Paulson: “We’re talking hundreds of billions of dollars – this needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get at the heart of the problem,” he said. “This is the way we stabilize the system.” The mathematically challenged Treasury Secretary and ex-Goldman CEO, or does he think we are mathematially challenged?September 19th, 2008 – Bernanke: “most severe financial crisis” in the post-World War II era. Investment banks are seeing “tremendous runs on their cash,” Bernanke said. “Without action, they will fail soon.” There it goes. Should we expect a similar reversal on the Green Shoots Theorem as well?September 21st, 2008 – Paulson: “The credit markets are still very fragile right now and frozen”, “We need to deal with this and deal with it quickly.”, “The financial security of all Americans … depends on our ability to restore our financial institutions to a sound footing.” I really shouldn’t comment any further…September 23rd, 2008 – Paulson: “We must [enact a program quickly] in order to avoid a continuing series of financial institution failures and frozen credit markets that threaten American families’ financial well-being, the viability of businesses, both small and large, and the very health of our economy,” Whoa! to the fourth degreeSeptember 23rd, 2008 – Bernanke: “My interest is solely for the strength and recovery of the U.S. economy,” Why doesn’t the Fed and the Treasury spend some of that TARP money to spring for a subscription to my blog?October 31, 2008 – Dow Jones @ 9,337March 31, 2009 – Dow Jones @ 7,609http://boombustblog.com/200906181011/I-ve-always-said-that-the-Bernanke-and-Paulson-lack-credibility-accuracy-and-quite-possibly-veraci.htmlhttp://austrianfilter.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.htmlhttp://cafe.comebackalive.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39471

The AlarmistJune 19th, 2009 at 8:43 am

Most likely not in July, as all the important players will be on holiday … that’s why the big crashes and corrections tend to happen in the fall, when the kids are back in school and serious minds can get back to serious business.

The AlarmistJune 19th, 2009 at 8:46 am

Oh, and about the Dark Ages … as long as the G-8, G-20, whatever are still relatively organised, I doubt we are going to slip back into a world lit by fire with roving bands of marauders pillaging and plundering the country-side … Oh, wait. I forgot that gangs had alread branched out of the inner cities of the US and into the burbs.Never mind, Dark Ages already seem to be upon us.

The AlarmistJune 19th, 2009 at 8:49 am

Gee, it’s the 1960s & ’70s all over again.Better get out my WIN button and cancel that trip to Tehran and Kabul.

The AlarmistJune 19th, 2009 at 8:51 am

Well, actually it seems like they do get it … they’ve got it, and they’re using it, while the rest of you eat your hearts out.Suckers. If you can’t beat them, join them.

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 9:36 am

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2009/06/june-17-2009-40-ways-to-lose-your.htmlPeople have been asking how we see the future unfold. In case you wonder what we stand for, much of our view of what’s to come can be found in the primers on the right-hand side bar. Here is an additional brief summary (in no particular order and not meant to be exhaustive) of the ground we have consistently covered here at TAE over the last year and a half, and before that elsewhere.Deflation is inevitable due to Ponzi dynamics (see From the Top of the Great Pyramid)The collapse of credit will crash the money supply as credit is the vast majority of the effective money supplyCash will be king for a long timePrinting one’s way out of deflation is impossible as printing cannot keep pace with credit destruction (the net effect is contraction)Debt will become a millstone around people’s necks and bankruptcy will no longer be possible at some pointIn the future the consequences of unpayable debt could include indentured servitude, debtor’s prison or being drummed into the militaryEarly withdrawls from pension plans will be prevented and almost all pension plans will eventually defaultWe will see a systemic banking crisis that will result in bank runs and the loss of savingsPrices will fall across the board as purchasing power collapsesReal estate prices are likely to fall by at least 90% on average (with local variation)The essentials will see relative price support as a much larger percentage of a much smaller money supply chases themWe are headed eventually for a bond market dislocation where nominal interest rates will shoot up into the double digitsReal interest rates will be even higher (the nominal rate minus negative inflation)This will cause a tsunami of debt default which is highly deflationaryGovernment spending (all levels) will be slashed, with loss of entitlements and inability to maintain infrastructureFinance rules will be changed at will and changes applied retroactively (eg short selling will be banned, loans will be called in at some point)Centralized services (water, electricity, gas, education, garbage pick-up, snow-removal etc) will become unreliable and of much lower quality, or may be eliminated entirelySuburbia is a trap due to its dependence on these services and cheap energy for transportPeople with essentially no purchasing power will be living in a pay-as-you-go worldModern healthcare will be largely unavailable and informal care will generally be very basicUniversities will go out of business as no one will be able to afford to attendCash hoarding will continue to reduce the velocity of money, amplifying the effect of deflationThe US dollar will continue to rise for quite a while on a flight to safety and as dollar-denominated debt deflatesEventually the dollar will collapse, but that time is not now (and a falling dollar does not mean an expanding money supply, ie inflation)Deflation and depression are mutually reinforcing in a positive feedback spiral, so both are likely to be protractedThere should be no lasting market bottom until at least the middle of the next decade, and even then the depression won’t be overMuch capital will be revealed as having been converted to waste during the cheap energy/cheap credit yearsExport markets will collapse with global trade and exporting countries will be hit very hardHerding behaviour is the foundation of marketsThe flip side of the manic optimism we saw in the bubble years will be persistent pessimism, risk aversion, anger, scapegoating, recrimination, violence and the election of dangerous populist extremistsA sense of common humanity will be lost as foreigners and those who are different are demonizedThere will be war in the labour markets as unempoyment skyrockets and wages and benefits are slashedWe are headed for resource wars, which will result in much resource and infrastructure destructionEnergy prices are first affected by demand collapse, then supply collapse, so that prices first fall and then rise enormouslyOrdinary people are unlikely to be able to afford oil products AT ALL within 5 yearsHard limits to capital and energy will greatly reduce socioeconomic complexity (see Tainter)Political structures exist to concentrate wealth at the centre at the expense of the periphery, and this happens at all scales simultaneouslyTaxation will rise substantially as the domestic population is squeezed in order for the elite to partially make up for the loss of the ability to pick the pockets of the whole world through globalizationRepressive political structures will arise, with much greater use of police state methods and a drastic reduction of freedomThe rule of law will replaced by the politics of the personal and an economy of favours (ie endemic corruption)

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 9:37 am

The American Empire Is Bankrupthttp://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090614_the_american_empire_is_bankrupt/Posted on Jun 14, 2009By Chris HedgesThis week marks the end of the dollar’s reign as the world’s reserve currency. It marks the start of a terrible period of economic and political decline in the United States. And it signals the last gasp of the American imperium. That’s over. It is not coming back. And what is to come will be very, very painful.Barack Obama, and the criminal class on Wall Street, aided by a corporate media that continues to peddle fatuous gossip and trash talk as news while we endure the greatest economic crisis in our history, may have fooled us, but the rest of the world knows we are bankrupt. And these nations are damned if they are going to continue to prop up an inflated dollar and sustain the massive federal budget deficits, swollen to over $2 trillion, which fund America’s imperial expansion in Eurasia and our system of casino capitalism. They have us by the throat. They are about to squeeze.There are meetings being held Monday and Tuesday in Yekaterinburg, Russia, (formerly Sverdlovsk) among Chinese President Hu Jintao, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and other top officials of the six-nation Shanghai Cooperation Organization. The United States, which asked to attend, was denied admittance. Watch what happens there carefully. The gathering is, in the words of economist Michael Hudson, “the most important meeting of the 21st century so far.”It is the first formal step by our major trading partners to replace the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. If they succeed, the dollar will dramatically plummet in value, the cost of imports, including oil, will skyrocket, interest rates will climb and jobs will hemorrhage at a rate that will make the last few months look like boom times. State and federal services will be reduced or shut down for lack of funds. The United States will begin to resemble the Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe. Obama, endowed by many with the qualities of a savior, will suddenly look pitiful, inept and weak. And the rage that has kindled a handful of shootings and hate crimes in the past few weeks will engulf vast segments of a disenfranchised and bewildered working and middle class. The people of this class will demand vengeance, radical change, order and moral renewal, which an array of proto-fascists, from the Christian right to the goons who disseminate hate talk on Fox News, will assure the country they will impose.I called Hudson, who has an article in Monday’s Financial Times called “The Yekaterinburg Turning Point: De-Dollarization and the Ending of America’s Financial-Military Hegemony.” “Yekaterinburg,” Hudson writes, “may become known not only as the death place of the czars but of the American empire as well.” His article is worth reading, along with John Lanchester’s disturbing exposé of the world’s banking system, titled “It’s Finished,” which appeared in the May 28 issue of the London Review of Books.“This means the end of the dollar,” Hudson told me. “It means China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iran are forming an official financial and military area to get America out of Eurasia. The balance-of-payments deficit is mainly military in nature. Half of America’s discretionary spending is military. The deficit ends up in the hands of foreign banks, central banks. They don’t have any choice but to recycle the money to buy U.S. government debt. The Asian countries have been financing their own military encirclement. They have been forced to accept dollars that have no chance of being repaid. They are paying for America’s military aggression against them. They want to get rid of this.”China, as Hudson points out, has already struck bilateral trade deals with Brazil and Malaysia to denominate their trade in China’s yuan rather than the dollar, pound or euro. Russia promises to begin trading in the ruble and local currencies. The governor of China’s central bank has openly called for the abandonment of the dollar as reserve currency, suggesting in its place the use of the International Monetary Fund’s Special Drawing Rights. What the new system will be remains unclear, but the flight from the dollar has clearly begun. The goal, in the words of the Russian president, is to build a “multipolar world order” which will break the economic and, by extension, military domination by the United States. China is frantically spending its dollar reserves to buy factories and property around the globe so it can unload its U.S. currency. This is why Aluminum Corp. of China made so many major concessions in the failed attempt to salvage its $19.5 billion alliance with the Rio Tinto mining concern in Australia. It desperately needs to shed its dollars.“China is trying to get rid of all the dollars they can in a trash-for-resource deal,” Hudson said. “They will give the dollars to countries willing to sell off their resources since America refuses to sell any of its high-tech industries, even Unocal, to the yellow peril. It realizes these dollars are going to be worthless pretty quickly.”The architects of this new global exchange realize that if they break the dollar they also break America’s military domination. Our military spending cannot be sustained without this cycle of heavy borrowing. The official U.S. defense budget for fiscal year 2008 is $623 billion, before we add on things like nuclear research. The next closest national military budget is China’s, at $65 billion, according to the Central Intelligence Agency.There are three categories of the balance-of-payment deficits. America imports more than it exports. This is trade. Wall Street and American corporations buy up foreign companies. This is capital movement. The third and most important balance-of-payment deficit for the past 50 years has been Pentagon spending abroad. It is primarily military spending that has been responsible for the balance-of-payments deficit for the last five decades. Look at table five in the Balance of Payments Report, published in the Survey of Current Business quarterly, and check under military spending. There you can see the deficit.To fund our permanent war economy, we have been flooding the world with dollars. The foreign recipients turn the dollars over to their central banks for local currency. The central banks then have a problem. If a central bank does not spend the money in the United States then the exchange rate against the dollar will go up. This will penalize exporters. This has allowed America to print money without restraint to buy imports and foreign companies, fund our military expansion and ensure that foreign nations like China continue to buy our treasury bonds. This cycle appears now to be over. Once the dollar cannot flood central banks and no one buys our treasury bonds, our empire collapses. The profligate spending on the military, some $1 trillion when everything is counted, will be unsustainable.“We will have to finance our own military spending,” Hudson warned, “and the only way to do this will be to sharply cut back wage rates. The class war is back in business. Wall Street understands that. This is why it had Bush and Obama give it $10 trillion in a huge rip-off so it can have enough money to survive.”The desperate effort to borrow our way out of financial collapse has promoted a level of state intervention unseen since World War II. It has also led us into uncharted territory.“We have in effect had to declare war to get us out of the hole created by our economic system,” Lanchester wrote in the London Review of Books. “There is no model or precedent for this, and no way to argue that it’s all right really, because under such-and-such a model of capitalism … there is no such model. It isn’t supposed to work like this, and there is no road-map for what’s happened.”The cost of daily living, from buying food to getting medical care, will become difficult for all but a few as the dollar plunges. States and cities will see their pension funds drained and finally shut down. The government will be forced to sell off infrastructure, including roads and transport, to private corporations. We will be increasingly charged by privatized utilities—think Enron—for what was once regulated and subsidized. Commercial and private real estate will be worth less than half its current value. The negative equity that already plagues 25 percent of American homes will expand to include nearly all property owners. It will be difficult to borrow and impossible to sell real estate unless we accept massive losses. There will be block after block of empty stores and boarded-up houses. Foreclosures will be epidemic. There will be long lines at soup kitchens and many, many homeless. Our corporate-controlled media, already banal and trivial, will work overtime to anesthetize us with useless gossip, spectacles, sex, gratuitous violence, fear and tawdry junk politics. America will be composed of a large dispossessed underclass and a tiny empowered oligarchy that will run a ruthless and brutal system of neo-feudalism from secure compounds. Those who resist will be silenced, many by force. We will pay a terrible price, and we will pay this price soon, for the gross malfeasance of our power elite.

Alex GreyJune 19th, 2009 at 9:46 am

I follow Roubini, Krugman, Rosenberg, Albert Edwards and Stephen Roach and Robert Shiller as closely as I can. So it is interesting to see the slight shifts in their relative positions over time. Right now I would say Krugman is gloomier than Roubini, in suggesting that the global economy could experience a lost decade. Rosenberg is positive that the US economy will relapse into recession very shortly if it even succeeds in emerging from the current recession. Eichengreen has also emerged on the scene with a big splash pointing out that the global economy has been tracking or performing worse in some aspects than it did in 1929-30 – for Eichengeen there is no question that the global economy is in a depression. Roubini seems less negative now. I think these differences in opinion reflect slight differences in view – in particular differences in the view about Japan. My impression is that Roubini adopts a more conventional US view that Japan’s policy mistakes aware the cause of its “lost decade”. I have the impression that Krugman does not place nearly so much blame on Japanese policy. If anything Eichengreen’s data on the global economy suggest something very profound is happening in many countries, which suggests that policy mistakes are not to blame. In other words, if policy mistakes were to blame for Japan’s lost decade why is the global economy experiencing something worse than the Japanese slump and comparable or worse than the Great Depression. I come back to Galbraith’s view of the Great Depression, which emphasised major structural weaknesses in the US (and by implication other economies). In this vein, I took note of Stephen Roach’s comment that the U.S. economy “is sick”. My own view, which I have stick to, is the Japan’s lost decade is the upper bound for the global economy; the lower bound is the Great Depression. So far the global economy is moving close to the lower bound of this forecast range.

MM CAJune 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am

The Central valley of California looks the heart has been ripped out of it. It should be declared an economic disaster zone from sacramneto to bakersfield. Empty stores, houses, 20% unemployment, not enough water for farming crops, etc… Houses in modesto and Fresno for 25k-50k – decent ones too…Housing inventory increase expectedA wave of foreclosures is expected to hit Las Vegas as banks lift a voluntary moratorium that was extended from March to the end of May, though nobody has an accurate estimate of how many bank-owned homes will be added to an already bulging inventory.The total number of homes for sale in Las Vegas declined to 16,202 in April, compared with 21,338 in the same month a year ago, Las Vegas-based SalesTraq reported.Real estate-owned, or bank-owned inventory stood at 14,722, up from 11,628 a year ago, but down from the previous two months.Housing analyst Larry Murphy of SalesTraq said he’s heard there could be an inventory of unreleased bank-owned homes ranging from 20,000 to 30,000. It’s an impossible number for anyone to “get their arms around,” he said.”This thing is like a cloud of mystery out there. We can all hypothesize,” Murphy said.Bank-owned inventory came down in March and April, and Murphy said he’s waiting to see May’s data to draw any conclusions.The country is still in the “middle innings” of the bursting of the great housing bubble, said Whitney Tilson, principal of New York investment firm T2 Partners. He recently published a 75-page report that said there’s more pain to come.It takes an average of 15 months from the first missed mortgage payment to a trustee sale of the home, usually by auction, he said. The subprime loans that defaulted in early 2007 led to the wave of foreclosures in 2008.”We predicted in early 2008 that it would get so bad that it would require large-scale government intervention, which has occurred, and we’re not finished yet,” Tilson said.Given that other types of loans with longer reset dates are now starting to default at catastrophic rates, the “sober implications” are for foreclosures and auctions to extend into 2009 and beyond, driving home prices down further, he said.More than $200 billion in option ARMs are still outstanding, including $29 billion that will reset by the end of this year and another $67 billion that will reset in 2010, according to Washington, D.C.-based Zuckerman Spaeder. The average borrower’s mortgage payment of $1,672 will increase by $1,053.Alexis McGee of Sacramento, Calif.-based Foreclosures.com said there’s a “phantom” inventory of repossessed properties not showing up for sale on the Multiple Listing Service. Only about 30 percent of them are listed on the market, McGee said.Foreclosures.com counted 18,505 real estate-owned homes in Clark County through April, compared with 7,251 a year ago. Preforeclosures rose to 33,917 in the first four months, up from 20,363 a year ago.The foreclosure inventory in Las Vegas has dried up for now, Earl Crouse of Better Homes Realty said. He expects it to stay that way until the fourth quarter.Banks are “stepping up” to comply with the Obama administration’s guidelines to keep people in their homes, Crouse said. Some banks are renting homes back to previous owners.”They know they’re stabilizing the market by pulling back (on bank-owned inventory) and getting multiple cash offers for anything $125,000 to $200,000,” he said. “Banks are going to lose anyway, but it’s less they’re going to lose.”Tim Kelly Kiernan of ReMax Brodkin Group said the current foreclosure inventory is “being picked over pretty good” with lots of cash deals. Lenders are being more flexible in negotiations, he said.His research indicates that banks are indeed holding back hundreds of thousands of properties nationwide. There were nearly 500 notices of default filed in Las Vegas on June 8, he said.”That is just one day, so if we just do the math, more foreclosures are coming and fast,” Kiernan said. “Unless the Obama administration does something to stop this, home values will continue to fall.”Murphy of SalesTraq said he agrees with most of the conclusions in T2 Partners’ report from a national standpoint.However, Las Vegas has been on the leading edge of everything that’s happened in the housing market, from skyrocketing appreciation and home sales to the subprime mortgage crisis and foreclosure problems.”I think things happening nationally are six months behind what’s happening in Las Vegas and Sacramento,” Murphy said. “I think we’ve already gone through most of the pain in Las Vegas.”Both Las Vegas and Sacramento have reported significant increases in resales over the past 12 months. Prices are still slipping, but not as much. The Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors showed a 1.8 percent decline in the median price for May, or about $1,700, compared with monthly declines of $10,000 in previous months.http://www.lvrj.com/business/48421767.html

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 10:22 am

“China is frantically spending its dollar reserves to buy factories and property around the globe so it can unload its U.S. currency.”This makes a lot of sense to me. Wouldn’t you do the same?

CuriousGeorgeJune 19th, 2009 at 10:41 am

Yes it make sense.How long will it take for them to spend all that they must in order to sustain themselves against a US$ collapse? [The article quoted leads one to believe that US$ collapse is imminent.]Also, what will the US$ be worth in terms of Euro, Yen, Yuan, Canadian dollar at the collapsed level?

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 11:00 am

thanks for putting the work in to pulling that together. I think if we kept a running commentary of what these guys said, it would end up looking farcical. Let’s hope that for history’s sake, somebody is doing just that.

FEDupJune 19th, 2009 at 11:22 am

excellent post! I hope people take 5 minutes to hear this. Until full transparency and disclosure is required by all government agencies as well as the mega corporations, the public will remain un or mis informed and will have to blindly trust our politicians to make the right choices for the American people: LOL!

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Demise of the dollar not so swift?”We can conclude that the first BRIC summit was a much-needed first step in a journey that could well overhaul global economic architecture in decades to come. However, as things stand now, internal dissent within that group, the lack of common interests and any vision towards achieving longer-term sustainable growth implies that future meetings could easily descend into the farce in which the first one ended.”Chan Akya Asia Times

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Front Line should have hired Ritholtz !TARP Was An Elaborate Ruse To Bailout Citigroup (Video),Barry Ritholtz presents an interesting theory in Bailout Nation, which he discussed in more detail recently. Briefly, he suggests the possibility that Paulson forced all the banks to take TARP funds to provide cover for Citigroup, whom he contends was the only bank that needed immediate assistance.While he’s correct that Citigroup was (and remains) the least stable and most insolvent of all the recipients, every bank needed a psychological pop that only fresh and government-cheap capital could provide. The dominoes were falling quickly and the grim perception was that all could be brought down by insolvency fears.Was Lehman any more insolvent than Morgan Stanley or Goldman, if all firms were forced to consider level 2 & 3 assets? Of course not. You see the reasoning and can imagine the fear it instilled in government officials. I believe Paulson was acting to boost the perception of solvency for the entire group. Months later, with changes to fair-value accounting, the insolvency perception remains paramount in the minds of certain analysts and bloggers, though the green-shoot camp seems happily content with ‘whistling by the graveyard.’And for the record, Citigroup has received $45 billion in TARP funds, a $306 billion taxpayer guarantee of assets, billions in recently-issued, FDIC-backed debt, access to TALF and other Fed programs PLUS at least $5 billion in payouts from AIG. Is there anything I’ve missed?Two short clips from Ritholtz including his views on the overall market and economy for the second-half of ’09.http://dailybail.com/home/ritholtz-tarp-was-an-elaborate-ruse-to-bailout-citigroup-vid.html

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

How low do you propose tax rates should be? Why not make them zero? Is there any reasonable tax rate?

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Thanks MM CA. That was very interesting. I have to digest this more, but it presents a plausible scenario for deep deflation.That was also the case in 1930-1933 and somehow the Fed was able to print enough paper money to overcome deflation. Then the propaganda started telling everyone how good inflation is for their future. Vintage pro-inflation propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Dzdc1H0wM

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

You know those “overly pessimistic” soothsayers everyone talks about in a recession / depression? You’re it!

GuestJune 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Hey, I guess all that time and money you spent amasing guns and ammo will pay off. Not! I’ve got a bit more faith in humanity than Rambo (Mr. Hollywood). Your world sucks no matter what. Seeing the humanity in people, irrespective of the financial times is a better world. Go shoot some squirrels and seriously consider to stop viewing the hollywood trash movies!

economicminorJune 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

Raise taxes or raise the cost of goods and services, it is has the same effect on the consumer. Less available money to spend on disposable goods, which is the mainstay of the economy.What’s the diff?Only who gets the benefit..So rather than the people getting any benefit, it will be just those with connection that get them….UNTIL Humpty Dumpty falls off the wall for good… And I have been unable to derive a plan yet that will save HD.

DaveJune 20th, 2009 at 8:41 am

I’m interested in your weather powerpoint. Where can it be found? Thanks.And why July, if I may ask?It is in Christ where truth is to be found. When we are in him. He is in us.

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