Degrees of Bearishness: press report of a recent event with Nouriel Roubini, Meredith Whitney and other bearish analysts
As I have argued over and over again I am not a perma-bear and will be the first to call for a sustained economic recovery and recovery of the financial markets when I see one. And while now the real economy is not any more in the L-shaped free fall in which it was in Q4 of 2008 and Q1 of 2009 (second derivatives are turning positive) we are still in the middle of a severe U-shaped recession that will last much longer than what expected by the current consensus that sees positive growth by Q3 of this year and growth close to potential (2% plus) next year. We at RGE (our 200 page Global Economic Outlook will be out in two weeks) instead see the US recession lasting until at least Q4 of this year (still -1.5% growth by Q4) and the positive growth next year being so low (0.5%) and the unemployment rate rising to 10% by the summer of this year and peaking well above 11% next year that it will feel like a recession even in 2010 even if we are technically out of it some time next year. The latest awful numbers on retail sales, job losses, initial claims, PPI deflation and business inventories are dashing the delusions of the optimists that there is light at the end of the tunnel already by Q3 of 2009. We don’t see any meaningful evidence that the economy will bottom out before 2010. Here is the Guru Focus report “Degrees of Bearishness” comparing my moderate bearish views with those of other “uber-bears”:
Degrees of Bearishness, April 11, 2009, Guru Focus
It turns out that not all bears are created equal. That became strikingly apparent as I listened to the four speakers on Tuesday night at Sprott Asset Management’s highly-publicized and well-attended (1,500 people) “A Night With the Bears” at Toronto’s elegant Elgin Theatre.
All four of the high-profile participants agreed that there are tough times ahead and that things will probably get worse before they get better. But they parted company on how long the economic downturn will last and how deep it will get.
Prior to the start of the formal proceedings, the capacity audience was treated to some spectacular filmed footage of bears in the wild, doing typical bearish things. As I thought back on some of those images later, I found they matched the personalities and comments of the speakers in some remarkable ways. Here’s what I mean.
The angry grizzly bear.
Financial historian and newsletter editor Ian Gordon couldn’t have been more frightening if he had bared his teeth and roared. By the time he had finished his remarks, half the audience may have been looking for a ledge to leap from while the other half were hiding under their seats. Mr. Gordon is a devout believer in the Kondratieff Cycle (also called the Long Wave Cycle), a theory developed by Russian Nikolai Kondratieff in the 1920s that postulates that economic cycles repeat themselves about every 50 years.
The theory is controversial, to say the least, and many economists give it short shrift. But to hear Mr. Gordon tell it, the Kondratieff Cycle is real, it’s in its “winter” phase, and the outlook for the next several years as a grim as it gets. “We are in a 15-year deflationary depression that will be worse than 1929-32,” he warned. There will be a collapse in real estate prices – as much as two-thirds in the U.S. World trade will collapse. Government revenues will dry up and they will be unable to provide needed services. Pension plans will fail. The Dow will bottom out at around 1,000. Feel depressed yet?
The only answer, the ex-military officer intoned, is to buy gold, just as people did in a massive way during the Great Depression. Don’t say you weren’t warned!
The hungry black bear.
That’s the image I associate with money manager and chartered accountant Eric Sprott, whose company sponsored the event. He warned of the coming financial meltdown years before it happened and his predictions, for the most part, have turned out to be right. Now he’s saying there’s more terrible news coming. The $780 trillion in derivatives that are floating around the world will destroy what remains of the global financial system, he says. Commercial real estate will become a disaster zone. “This is not a recession, it is not a depression, it is an outright collapse,” he told the audience.
Like Ian Gordon, Mr. Sprott is a big fan of gold. But he sees two other ways to make money in these rough times: shorting the stock market and investing in agriculture (“People always have to eat.”). It was the first time I had heard him mention agriculture as an investment area and he was vague on the details even when asked a direct question by a farmer in the audience. There were no agriculture stocks in the portfolio of the Sprott Canadian Equity Fund as of the year-end 2008 report and no mention of agriculture in Mr. Sprott’s recent monthly commentaries, published on the company website. We’ll have to wait and see where he moves on this one. At the moment, this hungry bear seems to be content to keep devouring gold.
The mother polar bear.
Meredith Whitney established herself as one of the most influential women in American finance when she told investors to dump their shares in Citigroup in the fall of 2007, shortly before the once-powerful banking giant began its slide into near-oblivion. She followed that up with warnings of the impending implosion in the mortgage sector.
The soft-spoken Ms. Whitney is deeply concerned that there are huge problems still to come but she came across as more academic than apocalyptic in her comments – rather like the mother bear in the film who could be seen leading her two cubs across treacherous Arctic ice floes.
Her current focus is on what she expects to be the next great shock: massive defaults on credit card debt. “Ninety per cent of Americans revolve their credit card lines,” she said. “They use it as a piggy bank.” As debt gets wrung out of the system, more people will be unable to handle the payments, credit card companies and financial institutions will face huge write-off, and the availability of credit will dry up. “Before it’s over, every person in this room will have their credit card limits reduced and that will have a profound psychological effect,” she predicted.
That said, while she wasn’t exactly a fount of joy, she did not seem to be quite as pessimistic as Messrs. Sprott and Gordon in terms of the future. Yes, the economic damage so far has been worse than originally predicted and there’s more to come. But her strongest words of advice to the audience were to stay away from U.S. financial stocks. Then a couple of days later Wells Fargo said it made a profit of about US$3 billion in the first quarter. Who can you believe?
The panda bear.
NYU professor Nouriel Roubini was tagged with the nickname “Dr. Doom” after he warned of a looming financial crisis at an International Monetary Fund meeting in September 2006. The New York Times later reported that the audience of economists appeared to be “skeptical, even dismissive”. Well, we all know how that turned out.
Dr. Doom, who now advises governments around the world, was the star attraction at “A Night With the Bears”. But anyone who expected him to live up to his nickname must have been disappointed. Compared with Eric Sprott and Ian Gordon, Prof. Roubini seemed almost optimistic. Note that I said “almost”.
As a bear, I saw him as a panda – outgoing and engaging, the centre of attention at all times, but not someone you want to mess with. His message contained the usual large dollops of bad news: the worst is still to come for the world’s banks, lousy corporate earnings in the coming quarters will drive stocks lower, many hedge funds will go broke, unemployment will top 10%, etc.
But, unlike the others, he also offered a few glimmers of hope, describing himself as “more a realistic than a pessimist”. We will avoid a depression, he said. Yes, the recession will be deep and severe and those who saw the March rally in stocks as the start of a new bull market are “premature optimists”. But we could begin to come out of this downturn in 2010, although initial growth will be very weak. “There’s light at the end of the tunnel,” he said, “but we’ll reach it later rather than sooner.”
Hey, I’ll take weak growth in 2010 over Ian Gordon’s 15-year depression any time!
Despite the glimmer of hope from Dr. Doom, it was a depressing evening overall. But then what would you expect from a carefully chosen panel of confirmed bears? After it was all over, the presumably dispirited guests were invited to a gala reception complete with an oyster bar, savoury hors d’oeuvres (goat cheese wrapped in smoked salmon, mini burgers, coconut shrimp, beef wrapped in bacon), and all the wine, beer, and liquor anyone wanted. Recession? What recession?
31 Responses to “Degrees of Bearishness: press report of a recent event with Nouriel Roubini, Meredith Whitney and other bearish analysts”
Hubbs • April 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
First first to be first
Anonymous • April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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Hubbs • April 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Goldman: Used the freebee govt loans to make it look like they were profitable. Now that they showed a “profit” (Gee, if I can borrow money for nothing and loan it out at 7%, how can I screw up?) they can spring their new stock issue trap, to draw in a few more hapless investors. Stinkus maximus.
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Octavio, you give Obama a better than 50% chance for hitting upon a “winning strategy” to pull this economy out of the pits in that “Obama, is one of the smartest guys I’ve come across in many regards,” but with the caveat that “the economy he inherited is a tough cookie, so I am not willing to go significantly above 50%.”I ask, to my amazement, has the Obama Cabinet been changed? Before we get carried away with the competence and newness of the first months of the Obama presidency, I think it is a good time to remember that many of the key members of the administration are largely Clinton officials joining the Chicago Clique—both still not free of national and city scandal–and other banker picks.Take a look at some of the movers and enforcers pushing the “Obama” agenda:John Podesta, coordinator of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team; Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s Chief of Staff; Ron Klain, Biden’s Chief of Staff; Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security; Mary Schapiro, SEC chief; Attorney General Eric Holder; Secretary of State Hiliary Clinton; Timothy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury; Gary Gensler, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission who supported less regulation when he worked at the Treasury Department during the Clinton administration while the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 was in development. The law exempted derivatives from regulation.David Axelrod, Senior Advisor to the President; Peter Orszag, Obama’s budget director; Lawrence Summers, Director of the White House National Economic Council, ie. chief economic adviser; Christina Romer who chairs the White House Council of Economic Advisers; Dennis Ross, director of Obama’s Middle East policy; Dan Shapiro Senior Policy Adviser and Jewish Outreach Coordinator who was Obama’s campaign advisor on Middle East policy; Paul Volcker, special economic adviser to the President; Elena Kagan, Solicitor General; Jeremy C. Stein, whose research has focused on subjects such as behavioral finance and stock market efficiency, will be joining Summers, Harvard Law School professor Cass R. Sunstein ’75, and a handful of other Harvard professors serving both the Obama and Clinton administrations; Jeffrey B Liebman will also be in Washington—helping to oversee the policies and management of federal agencies as the new executive associate director of the president’s Office of Management and Budget. Liebman served under Clinton as special assistant to the president for economic policy and coordinated the Clinton administration’s social security reform technical working group.Jared Bernstein is Chief Economist and Economic Policy Adviser to the Vice President; Sally Katzen – Major legal adviser to Obama-Biden and chosen to play a role in the Obama Administration; Eric Lander and Harold E. Varmus – Co-Chairs of the President’s Council of Advisers on Science/Technology; Jacob Lew and James Steinberg – Deputy Secretaries of State second in rank only to Hillary Clinton in foreign policy matters; Penny Pritzker – Obama’s National Finance Chair during the election cycle and now an economic advisor; Mona Sutphen – Deputy White House Chief of Staff; and new chairman of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission Jon Leibowitz, old standby and most recently a lobbyist for the Motion Picture Association of America, who will regulate and review all mergers and enforce consumer protection laws.And there are the current members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System–Benjamin Bernanke, Chairman, and Donald L. Kohn, Vice Chairman, plus Kevin Warsh, Elizabeth Duke, Daniel Tarullo and Randall Kroszner. Stephen Friedman of Goldman Sachs is chair of the NYFed: Goldman’s Robert B. Zoellick heads the World Bank.Obama’s appointments follow the old pattern of having the money monopoly pick the candidates. These appointees have no intention of serving the citizens, only the personal interests of the private bankers.As for those who say we’re at the bottom of this economic hole, what’s that shifting ‘neath my feet?
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
LOL”Goldman Sachs reported a profit of $1.8 billion in the first quarter, and plans to sell $5 billion in stock and get out of the government’s clutches, if it can.How did it do that? One way was to hide a lot of losses in not-so-plain sight.Goldman’s 2008 fiscal year ended Nov. 30. This year the company is switching to a calendar year. The leaves December as an orphan month, one that will be largely ignored. In Goldman’s earnings statement, and in most of the news reports, the quarter ended March 31 is compared to the quarter last year that ended in February.The orphan month featured — surprise — lots of write-offs. The pretax loss was $1.3 billion, and the after-tax loss was $780 million.”http://norris.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/the-case-of-the-missing-month/
GLOOMY • April 14th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
GREEN SHOOTSOn a monthly basis, retail sales decreased 1.1% from February to March (seasonally adjusted), but sales are off 10.7% from March 2008
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Today’s news items in my local paper certainly don’t look like the spring-green shoots of an economic recovery. Examples:· The number of new delinquent taxpayers, says the firm Nationwide Tax Relief, is running 300 percent higher than this time last year.· Bankruptcies last month, says the Associated Press, were 46 percent higher than March 2008 and 81 percent higher than March 2007.· Sunnyvale, California, Community Services, says it is having to save 50 percent more people with non-profit help such as food and rent than it did this time last year. Director Nancy Tivol says needs are “exploding.”· San Jose Mercury’s lead story, “Tech Job Cuts Pick Up Steam,” says “Tech accounted for 21 percent of all lost jobs in the valley in the first two months of the year, for instance, compared with 13.6 percent of all lost jobs since the start of the recession in December 2007.· The Mercury says 73 percent of Silicon Valley CEO’s believe job growth is going to be worse this year than last year.· Only 20 percent of retirees in a non-partisan Employee Benefit Institute survey released today say they are very confident they’ll be financially secure, compared with 40 percent a year earlier.· California’s Department of Finance said yesterday that state revenue is now $415 million below what was forecast in the tax-hike billion-dollar deal legislators made in mid-February. The shortfall comes as unemployment increases, new home construction falters and home prices continue to fall. And now, state officials are watching tax revenues closely with numbers below expectations.· A poll by The National Association of Colleges and Employers found that 22 percent of college recruiters do not plan to hire any fresh graduates this spring, and 43.6 percent say they’ll hire fewer graduates than they did last spring. And the report says prospects for the class of 2010 are heading in the same direction as prospects for 2009 graduates.
MM CA • April 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Could’nt agree more… the 8th largest eceonomy in the world (Calif) is an economic disaster with many years of bad news and pain ahead for its residents… and so goes Claifonia so goes the rest of the country…Unemployment will reach 15% in calif in the next 12 months…Real estae will decline naother 30% in the next 12 months…Budget Deficit will approach 60B in the next 12 months…I could go on and on with th bad data… but we all know the story already don’t we?
FEDup • April 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
A “U” vs “L” shaped recession: IMHO, NR’s projections will prove correct if and only if, there are no BAD NEWS SURPRISES which seems highly unlikely in this crises considering the lack of transparency from Fudgington, D.C. and the Big Bad Banksters (BBBs) and that 99% of all bailouts (taxpayer’s money) is being directed to the corporate elite.
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I have read Roubinis predictions since early 2008. To me he has always been an optimistic bear in contradiction to Ian Gordon who is a very very pessimistic bear. I saw a video clip with Ian where e was talking about a possible 1000 low for the dow. There you have a true bear, he is the real mcCoy. Anywhodo I cant see why US should do better than Japan did in the 90′s.
Christophe Pelletier • April 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Sprott Asset Management has reached an agreement with First Nations in the Canadian prairies for a lease of around 1 million acres of land to produce wheat and other crops in partnership with these First Nations.
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
GS CFO “mystified” at investor/government focus on GS/AIG relationship. GS has thousands and thousands of counterparties…but GS was the only AIG counter party who attended the meeting with Fed and Tres. gov’t officials to discuss impact on AIG after Lehman collapse. Who is fooling who?
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Oowoooo, yippy yi aa. Got a love them banksters, they do find ways to manipulate the numbers and doop the investors. Can you say, “big bonuses”? Hey world, we are not insolvent, hell, we are making billions of dollars. Now go out and buy our stock. Daddy wants another mansion. Yeehawww!
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Professor Roubini, as a panda bear, says “we could begin to come out of this downturn in 2010, although initial growth will be very weak.” And Guru Focus responds: “I’ll take weak growth over Ian Gordon’s 15-year depression, any time!” The Professor essentially is saying that in the end, in the new Greenspan-Bernanke era, risk takers always win and savers always lose. New market math has replaced Benjamin Franklin’s “A penny saved is a penny earned, with “Cheaters are the winners and honest people are–always–the losers.”In short, no longer is the economy the market. Government is the market.I heard over radio this morning that 10 years after WWII, America’s wealth represented 50 percent of the world’s wealth: today, it represents 14 percent. So, a word of caution: If you’re going to pick government as your market, you’d better make sure you pick the right government.For the first time in the history of the world, if the Professor is right and Gordon is wrong, Keynesian economics combined with socialism and trillion-dollar fraud, is going to work. If Professor Roubini’s forecast is correct, the price of market corruption will be negligible for the Street’s investors but horrendous for the nation. Americans will give up their principles of justice and fairness, and forgive the creators of the dot com and housing and debt and derivative and hyperinflation bubbles, and agree that market corruption should be rewarded with new powers to rape and pillage again–after it’s caught its breath. It will mean that market manipulations and bank bailouts and massive bank payouts are going to continue and that we the people are going to go along with it and pay for it.But, wait! Already there’s a hint of a course correction, a tiny “who” that the Professor might be underestimating the grassroots’ awareness of moral hazard. The ”tea parties” that are protesting high taxes are a fairly unusual sight at tax time, and in my area, these protests have scheduled at least eight or ten locations and have taken on a new theme—consisting of no more bailouts, smaller government and substantial cuts in government spending before any more tax increases.
Cassandro • April 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
my general impression is that Roubini, in spite of everything, remains an economist. Therefore he relies on numbers, even if it’s with lots of salt, and implicit or explicit econometrics.But most numbers (and equations) used by economists are rather meaningless. Because prices may be objective data, but value is extremely subjective and varies all the time. Remember My Kingdom for a horse. Or a pound of flesh against your debt to the Merchant of Venice. That’s reality. Von Mises suggested to replace economics by “praxeology”, i.e. the study of human action. Keynes talked of the animal spirits and the barbarian relic. Economics is not a science and should be approached more like a part of political philosophy, with words instead of mathematical gibberish, and all the necessary arithmetics can be made on the back of an envelope. But the main problem is not economic activity, it’s what is called nowadays political economy. Economic agents are not individuals, but groups of individuals making loose alliances to advance their interests. None is motivated by public interest, governements no more than Wall Street.To sum, I think the animal spirits are going to be quite depressed for longer than you think (but much less in several “emerging” countries, as opposed to the immerging countries such as the US)
Hayes • April 14th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
BlackRock Confirms Goldman Q1 Profit Was Non-Recurring And A Result Of AIG UnwindsPosted by Tyler Durden at 3:29 PMhttp://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/04/blackrock-confirms-goldman-q1-profit.html
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Read Gordon herehttp://www.longwavegroup.com/pdf/08_01_07_News.pdf
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
can anyone post something recent from Ian Gordon.
Ed Beaugard • April 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I don’t see how Mr. Roubini(or really anyone) can be positive. Aren’t aggregate demand and world trade still collapsing? Anyone care to make a bet that U.S. March job losses will almost certainly be within 50,000 of 500,000?The administration is completely fudging the banks, nothing is really being dealt with, there’s no welfare state here in the U.S., so when UI runs out, that’s it for millions of people.So the idea is that things aren’t collapsing as fast as they were Q4, 2008 or Q1, 2009?
Realist • April 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
They used a stub year, heh. Wow, what a trick.
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
What happened to the new and hip California service based economy? Where are all the college educated white collar geniuses that thumbed their noses at manufacturing these past 20 years? Can’t they save the economy with all their smarts? I’m counting on them and by the way Obama’s one of them.Watch how completely useless a college degree becomes over the next few years people are going to be pissed when they realize the “get an education b.s.” was code for the oligarch to pillage our economy. We can’t pay you unless your extra special or extra qualified. When the white collar fools are in bread lines only then will they realize how foolish they were.
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
First for the goat cheese wrapped in smoked salmon, I’d say so, yep.
---o-!-o---. • April 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
c,” Beware Greeks bearing gifts.”
Guest thank you • April 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4588.shtmlApr 14th, 2009 – 00:38:23The Warren report: ‘Liquidate the banks and fire the executives!’By Mike WhitneyOnline Journal Contributing WriterApr 14, 2009, 00:20Last Tuesday, a congressional panel headed by ex-Harvard law professor Elizabeth Warren released a report on Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s handling of the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP). Warren was appointed to lead the five-member Congressional Oversight Panel (COP) in November by Senate majority leader Harry Reid. From the opening paragraph on, the Warren report makes clear that Congress is frustrated with Geithner’s so-called “Financial Rescue Plan” and doesn’t have the foggiest idea of what he is trying to do.Here are the first few lines of “Assessing Treasury’s Strategy: Six Months of TARP”: “With this report, the Congressional Oversight Panel examines Treasury’s current strategy and evaluates the progress it has achieved thus far. This report returns the Panel’s inquiry to a central question raised in its first report: What is Treasury’s strategy?”Six months and $1 trillion later, and Congress still cannot figure out what Geithner is up to. It’s a wonder the Treasury secretary hasn’t been fired already.From the report: “In addition to drawing on the $700 billion allocated to Treasury under the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act (EESA), economic stabilization efforts have depended heavily on the use of the Federal Reserve Board’s balance sheet. This approach has permitted Treasury to leverage TARP funds well beyond the funds appropriated by Congress. Thus, while Treasury has spent or committed $590.4 billion of TARP funds, according to Panel estimates, the Federal Reserve Board has expanded its balance sheet by more than $1.5 trillion in loans and purchases of government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) securities. The total value of all direct spending, loans and guarantees provided to date in conjunction with the federal government’s financial stability efforts (including those of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) as well as Treasury and the Federal Reserve Board) now exceeds $4 trillion.”So, while Congress approved a mere $700 billion in emergency funding for the TARP, Geithner and Bernanke deftly sidestepped the public opposition to more bailouts and shoveled another $3.3 trillion through the back door via loans and leverage for crappy mortgage paper that will never regain its value. Additionally, the Fed has made a deal with Treasury that when the financial crisis finally subsides, Treasury will assume the Fed’s obligations vis-a-vis the “lending facilities,” which means the taxpayer will then be responsible for unknown trillions in withering investments.From the report: “To deal with a troubled financial system, three fundamentally different policy alternatives are possible: liquidation, receivership, or subsidization. To place these alternatives in context, the report evaluates historical and contemporary efforts to confront financial crises and their relative success. The Panel focused on six historical experiences: (1) the U.S. Depression of the 1930s; (2) the bank run on and subsequent government seizure of Continental Illinois in 1984; (3) the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s and establishment of the Resolution Trust Corporation; (4) the recapitalization of the FDIC bank insurance fund in 1991; (5) Sweden’s financial crisis of the early 1990s; and (6) what has become known as Japan’s “Lost Decade” of the 1990s. The report also surveys the approaches currently employed by Iceland, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and other European countries.”This statement shows that the congressional committee understands that Geithner’s lunatic plan has no historic precedent and no prospect of succeeding. Geithner’s circuitous Public-Private Investment Program (PPIP) — which is designed to remove toxic assets from bank balance sheets — is an end-run around “tried-and-true” methods for fixing the banking system. In the most restrained and diplomatic language, Warren is telling Geithner that she knows that he’s up to no good.From the report: “Liquidation avoids the uncertainty and open-ended commitment that accompany subsidization. It can restore market confidence in the surviving banks, and it can potentially accelerate recovery by offering decisive and clear statements about the government’s evaluation of financial conditions and institutions.”The committee agrees with the vast majority of reputable economists who think the banks should be taken over (liquidated) and the bad assets put up for auction. This is the committee’s number one recommendation.The committee also explores the pros and cons of conservatorship (which entails a reorganization in which bad assets are removed, failed managers are replaced, and parts of the business are spun off) and government subsidization, which involves capital infusions or the purchasing of troubled assets. Subsidization, however, carries the risk of distorting the market (by keeping assets artificially high) and creating a constant drain on government resources. Subsidization tends to create hobbled banks that continue to languish as wards of the state.Liquidation, conservatorship and government subsidization; these are the three ways to fix the banking system. There is no fourth way. Geithner’s plan is not a plan at all; it’s mumbo-jumbo dignified with an acronym, PPIP. The Treasury secretary is being as opaque as possible to stall for time while he diverts trillions in public revenue to his scamster friends at the big banks through capital injections and nutty-sounding money laundering programs like the PPIP.From the report: “Treasury’s approach fails to acknowledge the depth of the current downturn and the degree to which the low valuation of troubled assets accurately reflects their worth. The actions undertaken by Treasury, the Federal Reserve Board and the FDIC are unprecedented. But if the economic crisis is deeper than anticipated, it is possible that Treasury will need to take very different actions in order to restore financial stability.”This is a crucial point; the toxic assets are not going to regain their value because their current market price — 30 cents on the dollar for AAA mortgage-backed securities — accurately reflects the amount of risk they bear. The market is right and Geithner is wrong; it’s that simple. Many of these securities are comprised of loans that were issued to people without sufficient income to make the payments. These “liar’s loans” were bundled together with good loans into mortgage-backed securities. No one can say with any certainty what they are really worth. Naturally, there is a premium for uncertainty, which is why the assets are fetching a mere 30 cents on the dollar. This won’t change no matter how much Geithner tries to prop up the market. The well has been already poisoned.Also, according to this month’s Case-Schiller report, housing prices are falling at the fastest pace since their peak in 2006. That means that the market for mortgage-backed securities (MBS) will continue to plunge and the losses at the banks will continue to grow. The IMF recently increased its estimate of how much toxic mortgage-backed paper the banks are holding to $4 trillion.The banking system is underwater and needs to be resolved quickly before another Lehman-type crisis arises, sending the economy into a protracted Depression. Geithner is clearly the wrong man for the job. His PPIP is nothing more than a stealth rip-off of public funds which uses confusing rules and guidelines to conceal the true objective, which is to shift toxic garbage onto the public’s balance sheet while recapitalizing bankrupt financial institutions.So, why is Geithner being kept on at Treasury when his plan has already been thoroughly discredited and his only goal is to bail out the banks through underhanded means?That question was best answered by the former chief economist of the IMF, Simon Johnson, in an article which appeared in The Atlantic Monthly: “The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming . . . is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government — a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation; recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression we’re running out of time.” (The Atlantic Monthly, May 2009, by Simon Johnson)The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Many of their foot soldiers now occupy the highest offices in government. It’s up to people like Elizabeth Warren to draw attention to the silent coup that has taken place and do whatever needs to be done to purge the moneylenders from the seat of power and restore representative government. It’s a tall order and time is running out.Watch Elizabeth Warren’s 8 minute video summary of the COP report.Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com.Copyright © 1998-2007 Online Journal
GSM • April 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Guest,You have highlighted a very major point. The biggest battle being waged is the battle for Keynesianism’s survival. This here, right now, is THE test for Keynes’ ideas. And that is all they are- theory. The theory goes that during periods of financial contraction, Govts can and should fill the breach- in this case with massive debt spending. This suites much of the currently officed Left Wing Govts in the OECD and G20 in their efforts to get re-elected.The run up in soverign debts trying to outspend the contraction in consumer spending is thus far like a speck on an elephants backside. You do the math. The outcome will be abject failure with the world’s citizens and generations to come financially ruined, devastated in debts taken on by their representatives.I am pleased, heartened even to see some people of the US start to resist this stupidity and more power to the Tea Parties.I wonder how much media attention it will receive though. I’m sure the PTB cringe at the thought of this movement gaining traction.
GSM • April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Note: Economics is not a science.It is a body of theories, and NR subscribes clearly to the Keyenesian realm – the Neo Classicals. There are several others, but the Neo Classicals have it so wrong that it is scary. NR was absolutely correct in predicting the GFC- he is very wrong in predicting it’s outcomes.For more on the fundamental mathematical flaws of this school of economic ideology, go here;http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/04/13/talk-to-the-fabian-forum-the-global-financial-crisis-how-bad-will-it-get/
GSM • April 14th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Ed,Some call it a bottom. I call it a ledge.
Rohelio • April 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
In a letter to Geithner March 20. 2009, E. Warren (COP report) asks a number of probing questions regarding TALF.1. Please explain in detail why the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Boardbelieve it is wise to commit billions of dollars to rebuild the market for collateralized debt obligations and the redistribution and subdivision of interests in asset pools, in light of the risks posed for the financial system by these arrangements.”2. The thrust of the TALF appears to be to attract investors with large pools ofcapital, such as hedge funds, to the ABS market by allowing them to purchase ABS on a highly leveraged basis with risk of loss largely transferred to the taxpayer directly or ,through the Federal Reserve System, indirectly, in a manner that confers substantial benefits on these private investors who have little at stake. Please explain in detail the rationale for such a transfer of risk to the taxpayers with so much of the benefit transferred to private investors and please provide the facts and figures that support this rationale.And this, (referring to the European banksters to be bailed by US taxpayers…)11. What is the rationale for financing sale of securitized debt issued by U.S.subsidiaries of non-U.S. companies under the TALF?Apparently Geithner is too busy compounding his schemes to make any reasonable reply.
Guest • April 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
NEW THREAD. I reposted the dialogs ongoing after the NEW THREAD.
Sorry if I missed one…
CHRIS DAVIS • April 15th, 2009 at 1:35 am
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