Nouriel Roubini’s Latest Interviews at Bloomberg TV and CNBC in Hong Kong and China
4/20/2009 – CNBC – Roubini: US to Grow 0.5% Next Year (click here for video)
CNBC – Roubini: US to Grow 0.5% Next Year
Nouriel Roubini, chairman of RGE Monitor & the famed economist who predicted the crisis 3 years ago, says the U.S. and UK’s prescriptions for their banks are just the opposite of the tough advice given to emerging markets in the Asian financial crisis. He speaks to CNBC’s Martin Soong.
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4/21/2009 – Bloomberg – Roubini Says Stocks Rebound Is a ‘Bear Market Rally” (click here for video)
Roubini Says Stocks Rebound Is a ‘Bear Market Rally’ April 21 (Bloomberg) — Nouriel Roubini, the New York University professor who predicted the financial crisis, speaks with Bloomberg’s Bernard Lo about the outlook for global stocks. Roubini, speaking yesterday in Hong Kong, also discusses the U.S. banking industry and his forecast for the nation’s economy. (This is an excerpt. Source: Bloomberg)
70 Responses to “Nouriel Roubini’s Latest Interviews at Bloomberg TV and CNBC in Hong Kong and China”
Pecos Banker • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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RED • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
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PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
@ blindman – previous article”Here’s am excerpt from the San Francisco Chronicle explaining the mystery: “Lenders nationwide are sitting on hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes that they have not resold or listed for sale, according to numerous data sources. And foreclosures, which banks unload at fire-sale prices, are a major factor driving home values down.”“’We believe there are in the neighborhood of 600,000 properties nationwide that banks have repossessed but not put on the market,’ said Rick Sharga, vice president of RealtyTrac, which compiles nationwide statistics on foreclosures. ‘California probably represents 80,000 of those homes. It could be disastrous if the banks suddenly flooded the market with those distressed properties. You’d have further depreciation and carnage.’”@ blindmanFascinatingly stupid and most unexpected which obviously brings a major shock wave (tsunami) to the US real economy, and damned soon. I wonder if all those involved actually collaborated on this actioning or did they all do it by themselves? A question that needs to be asked.Whatever, when this bites in, it’s going to bring a lot of instant pain, to the unwashed masses.I have been wondering for some time if similar intended distortions of the housing market by the Bankers will, in the final analysis, bring legal action and consequences for losses from buyers on homes, bought on the strength (or total lie) of the timely issued statements by the Banks, the regulators and the Government, at the time leading up to the purchase.IOW, if I chose to buy a home when the Bank said… all was good, and the Government said all is great… buy, buy, buy and the Regulators like the FedRes said something like, there is no cause for concern – nothing will impact this and that… and then, after my legal commitment, the house value drops 65% or so, taxes increase substantially, local council goes bankrupt, bankers gets in my face wanting more deposit, or whatever – etc., etc.,Surely, legal recourse is the next step? Will government create a Bankers protection Act to protect them from legal recourse?I am wondering if the reported premeditated distortions of the housing markets by Banks has become a global agreement er, strategy, amongst the Holy Alliance of Central Banks and their Affiliated, chaired by the FedRes?Is there anyone with any insights into the depth of this atrocity?Ho hum
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
G. Edward Griffin wrote the “pessimistic scenario” below in 1994. Incredibly, it is now unfolding before our eyes.***********A pessimistic scenario of future events include a banking crisis, followed by a government bailout and the eventually nationalization of all banks. The final cost is staggering and is paid with money created by the Federal Reserve. It is passed on to the public in the form of inflation.Further inflation is caused by the continual expansion of welfare programs, socialized medicine, entitlement programs, and interest on the national debt. The dollar is finally abandoned as the de facto currency of the world. Trillions of dollars are sent back to the United States by foreign investors to be converted as quickly as possible into tangible assets. That causes even greater inflation than before. So massive is the inflationary pressure that industry and commerce come to a halt. Barter becomes the means of exchange. America takes her place among the depressed nations of South America, Africa, and Asia—mired together in economic equality.Politicians seize upon the opportunity and offer bold reforms. The reforms are more of exactly what created the problem in the first place: expanded governmental power, new regulatory agencies, and more restrictions on freedom. But this time, the programs begin to take on an international flavor. The American dollar is replaced by a new UN money, and the Federal Reserve System becomes a branch operation of the IMF/World Bank.Electronic transfers gradually replace cash and checking accounts. This permits UN agencies to monitor the financial activities of every person. A machine-readable ID card is used for the purpose. If an individual is red flagged by any government agency, the card does not clear, and he is cut off from all economic transactions and travel. It is the ultimate control.Increasing violence in the streets from revolutionary movements and ethnic clashes provide an excuse for martial law. The public is happy to see UN soldiers checking ID cards. The police-state arrives in the name of public safety.Eventually all private dwellings are taken over by the government as a result of bailing out the home-mortgage industry. Rental property is also taken, as former landlords are unable to pay property taxes. People are allowed to live in these dwellings at reasonable cost, or no cost at all. It gradually becomes clear, however, that the government is now the owner of all homes and apartments. People are living in them only at the pleasure of the government. They can be reassigned at any time.Wages and prices are controlled. Dissidents are placed into work armies. There are no more autos except for the ruling elite. Public transportation is provided for the masses, and those with limited skills live in government housing within walking distance of their assigned jobs. Men have been reduced to the level of serfs who are subservient to their masters. Their condition of life can only be described as high-tech feudalism. (The Creature from Jekyll Island, pp. 562-563)THE NEW FEUDALISM! My country, my country, my country…
ex VRWC • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
@PeterJB,Remember the strategy in place, my friend. The strategy, as I have pointed out before, is to first ensure the downside from these toxic assets (ie, these foreclosed homes which are losses waiting to happen) is places where it ‘belongs’ – on the taxpayers. Once this happens through the charade known as the PPIF plan, they will feel much more free to unleash the downside on the housing market, confident that Uncle Sam and the FDIC is sitting there waiting to reimburse them.Beyond this is the next atrocity, whereby savers (or hoarders as they will be called) pay the ultimate penalty. When it becomes clear the FDIC cannot possibly pay for all this downside, they will devise a means to ‘cram down’ FDIC guarantees. In other works, your FDIC guarantee will be worth, say, 50 cents on the dollar, or less. They will do this in the interests of ‘saving’ the economy.Many have been calling for 75% home price crash, peak to trough. If that happens, legal action won’t matter anymore.Mark
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
@guest”Clinton “mortal threat” in Pakistan as Taliban moves toward Pakistani capital. Coming soon-the “war of mass distraction” we all anticipated”Very true I can tell you for sure that taliban are incapable of overthrowing pak govt in next 100 years. The only way they can do it is if they get support of the public and only way they will get public support is by us propaganda machine. Cause more pressure us puts on pakistan, more antiamercanism and more support for taliban. They cite example of afghanistan(from CNN) but fail to mention afghan population is 25m+ on ther other hand pakistan population is 170m+ and pakistan have 12 million standing army and 1/2 million reserve. You tell me can few thousand taliban take over that country in a week. This is naked propaganda to put preesure on pakistan to make her aligned with us interests in the region one of which is to elevate india to tackle china in the region. There are reports that some of those taliban groups are being armed by us herself via Israel and india. Also remember today foriegn minister of israel said Afghan Pakistan region is more of a threat to israel than Iran is. Connect the dots. Us is persuing multi objective policy in the region which have destabilized the whole region. Would love to hear from PeterJB
PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
@ MarkThanks for the comment.I see this whole episode as serious Fraud that is, organized Fraud and I do seriously wonder just how far abroad from the USA this actioning has advanced or permeated. And, from which point this – dare I say Policy – emanated? Or, was it the FedRes through their collaborative schema of Global Central Banks and Affiliates.Or, has this schema (Policy?) been implemented in other countries such as Australia?Ho hum
Anonymous • April 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
8th!
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Repost from prvious thread:Any hope when this bear will start making money in this market?Or is it that US QE (unlike Japanese QE) is not something to fight against.Hide reply Reply to this comment By TiredBear on 2009-04-22 13:17:26Bide your time.Obama, Geithner and Summers have made their power play. They decided in favor of the Wall Street banks and against the people. The cards they have played are now dealt. Temporarily they may have stabilized the big banks (we’ll see). But they have also set in motion a series of falling domino’s in the real economy of America. Now they’ve got to sit it out … and see what happens.Today GM went down.Chrysler and Ford are not far behind.Newspapers are going out of business.Commerical RE is crashing.A wave of corporate bankruptcies is coming.A wave of regional bank failures is coming.Bottom line, and this is critical …Where (and when) does US unemployment hit its peak value?That will be a biggy.PeteCAHide replies Reply to this comment By PeteCA on 2009-04-22 14:05:16HI PETEMy guess, and I’m no seer, unemployment with significant underemployment and giveups has already hit about half of America. Is this as bad as the Great Depression? Most economists say no, because GDP needs like a 25% decline.That may likely be on the horizon now. Just wait until later this year, when the stimulus cash is sucked dry for local governments and unemployment; couple this with massive property tax devaluations coming soon at a theater near you. I see teacher layoffs coming then, like LA already is experiencing.Put lots of cash in your cash cans bloggers and get out of debt as fast as you can, if you haven’t already.Reply to this comment By Softwarengineer on 2009-04-22 14:26:33 Unemployment will not stop until it reaches approc 22-28% U6 and 12-16% normal. Translation about 30-40 million out of work when all is said and done. corporate profits dropped over 80% for the fortune 500 in the past year… how many companies can ward off laying people off at that number… not many…. And small and medium size business has tanked…. they are cutting faster than fortune 500′s. And at the end of the day, and for the next few years who really needs anything other than food and housing… Consumption is not coming back anytime soon. it will be 3-5 years before people have to buy crap they dont need again… They have played this entire crisis wrong, NO ONE has any confidence in what any form of Govt is doing, NO ONE trusts the banks or wall street or Fortune 500′s anymore. they have totally pissed off most Americans and unfortunatley since none of us ever controlled the the pruse strings ever, we have to live through this mess that the PTB have created. I just hope their lives become as hard and at times miserable as msot Americans. Actually the PTB will never adjust, unlike most Americans who will and are starting to…Reply to this comment By MM CA on 2009-04-22 16:00:55
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I think the bankers have developed an underground futures market for foreclosed homes (intentionally or not), and we can say the foreclosed home prices are now in BACKWARDATION!!
PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“Would love to hear from PeterJB”@ Guest on 2009-04-22 15:45:38I must wonder why you would ask me to comment as I am not a US citizen and don’t live in the USA either.But, as you insist, I see US foreign and domestic Policies as irrational and an attempt at glorified and sanctioned insanity. None of it makes sense; has no rationality and reminds me of the legend of Don Quixote.On the other hand I find repressive fundamental religious oppression also insanity and the quicker we cast out these vermin and feral that wear rags and cloaks and hoods, etc., ad nauseum, from the affairs of our hearts and minds and labour, the goddamn better.I like freedom and very small Government (VVSG) and VVSHB (very very small horizontal banks) and un-empowered bureaucrats and my definition of freedom is as follows:FREEDOMMinding your own goddamn business and keeping your goddamn hands out of other peoples goddamn pockets!(You can quote me).To conclude, the USA leadership, as well as the global “leadership” is done, that is to say, they are not up to even the basic intelligence requirements required for today and tomorrow and I don’t even mention “intellect”.Global “Leadership” has been “stress tested” and they are all bankrupt!Hope that this helps.
>Ho hum
The scourge of economists • April 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
NB is getting a bit to repetitive. Is it just that he enjoys his fame or does he get paid for his tv appearances. (I would demand payment, must be boring)
PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
@ MarkI believe that you are correct as we know that there are many cashed-up investment groups buying US property at fire sales and dealing directly with the Banks (we have had discussions before in these pages some months back) and that is the more puzzling as to why this sudden pent up volume of undeclared foreclosed houses??Is it as you say – Bankers Blackmail to acquire more public funds?? The “clamp-down” is selective inflation; a crime the ‘Gov-assist’ central-bank man always loves to play.However, my interest is in the extent that this as a Policy, if it is, has extended overseas which suggests massive global fraud emanating from the FedRes.@ g: As for the underground futures market, that appears to have existed for some time and is alive and well (Well, I thought it was) until perhaps now?Ho hum
devils advocate • April 22nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Dr. Roubini has it wrong – oh, not analysis – but about the market psychosis”the stock maket” is ignoring reality – it is psychoticthe good doctor says that markets do not predict/anticipate recessionstherefore, recessions do not predict/anticipate markets
PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
‘cram down’: apologies
Anonymous • April 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Dr. Alan Keyes 4 MUST WATCH VIDEOS!!!http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
PeterJB. Watch your mouth!Mom
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
doctor ? you put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up and say doctor
PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
This appears relevant:Senator’s Husband’s Firm Cashes in on CrisisBy Chuck NeubauerApril 22, 2009 “Washington Times” — On the day the new Congress convened this year, Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband’s real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms.Mrs. Feinstein’s intervention on behalf of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was unusual: the California Democrat isn’t a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with jurisdiction over FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments – not direct federal dollars.http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22474.htmHo hum
PeterJB • April 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Sorry Mom, butHo hum anyway
Hayes • April 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
In case anyone thought that there was no political influence being brought to bear on the media to talk up the economy there is this:Drama at GE shareholders meeting (via Drudge)”Things got testy Wednesday at the GE shareholders meeting courtesy of several complaints about political bias at its media division, NBC Universal.Just don’t expect to see the fireworks at the company’s webcast of Wednesday’s event, which contains prepared remarks from CEO Jeff Immelt and CFO Keith Sherin but leaves out their interaction with shareholders.Just before GE board members were re-elected, shareholders asked about 10 questions of a mostly political nature concerning the viewpoints of MSNBC and CNBC, according to attendees.First up was a woman asking about a reported meeting in which Immelt and NBC Uni CEO Jeff Zucker supposedly told top CNBC executives and talent to be less critical of President Obama and his policies.Immelt acknowledged a meeting took place but said no one at CNBC was told what to say or not say about politics. …”http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i888016761f9ec824f862a5c265de605c
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
You are absolutely right, there can be no similarity between Afghanistan and Pakistan as far as a Taliban takeover. In addition to the points of difference that you’ve made, Afghanistan is a warlord country because of the terrain and the lack of normal civic institutions. Pakistan on the other hand, has a large educated middle class, a growing technical and professional class, and a feeling of national unity. Given that Pakistan is so different from Afghanistan, this scare propaganda of rising Islamic influence reminds one of the USA’s continued use of “developing evils” such as Saddam Hussein’s WMDs, Iran’s nuclear capabilities, suitcase bombs, anthrax packages through the mail, and Russia’s “aggression” in Georgia et cetera.It’s also correct that the U.S. with its consistent invasions and meddling and unbalanced Middle East policy is simply becoming the world’s most visible troublemaker. And all of this through the leadership of (can there be any worse than the present Secretary of State?) an administration with a continuation of the Bush/Neocon failed Middle East policy .This will fail also, but at what cost?Hopefully, most Americans aren’t buying into the propaganda. Today’s Rasmussen Poll shows that 34% of Americans strongly approve of the Obama’s Administration’s performance, while 32% strongly disapprove. This isn’t exactly a vote of confidence for the first 100 days of an Adminstration.
Morbid • April 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Sorry indeed, for…MOM =’s 666
ex VRWC • April 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Now this is an interesting take – that there is no threat of a Taliban takeover in Pakistan. It depends on how you define ‘takeover’ and how you define ‘Pakistan’. If you define ‘Pakistan’ as the government in Kabul and a ‘takeover’ as its overthrow, OK. But the Taliban are certainly taking over parts of Pakistan. Will they take over enough parts to trigger war with India? Will they succeed in basically creating a rogue state within a state, in more areas than just the Afghan border area?Anti Americanism is, I am sure, rampant there anyway. It is a Moslem country, don’t forget.India tackle China? I don’t think so. Pose a back door threat, OK, but not ‘tackle’ them. Just wait till the war of resources that will be waged between these ‘EM’ powers with 1 billion plus populations. It will be something to behold, and not in a good way. I hope our boys are clear of the region before it erupts.Having visited China in December, my path now takes me to Bangalore next week. I will try to glean what I can. Hope I am far enough away from any trouble.
Pecos Banker • April 22nd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
You are fourth.
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
8>)
Morbid • April 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Rohelio • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
A question for the thinking hats on this blog:How many years will it take for the economy of China to overtake the US?Let’s assume that the US economy is standing still and will be at the side of the road for the foreseeable future. Currently China has the surplus savings to afford stockpiling and purchase of whatever it needs from Australia, Africa, SE.Asia, S. America and Russia. Assume China’s growth will be on the order of 6-8 percent? Variable include: what is ‘real’ GDP?….PPP basis?, financials? weapons manufacture? etc.Unknown variables include currency disruption, resource constraint, and geopolitical events. China will probably maintain the peg as long as they hold dollars?Lastly,How long will it take for the US to realize that it is a few minutes to 12:00??
jugglingcdos • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Using Argentina as “base” scenario,Once the realization hits, it explode fast, very fast
Bob Dobbs • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
2nd
jugglingcdos • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
SHHIITTTThttp://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/wei_region3.htmllook at Hang Seng Composite Indexat first i thought it was a typois it almost down 100%!!???can someone confirm
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
George S. McGovern is no RGE Monitor PeterJB, but he was a Democratic Senator from South Dakota, a former presidential candidate and a supporter of Obama over Hillary in the presidential race. Here’s a take from his views in the San Jose Mercury News today regarding the Obama Administration’s foot dragging in withdrawing troops from Iraq and accelerating the war in Afghanistan:“Has either the great God above or his creatures here below designated us to run the Middle East? What do we say to the Iraqi people who have indicated overwhelmingly in several polls that they want U.S. troops out of their country now? Why would we not understand this sentiment considering that our military equipment has smashed Iraqi homes, public buildings and infrastructure, including electricity and running water?“Of course, the most painful cost of these wars is the deaths of more than 4,200 brave American troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens. This is to say nothing of our political judgment and moral standing in the world…“Our policymakers contend that we must maintain U.S. troops in the Middle East to curb terrorism. I strongly believe that it is our military presence in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Middle East that is driving terrorism against the United States.”McGovern said the bonuses that have rightly angered people “are peanuts compared with the $12 billion a month we have poured into Iraq and Afghanistan over the last six years.” (from “President Obama, Bring Troops Home”)
blind bird • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
d,the market has become a fiction of those who havecreated fictive capital, cdo cds leverage.they have absorbed and made impotent individualmorality, perspective, identity etc…. etc..it is an institutional “reality”, or a holarchywith no “real” foundation. it is “shadow” reality.but.. participation is of the essence.acceptance.? translated as POWER. funny.a world built on manufactured perception inopposition to reality ( that which the senseswould report to a balanced, stable and informedmind ). “markets” do not exist any longer.probably,they never existed. veil.and “so what”? miles davis.ps. of course this is insane. markets have alwaysexisted. ? well, as far as ecology has alwaysexisted, this is true. logical conclusions canbecome inescapable conditions and translate aspredictable speculation or “fate”.puke here……….pss. markets are corrupt, always, as “people” aretransformed into “units” to participate.sounds like “original sin” to me.?i can hear the music of it…..ohmmmmm…i’ll say ….”so what” miles davis.pssss. but some day mass will become critical andgravity will not be denied. energy will radiatein a spherical display. reconcile the energydynamics associated with the center of the solar system, that is the big yellow thing in the skythat everyone ignores.just a thought?peas.
Pecos Banker • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Wiseguy, eh. Nyuk Nyuk. Well take this! 5th!
J • April 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Ok rectified by Bloomiethat was surreal
Guest too blindly.. • April 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
g,i poled the excess of one million dead in iraqand Afghanistan over the last 10 years, this was in the after life obviously, and all of them, women,children and confused adult males of fighting ageagreed, the cluster bombs and other weaponry wasnot appreciated.hmmm? so strange. they do not understand economics, macro or micro.puke here.
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
NEED FOR EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE SOARSAS SANTA CLARA COUNTY PREPARES CUTSMercury News (April 22, 2009) – Desperate families are flocking to Santa Clara County’s (California) public aid offices at an alarming rate, as supervisors prepare next month for deep funding cuts [because of budget shortfalls] to emergency assistance programs that are in ever-increasing demand.Applications for food stamps increased 60 percent between September and January…Those seeking cash assistance through the Cal-WORKs program –which requires parents to work or look for work—have grown 57 percent in that same period.All told, the number of county residents receiving public assistance shot up by 24,443 people in the five-month period tracked. More than a quarter of a million people here now receive either CalWORKs, food stamps, general assistance or Medi-Cal health benefits.
Guest • April 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Soaring U.S. Budget Deficit Will Mean Billions in Bond SalesApril 22 (Bloomberg) — Millions of lost jobs mean billions in lost tax revenue for the U.S. government, and billions in additional Treasury debt to fund a federal budget deficit that may soar to more than four times last year’s record $454.7 billion.Employers cut 3.7 million positions from their payrolls in the six months since the fiscal year began Oct. 1, and the unemployment rate reached a 25-year high of 8.5 percent in March. That suggests receipts for April — the biggest month for tax collection — are likely to come in well below April 2008, analysts said.With spending on unemployment insurance and other safety- net programs rising, the deficit is already at a record $956.8 billion six months into the fiscal year. To help close that gap, the Treasury Department has more than quadrupled borrowing, pushing the government deeper into debt.“Tax receipts are just collapsing,” said Chris Ahrens, head of interest-rate strategy at UBS Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut, one of 16 primary dealers required to bid at Treasury auctions. The need to sell more debt “is a big issue in the Treasury market and it is ongoing. The surging budget deficit is the primary cause.”The government will have to sell $2.4 trillion in new bills, notes and bonds in fiscal 2009, according to UBS. From October through December, the Treasury sold a record $569 billion, up from $82 billion in the same period a year earlier, and auctioned another $493 billion in the last quarter, up from $156 billion. That helps to make up for the drop in tax receipts, pay for the rise in spending and refinance maturing debt. Along with the principal, the sales add additional interest costs to the deficit for years to come.Unemployment BenefitsAt the same time, government spending has climbed 33 percent in the fiscal year through March, as relief programs such as unemployment benefits expand. Labor Department expenditures have more than doubled to $52.7 billion and payments by the Department of Health and Human Services have risen by $40.6 billion, or 12 percent. Spending by the Agriculture Department, which runs the food-stamp program, is 18 percent higher, or $9.9 billion more than in the same period a year ago.These increases will contribute to a record federal budget deficit this fiscal year. On March 20, the Congressional Budget Office forecast the shortfall will reach $1.85 trillion, dwarfing the previous peak. UBS estimates a budget deficit of $1.65 trillion, Ahrens said.Plummeting ReceiptsRising unemployment and lower consumer spending helped drag income-tax receipts from individuals and small businesses down 15 percent in fiscal 2009 through March, compared with a year earlier. Data due in May will likely show that the recession curbed estimated-tax payments in the first quarter, while the drop in financial markets caused capital gains to shrink.With the tax cuts from President Barack Obama’s stimulus package also taking effect in April, “that combination is going to give you weak tax revenues,” said Douglas Lee, chief economist at Economics From Washington, an independent consulting firm in Potomac, Maryland.From the start of the fiscal year through March, personal income-tax payments fell to $429.7 billion from $503.5 billion in the year-earlier period, according to Treasury budget statistics. That’s the first such drop since 2003, according to department records.“There’s been a huge hit, not just to income but to wealth,” said Ethan Harris, co-head of U.S. economic research at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. “The economy did not turn in the first quarter of the year.” The numbers “are worse than most of us would have expected coming into the tax season.”Lower Earnings, Higher RefundsThe federal government is also losing revenue from corporate tax receipts, which have fallen 57 percent from the first six months of fiscal 2008. Not only are companies earning less — and paying less in taxes — they are getting more in refunds.Obama’s economic-stimulus package included a provision allowing small businesses with losses in 2008 to carry back those losses for five years rather than two, so companies can claim refunds against taxes paid in the past. Business refunds in January through March of this year were $40.4 billion, almost double the $22.3 billion of a year ago.Personal income-tax refunds are also higher than last year, up 11 percent to $207.8 billion. That may be because people who pay estimated quarterly taxes based their estimates on 2007 earnings, and overpaid as the economy collapsed in 2008, Lee said.Close the GapStates and cities are also being hit hard by unemployment’s effect on tax revenue.The 23,300 Wall Street jobs that disappeared in the year through February helped blow a $16 billion hole in New York state’s budget. State officials are trying to close the gap by raising taxes, which will likely restrain spending and slow recovery.The attack on bonuses led by members of Congress also hurts. As payments are scaled back or eliminated, tax revenue falls. It’s not just a problem for New York: Individual tax receipts were 4.5 percent less than forecast in Minnesota during February and March.“While lower-than-expected withholding-tax receipts are always a matter of concern, this shortfall appears to be due to lower-than-projected bonus payments,” the Minnesota Management and Budget office said in its April Economic Update.At the federal level, concern over the budget deficit extends beyond this year’s “disaster,” Harris said. Social Security and Medicare costs are also rising as baby boomers age, and the Obama administration has a number of new programs beyond stimulus — including revamping health care — that it wants to spend money on.“It’s going to be a structural issue,” Harris said. “You have a Congress that’s lost its fear of deficits, so it’s still going to be hard to turn the deficit around once the economy and tax receipts have recovered.”
Average Jane • April 22nd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Families receiving assistance from the Salvation Army doubled from Sept 2007 to Oct 2008 in Minnesota. A 100% increase. Can’t imagine what it’ll be 2008-09.[Sarcasm on] What’s the matter with these people? Don’t they have credit cards? Can’t they take out equity from their homes? [Sarcasm off.]I am heartsick.
Average Jane • April 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Looks to me as though Karl Rove and Grover Norquist have gotten their wish: the guv’mint is officially drowning.
Chignos • April 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
All speculation and no facts. Very boring hyperwindy posts (as usual).
Chignos • April 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
All speculation and no facts; very boring hyperwindy post.
Chignos • April 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Drink on, nitwit. No one can follow your rambling.
Winston • April 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Speaking of bond sales because of the soaring deficit…mortgage interest rates are under 5%….when will they start rising due to inflation premiums? Anybody have a clue how much more long term debt the Gov’t is going to continue to buy to TRY and quantitively ease interest rates further down?
PeteCA • April 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Pakistan Crumbling – Countdown to Islamic Nuclear Nations Soon ???This month the Taliban took over Buner province in Pakistan, after conquering the Swat Valley last year. This puts the Taliban as close as 60 miles from the capital of Islamabad.Figures don’t tell the whole story. Buner Province is a mountain area with peaceful tribes. These peaceful tribesmen are (were) no match for hard core Taliban fighters … and the Taliban took the whole province with only a few hundred men. Basically, they just drove in without any resistance. Further advances towards Islamabad won’t be quite that easy. But still – the Taliban is very close.This raises major questions for US foreign policy. Why weren’t the Taliban getting any pushback from Pakistan Gov’t troops or the local police? Clearly the Taliban must be getting very good support – from outside Pakistan and from within as well.Pakistan is crumbling quickly. It’s hard to see how the current government can last more than a year or so. Maybe not even until Christmas.Meanwhile, Iran is pushing ahead with a mighty effort to refine uranium to high levels of enrichment. Even conservative analysts admit they will have enough material for a bomb in a few months, and some technical people believe they could have 2-3 bombs in 12 months. This of course assumes that they have the know-how to build a working nuclear bomb, once they have the enriched uranium.All of which means … the USA is facing the immediate prospect of living in a world where militant Islamic nations are armed with nuclear weapons. How the Obama administration reacts to this – is anybody’s guess. But clearly we are way past the point of stopping this trend by using international sanctions or a few Green Berets trained in counterinsurgency.I hate to say it … but it sure looks like the USA is losing the balance of power against militant Islamic nations right now.PeteCA
Chignos • April 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Just read Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” and you’ll get the idea of how this all plays out. Obama, Geithner, Frank–none of them know what they are doing. Those of us who do are not willing to help them out. They are headed for a train wreck and we’re not going to stop them (as if they arrogant would listen anyway). When the dust settles, we’ll be back to see if there’s any profit to be made out of the dust and rubble.
blind bird • April 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pm
c,don’t follow. initiate. nit wit?perhaps, but you are not “devils advocate”.all i can contribute is my perspective, whateverthat might be. 1,2, or 3rd person/perspective. all i canappreciate is your perspective, however you choose to express it.my point. markets are not what they are portrayedto be and this is a means of mind control andmanipulation, power grab, of not only the masses money or “investments” but of their destiny or survival outcomes. does this make any sense?ultimately it is a land grab. someone once informed me, some nit wit.i drink to you and that person.
Mark • April 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 pm
You’re good!
Mark
Mark • April 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 pm
It’s the ship, not who is at the helm.The ship only floats on growth. No one can create lasting growth, no one (or no body of people).Doesn’t matter what Rand or anyone else says.It’s going down… Those who don’t jump are going to be sucked under.Mark
blind o rama. • April 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@ prior thread..comment: i love this poetry.can only respond in kind, quoting another poet……”they call it excellence; they call it the New World Order; a change that is upon us. We have climaxed at the bottom of the attentional Bell Curve, in every possible way and manner.Hanlon’s Razor rules supreme in every corner of the Globe. Then follows that which is termed evil.Ho hum”Hide reply Reply to this comment By PeterJB on 2009-04-21 17:59:38.TOM WAITS – Bottom Of The World.”My daddy told me, lookin’ backThe best friend you’ll have is a railroad trackSo when I was 13 said, I’m rollin’ my own,And I’m leavin’ Missouri and I’m never comin’ homeAnd I’m lost, and I’m lostI’m lost at the bottom of the worldI’m handcuffed to the bishop and the barbershop liarI’m lost at the bottom of the worldSatchel Puddin’ and Lord God MoseSitting by the fire with a busted noseThat fresh egg yeller is too damn rareBut the white part is perfect for slickin’ down your hairAnd I’m lost, and I’m lostI’m lost at the bottom of the worldI’m handcuffed to the bishop and the barbershop liarI’m lost at the bottom of the worldBlackjack Ruby and Nimrod CainThe moon’s the color of a coffee stainJesse Frank and Birdy Joe HoaksBut who is the king of all these folks?And I’m lost, and I’m lostI’m lost at the bottom of the worldI’m handcuffed to the bishop and the barbershop liarI’m lost at the bottom of the worldWell I dined last night with Scarface RonOn telapia fish cakes and fried black swanRazorweed onion and peacock squirellAnd I dreamed all night about a beautiful girlAnd I’m lost, and I’m lostI’m lost at the bottom of the worldI’m handcuffed to the bishop and the barbershop liarI’m lost at the bottom of the worldWell, god’s green hair is where I slept lastHe balanced a diamond on a blade of grassNow I woke me up with a cardinal birdAnd when I wanna talk he hangs on every wordAnd I’m lost, and I’m lostI’m lost at the bottom of the worldI’m handcuffed to the bishop and the barbershop liarI’m lost at the bottom of the world”..the bottom. “we” are getting close.some have seen it and fallen through.the point where there is no direction but upwardand onward.that “diamond on a blade of grass”, without thatwe might all fall through…..
Mark • April 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Pete, you’re being sucked into the same old WMD story. I don’t know why this is.Never mind that everything that Iran is doing meets international rules.Who is worried about Israel? That’s a rouge state (with constantly shifting borders) that isn’t a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty and HAS nuclear weapons AND has threatened to use them! I won’t get into issues about their spying in the US (and other indiscretions).A LONG time ago it was the US pushing nuclear energy in Iran (back when the US was off-ing Iran’s democratically elected president). For a more complete history see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_IranMark
subgenius • April 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 am
see THIS documentary for a bigger picture re. Iran/US/UK politics…I am serious – it is VERY good, don’t let your prejudices put you off…
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 am
Even with the government help coming to the banks they are not lending more.They don’t have to. They got government money coming.
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 12:54 am
World economy won’t recover until year (current_year + 1)
Little Saver • April 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 am
“The whole banking system is still very fragile,” said Peter Hahn, a former managing director of Citigroup Inc. and now a fellow at London’s Cass Business School.“When you look at the income numbers that have been put out by banks recently they contain so much fudge and financial manipulation. You could say that the automobile industry has a clearer future at the moment.”Where the fudge did we hear this before?
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 am
take exaple of the universe, its growing(expanding) at some point either gravity will reverse the growth(expansion) or it will simply torn apart even atoms and sub atomic particles will tear apart. moral of the story is nothing grows indefinitly.
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 5:10 am
@ peteSeems like you have no knowledge of the area. Buner is not a province its a small district no more than 100 sq km. your entire analysis is rubish. you don’t backup your statement with any facts. Without any knowledge of the geography you cannot understand the extent of taliban advances. The sixty miles that you are talking about are 15000 ft+ high mountains, are you saying these rag heads have air lifting capabilities. we are talking about no more than 10000 taliban. islamabad is a big city with population of aprox 2 1/2 million. Islamabad is considered to be one of the most liberal cities in the coutry. are you telling me that 10000 taliban with ak 47′s can control a city of 2 1/2 million of hostile population. I didn’t even mentioned the city have large no of army personal there because the army headquaters are in that city. Please stop scaring people we already had a healthy dose of that during the previou neocon administration. Read some history and aquaint yourself with little bit of knowledge before comenting.
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 am
@ PeteCASeems like you have no knowledge of the area. Buner is not a province its a small district no more than 100 sq km. your entire analysis is rubish. you don’t backup your statement with any facts. Without any knowledge of the geography you cannot understand the extent of taliban advances. The sixty miles that you are talking about are 15000 ft+ high mountains, are you saying these rag heads have air lifting capabilities. we are talking about no more than 10000 taliban. islamabad is a big city with population of aprox 2 1/2 million. Islamabad is considered to be one of the most liberal cities in the coutry. are you telling me that 10000 taliban with ak 47′s can control a city of 2 1/2 million of hostile population. I didn’t even mentioned the city have large no of army personal there because the army headquaters are in that city. Please stop scaring people we already had a healthy dose of that during the previou neocon administration. Read some history and aquaint yourself with little bit of knowledge before comenting.
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 am
sorry for the doule post
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 am
what…but I need to hate SOMEONE…there MUST be an evildoer somewhere…someone who is substancially worse than the rest of the planet…Besides what’s USA going to do with all that money that has been spent on weapons if we are going to be reasonable with each other?
Guest • April 23rd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Yes indeed. An unnecessary, nonsensical post. I wish they would ban the word “feudalism” from this site.
lux • April 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
S’okay … some things have to be repeated.Subgenius: I thoroughly enjoyed the Robert Newman link – thanks. Brilliant!
Mark • April 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I seem to recall watching this before… But yes, an excellent piece!Thanks for providing it!Mark
Bob Dobbs • April 24th, 2009 at 6:10 am
We integers are all wise guys! Like my first girl, an imaginary number! Yeah.
Guest • April 24th, 2009 at 9:53 am
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Anonymous • April 24th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Don’t give a damn about the world in general and the US in particular (the realm of arrogance ant paranoia, kitsch and violence). I’m off to Brazil where my real estate is doing pretty well and there’s more fun
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