Prospect magazine ranks Nouriel Roubini as the Top #2 Public Intellectual
From Prospect Magazine:
Earlier this year Prospect teamed up with Foreign Policy to list the world’s 100 greatest living public intellectuals, a contest won (after some sharp-elbowed campaigning) by the Turkish cleric Fetullah Gülen. But who has had the most impact in 2008? We gathered an all-star judging panel (see opposite) from the worlds of policy, media and ideas to find out.
The concept of “public intellectual” remains satisfyingly vague. Nonetheless, we instructed our panel to weigh up the field on three criteria: novelty, real-world impact, and intellectual pizzazz. Internal debate, along with soundings on our blog, First Drafts, created a shortlist of ten—the names you see on these pages. From there it was down to one judge, one vote. A three-way contest for the crown quickly emerged, with Roubini, “Thalerstein” and Petraeus all popular. Generally the panel voted according to type: the wonks liked Nudge, number crunchers wanted an economist, while foreign policy watchers thought the scholarly general deserving of the nod. On our website we provide details of all our judges’ votes, and their reasons. Ultimately, though, there could only be one winner. As in Iraq, so in Prospect: Petraeus surged to victory.

1. David Petraeus American general and current commander of United States Central Command
This was the year in which General David Petraeus, who holds a PhD from Princeton, demonstrated the battlefield success of his marine field manual—itself a solid intellectual piece of work produced after 16 months of study and consultation. Arguably, the so-called “Petraeus doctrine” is the only written piece of intellectual output in the last two years that has made a direct difference to the lives of millions. It’s radical among other things for being the first actively humane warfighting doctrine to ever come out of the Pentagon, enshrining the ideas that winning a modern war requires ensuring the security and wellbeing of the civilian population, that humanitarian assistance and construction projects are critical to any fight, and that 80 per cent of the battle is a political one. Petraeus has also waged a war of ideas against many in Washington who have argued that fewer constraints and more ruthless tactics were required in Iraq. This year, he won. And so he is a worthy winner of our award. Prospect was against the war in Iraq. But we know an original thinker when we see one, especially one who uses brainpower to achieve change in the most difficult of circumstances. He is a worthy winner.

2. Nouriel Roubini, Professor of economics, NYU
The Economist noted last year that Roubini’s “commentary seems carefully calibrated to avoid any hint that economic disaster may be avoidable.” Sadly, the gloomy sage of the credit crunch has been right almost every step of the way. Dismissed as Dr Gloom, Roubini is almost the only economist who can claim to have seen it coming. As one judge put it: “he has consistently marshalled arguments to demonstrate America’s fiscal imbalances—he was right; now his competition is out of business.” A worthy runner-up.

3. Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein, Professors at Chicago and Harvard universities
Authors of Nudge, this year’s most talked about policy tract, the buzzy duo brought behavioural economics and social psychology into the mainstream. Strong political links—advising Obama while also finding favour with Cameron and Osborne—added to their mystique. It was a simple idea, brilliantly packaged and communicated—unquestionably the most influential single idea of the year. As one judge noted: “They nudged us all.”

Margaret Atwood Atwood’s new collection Payback: Debt and the Shadow Side of Wealth was timely, from a writer and thinker who consistently manages to grapple with complex and political themes in her fiction and non-fiction.
Malcolm Gladwell Gladwell is a masterful populariser of new ideas, ranging from his New Yorker essays to sell-out stage shows. His ubiquitous new book Outliers has been among the year’s most discussed.

Robert Kagan A McCain advisor famous for his Europe vs US thesis, Kagan was also behind Bush’s surge decision, a leading proponent of a “league of democracies” and author of a new book on the rise of Russia and China as autocracies.
Orhan Pamuk Winner of the 2006 Nobel prize, Pamuk caught our eye for his opening speech at the Frankfurt book fair, denouncing Turkish oppression despite speaking alongside President Abdullah Gül. His new book, The Museum of Innocence, is also well regarded.
Susan Rice Obama foreign policy guru, and now UN ambassador, Rice will spearhead America’s re-engagement abroad. Less showy than some, her intellectual and political leadership on the “responsibility to protect” theory, especially over Darfur, put her in our top ten.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani Sistani is a Shia cleric and serious scholar who, although Iranian by birth, has been a consistent and high-profile voice of moderation and democracy amid Iraq’s instability. He was especially influential in building support for the recent “status of forces agreement,” a crucial stepping stone towards any future US withdrawal.
Reverend Wright The real inspiration behind “the audacity of hope,” Reverend Jeremiah Wright riled both America and Obama by saying the unsayable. A serious thinker, his ideas on race and inequality are more mainstream among many African Americans than America would like to admit.
We drew up a longlist of those we might include. The following made the long list, but not the final cut. Deceased figures do not qualify for our poll, variously ruling out John Maynard Keynes, Sheikh Ibrahim al-Karbouli, the leader of the Anbar awakenings, and Benazir Bhutto.
Ben Bernanke Scholary Fed chairman threw every textbook at the credit crunch .
Ingrid Betancourt Freed hostage, icon, and likely future Colombian leader.
Paul Collier Author of The Bottom Billion, populariser of development.
Niall Ferguson Timely new finance book, ubiquitous writer and broadcaster.
Thomas Friedman Bestseller mainstay whose new book further boosts green America.
Gary Kasparov Dissident, brave Putin critic, author on chess and politics.
Doris Kearns Goodwin Team of Rivals: readable history, but also a manual for Obama’s cabinet.
Naomi Klein It’s no No Logo, but the flimsy Shock Doctrine looks wiser, post crunch.
Paul Krugman Serious economist, nobel winner, vital credit crunch writer and blogger.
Toni Morrison First new book in ages, inspiration to Presidents and the public alike.
Nassim Taleb Insightful scholar of randomness, author of huge hit Black Swan.
Barack Obama The first “intellectual” in the White House since FDR.
Louis Moreno Ocampo Brave, controversial Argentinian lawyer heading the ICC this year caused a huge stir charging Sudan’s President Bashir with genocide.
VS Ramachandran Brilliant neuroscientist, anticipated new book out in early 2009.
Robert Shiller Author of The Sub Prime Solution, another credit crunch sage.
Hu Shuli Journalist and thinker dubbed “the most dangerous woman in China.”
Polly Toynbee Influential, Cameron icon, with timely book on the “super rich.”
Adair Turner Just Capital author, now saving both the City and the environment.
Paul Woolley British economist, popularised dysfunctional capital markets well before everyone agreed with him.
Martin Wolf Must-read credit crunch commentator.
Muhammad Yunus Admired microcredit economist, with a new book on “social business.”
Fareed Zakaria Newsweek editor and author of the Post-American World, flavour of the month with Washington wonks.
102 Responses to “Prospect magazine ranks Nouriel Roubini as the Top #2 Public Intellectual”
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 8:06 am
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Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 8:15 am
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Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am
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Little Saver • December 29th, 2008 at 9:38 am
This confirms the high quality of Nouriel Roubini’s analysis during the buildup of the current economic crisis. It may be even harder to predict its further evolution and outcome. I’m looking forward to his upcoming writings about it.
blindman • December 29th, 2008 at 9:47 am
war by other means, pay them in cash.the nexus of a general, an economist and the termpublic intellectual. hmm..http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/awakening_movement/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier.Awakening Movement in Iraq….The Awakening movement in Iraq began in western Anbar Province in 2006 as the violence in Iraq peaked and Sunni tribal leaders began feeling pressure from all sides. The tribal leaders there decided to stop fighting the American forces in their region and instead cooperate with them in taking on Al Qaeda in Iraq, a largely homegrown group that is believed to have foreign leadership. The movement then spread around the country as a means of Sunni self-preservation.Prior to this shift, the United States military had focused its operations on Sunni insurgent groups, cooperating meantime with the Shiite-led government. The bodies of dozens of Sunnis surfaced on streets every morning, the victims of Shiite death squads. And many Sunnis themselves grew disgusted with the large number of civilian casualties in near-daily suicide bombings.The American military began paying many members of the Awakening movement as the program expanded, even including Shiite members who make up about one-fifth of the program. They were paid roughly $300 a month by the United States to guard checkpoints and buildings and — for those who used to be insurgents — to no longer blow up American convoys and shoot American troops.Although the “surge” is often described as the turning point that led to lower violence, a number of American officers contend the Awakening that began well before the surge in 2006 in Anbar Province and continued in Baghdad last year was the most significant reason for the decline. In some places, American casualties plunged within weeks of the Sunnis joining with American forces. All told, the movement is thought to have about 100,000 members….,http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/weekinreview/21filkins.html.Back in Iraq, Jarred by the Calm.By DEXTER FILKINSPublished: September 20, 2008……,And so they did, with a series of offensives against the Qaeda insurgents in and around Baghdad in 2007 and then, earlier this year, in Basra and in Baghdad against the Mahdi Army. Along the way, the Americans got a huge break: The leaders of Iraq’s large Sunni tribes, which had included many insurgents, decided to stop opposing the Americans and join them against Al Qaeda. The Americans, seizing the opportunities, agreed to put many of the tribesmen, including many former insurgents, on the payroll.The Sunni Awakening, as it is called, cascaded through Sunni areas across Iraq……
PeteCA • December 29th, 2008 at 10:00 am
When it crosses $900/oz many more investors will beleive (based on technicals) that gold has broken a long downtrend and is climbing to new levels.PeteCA
kilgores • December 29th, 2008 at 10:05 am
>The Economist noted last year that Roubini’s “commentary seems carefully calibrated to avoid any hint that economic disaster may be avoidable.”I would have to take issue with this assessment by The Economist. My recollection is that in 2007, Dr. Roubini was urging prompt, concerted action IN ORDER TO AVOID the potential for economic disaster, i.e., if not to avoid recession, then at least to mitigate against its depth and length. The Fed and the Treasury came late to the realization that they had a very serious problem on their hands, and at that time, Dr. Roubini justly criticized the policy responses as being too little, too late, if not completely misplaced (e.g., injecting capital into the system due to a misperception that we were facing a liquidity crisis, rather than an insolvency crisis). His predictions became more dire with the passage of time, but he has yet to embrace the “Armageddon” camp, and has consistently taken the position, without sugar coating things, that we will not experience an economic downturn on the scale of the Great Depression.Dr. Roubini is credible precisely because he has been consistent in his views, has backed them up with evidence, and has never been prone to exaggeration or hyperbole. His integrity is rare in today’s world.
PeteCA • December 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am
As the USA stands on the brink of fiscal insanity, with over $8 trillion committed by the Bush administration to various economic bailouts and rescues, we read the following news clips this morning:1. (CNN) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that despite President Bush’s low approval ratings, people will soon “start to thank this president for what he’s done.”Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says “there is no greater honor than to serve this country, so we can sit here and talk about the long record, but what I would say to you is that this president has faced tougher circumstances than perhaps at any time since the end of World War II, and he has delivered policies that are going to stand the test of time,” Rice said in an interview that aired on CBS’ “Sunday Morning.”——2. CNN) — A new national poll suggests that three out of four Americans feel President Bush’s departure from office is coming not a moment too soon. Twenty-eight percent of those polled say President Bush is the worst president in U.S. history. Seventy-five percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Friday said they’re glad Bush is going; 23 percent indicated they’ll miss him.——————–Clearly someone is out of touch.PeteCA
Little Saver • December 29th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Condoleezza Rice: “what I would say to you is that this president has faced tougher circumstances than perhaps at any time since the end of World War II”What I would think about this: perhaps, this president we’re supposed to thank for his achievements, was to a large degree responsible for the “tougher circumstances than perhaps at any time since the end of World War II” we’re in now.Make me think about comical Ali for some reason, those clowns from the Bush administration.
Bob • December 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Kudos to Nouriel for his predictions, but being on the same list as the Grand Ayatollah and Revered Wright, two lowlifes, is not something that should be flaunted.t
kilgores • December 29th, 2008 at 10:52 am
>What I would think about this: perhaps, this president we’re supposed to thank for his achievements, was to a large degree responsible for the “tougher circumstances than perhaps at any time since the end of World War II” we’re in now.Excellent. Very well said.SWK
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 11:37 am
i guess this site has turned into people magazine
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am
The implication of you statement is that with the exit of the Bush Admin. the bad actors, to a large degree, will have left the stage. In the event that is not the case, we will be in even deeper trouble having placed all of our faith, hope and trust in more of the same.As tough as it may be I think a prudent approach would be to adopt a “wait and see” or “show me” attitude with this next administration. As the old adage goes: Fool me once …
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 11:39 am
I have to say, I like the drawing/caricature of Dr. Roubini in the previous article/thread much more than this one. This one looks more like Boris Karloff.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Bush is an idiot.Because of him, anyone in the Democrats would have been elected
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
The SPLURGE worked!
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I guess if you admitted your mindless leader was a fool, that would make you a fool follower; please see a psychiatrist and get back in touch with reality, Miss Rice.
kilgores • December 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
The incompetence of the Bush Administration is unprecedented. We could have elected a chimp to succeed him and would have been better off. As it is, we elected an erudite, intelligent individual of measured temperament. Sure, the Obama administration will make it’s share of mistakes, but they will pale by comparison to those of the inept scofflaws who currently inhabit the apex of the executive branch.SWK
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
We are just hanging around waiting for the second leg down.
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
For those of you who follow my investing moves, I just covered MY APOL short at a small 1.1% gain. The reason I took the profit is that IMO, after all the reading I did, I think it is too early to short. The catalysts that would make it drop are not close to kicking in. In fact they hired a new CEO whose background indicates he is more interested in promoting the stock than improving the quality of the education at UOP. But his short term actions will very likely prop up the stock, as I will explain below.
Charles B. Edelstein (48) became Chief Executive Officer and a director of Apollo Groupin August 2008. Prior to joining Apollo Group, Mr. Edelstein was employed byCredit Suisse, a financial services firm, since 1987, and served as a ManagingDirector since 1998. He was also the head of the Global Services Group within theInvestment Banking Division of Credit Suisse. His focus was on providing advisoryservices regarding acquisitions, dispositions and capital raising transactions.Mr. Edelstein founded and oversaw Credit Suisse’s leading advisory practice in theeducation industry, where he served as advisor to many of the largest educationcompanies, including Apollo Group. Prior to that, he worked at Price Waterhouse(now PricewaterhouseCoopers) for three years as an auditor and managementconsultant. Mr. Edelstein sits on the Chicago board of directors for both Teach forAmerica and Junior Achievement. He received a Bachelor of Arts with highestdistinction from the University of Illinois and a Master of Business Administrationfrom the Harvard Business School, where he graduated as a Baker Scholar with highdistinction.
When such a CEO takes the helm, he starts promoting the stock through presentations at investor conferences organized by the investment banks and others. At these gatherings lots of Money managers bite the bullet and establish new positions. Mr. Edelstein is a new broom, and as we say in Spanish, “toda escoba nueva barre bien” (a new broom always sweeps well). The market will give him the benefit of the doubt until a bad number comes out.Now, I Will tell you more about how I learnt about the consultant in auditing/banking/management that then becomes a company CEO operates.The year was 1998, the company was Bally Total Fitness. I, as Pancho Villa at Silicon Investor, predicted the stock would go to zero (Ticker used to be BFIT then BFT when they moved to the big board, now it is delisted traded last as BFT.BE in Berlin at 60 cents a share). and it is very close to that it is a BB stock trading at around 60 cent per share. But at the time I issued my sell report the had just hired as CEO a former auditor, Lee Hillman who had all this wonderful plans that I knew wouldn’t work, but “brain dead” money managers decided to go long and then more jumped in the momentum wagon. I had to cover at a significant loss despite the fact that I was right.So going back to APOL,on Mr. Edelstein, IMO it will take some time to show his stock promoting efforts will do nothing for the business. One would imagine that if they were really interested in the academic side they would hire as CEO a provost or president away from a prestigious school.If you look at institutional ownership you will see this:http://moneycentral.msn.com/ownership?Symbol=APOL There have been net sellers of the stock. But apparently Maverick Capital, Ltd. a quality outfit profiled in KB Hedge Hunters book sees something I don’t. And Viking Global Investors LP, a Julian Robertson disciple shop, decreased its position but it is still a huge holder.What is their reason? APOL education is low quality compared to a regular university (actually below community college level) but it is the highest quality on-line education you can get, even if UOP degrees are not worth much in the market place. Their main target market are busy working adults with kids that cannot attend a regular university. They get the UOP piece of paper, keep it in the drawer while at their current job and when they try to use it to switch jobs, they find out it is worthless in the market place. But in the short term they fool themselves into believing they have done something worthwhile to improve their skills.The story on the stock now goes that it is “recession proof” as unemployed people flock to them to retool and the % of students that us title 4 money is low.I will continue to monitor closely.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
2:00 Ferries RIGHT ON TIME! Dow 8400 and comp 1500 saved.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Sucker sell-off successful! Green rally time? CM?
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I don’t see how petraeus can be the #1…Last I remember, someone rhymed petraeus with betray-us after the pro-bush assessment of the war and he started to cry like a little boy (girl).
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
(CNN) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that despite President Bush’s low approval ratings, people will soon “start to thank this president for what he’s done.”– Only those people who want to see the US destroyed.Bin Ladden’s attacks on 9/11 were to bankrupt our country. It is appalling to see how close he is from succeeding.
Little Saver • December 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Perhaps he’s on position 1 because he saved the US from even greater disasters in Irak. Personally, I don’t see how any war lord can be picked. So many positive things happen in other domains (science, medicine, technology, psychology…). Unfortunately, these things don’t gain much public attention for some reason, although alltogether they will have a high impact on our lives.War coverage sells; I tought the latest version of Grand Theft was selling very well. Hurray, what a great victory for our consumption economy. A few more of these successes and recovery is nearby. More spending, guys, do it for the good of your country!
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
DECEMBER 29, 2008, 1:54 P.M. ET As if Things Weren’t Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.In Moscow, Igor Panarin’s Forecasts Are All the Rage, America ‘Disintegrates’ in 2010By ANDREW OSBORNMOSCOW For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument, that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S.very seriously. Now he’s found an eager audience: Russian state media.Igor PanarinIn recent weeks, he’s been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. “It’s a record,” says Prof. Panarin. “But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger.”Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.But it’s his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin’s views also fit neatly with the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.”There’s a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur,” he says. “One could rejoice in that process,” he adds, poker-faced. “But if we’re talking reasonably, it’s not the best scenario — for Russia.” Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with Alaska reverting to Russian control.In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin’s ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country’s top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin’s English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.Mr. Panarin’s apocalyptic vision “reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today,” says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. “It’s much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union.”Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin’s predictions. “Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people,” says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin’s theories don’t hold water.Mr. Panarin’s résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB’s successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are “classified.”In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.”When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise,” he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. “They didn’t believe me.”At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.California will form the nucleus of what he calls “The Californian Republic,” and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of “The Texas Republic,” a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an “Atlantic America” that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls “The Central North American Republic.” Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.”It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time.” A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. “It’s not there for no reason,” he says with a sly grin.Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia’s biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt “a pyramid scheme,” and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington’s role as a global financial regulator.Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama “can work miracles,” he wrote. “But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles.”The article prompted a question about the White House’s reaction to Prof. Panarin’s forecast at a December news conference. “I’ll have to decline to comment,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino’s response was significant. “The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully,” he says.The professor says he’s convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union — 15 years beforehand. “When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him,” says Prof. Panarin.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
PPT! PPT! PPT!
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Crap!
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Many years of war would have to take place before any state would be under the control of any other country; I believe Texas would join with the Southern states creating enormous problems for any foreign power to penetrate or hold. I could see California being overrun without much resistance. I do believe we are in for times of extreme strain but the collapse of the USA is not likely and before it could happen decades of war would first have to unfold within the USA. It would be more likely for the USA to adopt a closer alliance with Europe and have its financial system tied to Europe.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
LOL, Dow and S&P rally all the way back to virtually unchanged during the magical hour! Thine eye’s do deceive me…
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Sell off until European makrets close then BAMM! This pattern is almost a sure bet now.
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Great one from Krugman: A good summary of what is wrong with the financial industry/our society. Te world has gone Mad-Off! Some great points on what many money managers did/do is not much different from what Mad-Off did.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/opinion/19krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rssOp-Ed ColumnistThe Madoff EconomyRecommendcomments (571)E-MailPrintSaveShareLinkedinDiggFacebookMixxYahoo! BuzzPermalinkBy PAUL KRUGMANPublished: December 19, 2008The revelation that Bernard Madoff — brilliant investor (or so almost everyone thought), philanthropist, pillar of the community — was a phony has shocked the world, and understandably so. The scale of his alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme is hard to comprehend.Skip to next paragraphFred R. Conrad/The New York TimesPaul KrugmanGo to Columnist Page » Blog: The Conscience of a LiberalRelatedTimes Topics: Bernard L. Madoff | Ponzi SchemesReaders’ CommentsReaders shared their thoughts on this article.Read All Comments (571) »Yet surely I’m not the only person to ask the obvious question: How different, really, is Mr. Madoff’s tale from the story of the investment industry as a whole?The financial services industry has claimed an ever-growing share of the nation’s income over the past generation, making the people who run the industry incredibly rich. Yet, at this point, it looks as if much of the industry has been destroying value, not creating it. And it’s not just a matter of money: the vast riches achieved by those who managed other people’s money have had a corrupting effect on our society as a whole.Let’s start with those paychecks. Last year, the average salary of employees in “securities, commodity contracts, and investments” was more than four times the average salary in the rest of the economy. Earning a million dollars was nothing special, and even incomes of $20 million or more were fairly common. The incomes of the richest Americans have exploded over the past generation, even as wages of ordinary workers have stagnated; high pay on Wall Street was a major cause of that divergence.But surely those financial superstars must have been earning their millions, right? No, not necessarily. The pay system on Wall Street lavishly rewards the appearance of profit, even if that appearance later turns out to have been an illusion.Consider the hypothetical example of a money manager who leverages up his clients’ money with lots of debt, then invests the bulked-up total in high-yielding but risky assets, such as dubious mortgage-backed securities. For a while — say, as long as a housing bubble continues to inflate — he (it’s almost always a he) will make big profits and receive big bonuses. Then, when the bubble bursts and his investments turn into toxic waste, his investors will lose big — but he’ll keep those bonuses.O.K., maybe my example wasn’t hypothetical after all.So, how different is what Wall Street in general did from the Madoff affair? Well, Mr. Madoff allegedly skipped a few steps, simply stealing his clients’ money rather than collecting big fees while exposing investors to risks they didn’t understand. And while Mr. Madoff was apparently a self-conscious fraud, many people on Wall Street believed their own hype. Still, the end result was the same (except for the house arrest): the money managers got rich; the investors saw their money disappear.We’re talking about a lot of money here. In recent years the finance sector accounted for 8 percent of America’s G.D.P., up from less than 5 percent a generation earlier. If that extra 3 percent was money for nothing — and it probably was — we’re talking about $400 billion a year in waste, fraud and abuse.But the costs of America’s Ponzi era surely went beyond the direct waste of dollars and cents.At the crudest level, Wall Street’s ill-gotten gains corrupted and continue to corrupt politics, in a nicely bipartisan way. From Bush administration officials like Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, who looked the other way as evidence of financial fraud mounted, to Democrats who still haven’t closed the outrageous tax loophole that benefits executives at hedge funds and private equity firms (hello, Senator Schumer), politicians have walked when money talked.Meanwhile, how much has our nation’s future been damaged by the magnetic pull of quick personal wealth, which for years has drawn many of our best and brightest young people into investment banking, at the expense of science, public service and just about everything else?Most of all, the vast riches being earned — or maybe that should be “earned” — in our bloated financial industry undermined our sense of reality and degraded our judgment.Think of the way almost everyone important missed the warning signs of an impending crisis. How was that possible? How, for example, could Alan Greenspan have declared, just a few years ago, that “the financial system as a whole has become more resilient” — thanks to derivatives, no less? The answer, I believe, is that there’s an innate tendency on the part of even the elite to idolize men who are making a lot of money, and assume that they know what they’re doing.After all, that’s why so many people trusted Mr. Madoff.Now, as we survey the wreckage and try to understand how things can have gone so wrong, so fast, the answer is actually quite simple: What we’re looking at now are the consequences of a world gone Madoff.
JimmyTheBanker • December 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
90% of politicians are buyable scumbags! They know that the US citizen is now consumed by reality TV and could care less about politics so robbing them blind has been like taking candy from a baby. Until the average US citizen cares enough to bear the responsibility of policing those they elect to represent them, the fleecing of the sheeple will be indefinite and unrelenting. As free citizens, you must police and rebel to keep them honest, it is the only way. Those who deserve it, must first be publically humiliated and then run out of town, not re-elected! (Bag-boy ring a bell??) If this were the case, newly elected officials may be more likely to do for us rather than do for themselves. If you do nothing, you can say nothing…
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
http://www.hussman.net/wmc/wmc081229.htmHussman this week. His equity positions are hedged but if market goes up he will not up the strike price on the puts becoming 70-80% unhedged.Fixed income T forget about them. Corporates still to risky. He likes TIPS
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Professor, congratulations on the spot you got. I don’t think you would have done too well fighting in Iraq:-) Next time, tell them you will pay for a better caricaturist:-)
blindman • December 29th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
h,…fool me twice…. won’t get fooled again.” g.w.that one?.you might like this. speaking of being perpetually fooled..Monday, December 29, 2008 1:00 pmPublic Affairs.http://archive.wbai.org/index.php
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
The optics of their story is great- it will mop up a tonne of stimulus money for the “retraining” of workers – talk about the dumbing down of America -
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I was busy during the final hour – man this thing is so fixed – SSO popped twenty cents in the final second – nothing ventured nothing gained -
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Another disturbing trend it what is happening in the media – Mainstream or Corporate, biased or shallow, newspapers are at the grassroots of news gathering – and they are in trouble: Tribune Co. in receivership; NY Times ad revenues down sharply; in Detroit they have cut back both delivery and publishing (4 days per week). Yes we have the internet but much of that news originates with the newspapers. (I heard something to this effect this morning on WLS Chicago)
blindman • December 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
or,i really liked that one. p.k. can write.
Wild Bill • December 29th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I don’t believe “lowlife” is an appropriate characterization of Rev. Wright. He may be bombastic and may engage in demagoguery, but the words he spoke were true. His anger is justified when seen in the face of the injustices he struggled against. He is in fact, an heroic figure and no amount of slurs can make that not so.
Little Saver • December 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
A world gone Madoff?Thought it more was like a world being Madoff, with some exception here and there (me not being an exception).
ALA • December 29th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
The American people’s moral compass has been scrubbed clean; we no longer have any absolutes to base ourselves. For every point someone raises a counter point. So to hold politicians to any standard we must first all agree upon one, and that is not possible in today’s population. We cannot even agree on points that in the recent past would have been a given like the definition of marriage as an example. How do we return to the past of right and wrong without being more convoluted by opposing views that only serve to corrupt the ever decreasing numbers of Americans with a moral compass? Even this simple statement will find disagreement with many who read it. The meaning of Morality is getting harder to define as its meaning can change as a civilization changes it beliefs so we may have passed the point where holding any one to any standard is even possible as our elected officials can legislate morality. Every wrong can be debated then justified and added to our moral code.
blindman • December 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
g,use of the word “splurge” IS funny and appropriate. but i ask , what is the meaning ofpaying your enemy to be your ally in this case? why didn’t the u.s. just send them a check,rather than send an army, and then, deliver pallets of freshly printed large bills?less casualties, no ? hmm.? cut out the middleman, war toys, death and maiming.is the death and suffering contractor lobby that strong? yea, it is.is the message “if you want justice, or financial remuneration, you need to get someweapons and kill some innocent people.”.who is sending that message?.structural and functional contradictions abound. see “moral hazard.” bush doctrine..
Payam • December 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Screw you guys, have fun playing around with a pathetic outdated metal object, or it’s paper equivalent.
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Could not have said it better myself Professor Krugaman. This is exactly how I think.I would add the abuses by the management of most publicly traded companies to the list. Reading about the abuses in compensation and other money matters MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE THROWING UP eg:APOL:http://msnmoney.brand.edgar-online.com/DisplayFilingInfo.aspx?TabIndex=2&FilingID=6305418&type=convpdf&companyid=8112&ppu=%2fDefault.aspx%3fticker%3dAPOLFor example, in addition to all the stock he owns, look at what this old fart gets just because he founded the company (and I am skipping his son):
Dr. John G. Sperling (87)is the founder and the Executive Chairman of the Board ofApollo Group. Dr. Sperling was President of Apollo Group until February 1998,Chief Executive Officer of Apollo Group until August 2001 and Chairman of theBoard until June 2004. Dr. Sperling served as Acting Executive Chairman of theBoard from January 2006 to September 2008 and has served as Executive Chairmanof the Board since September 2008. Prior to his involvement with Apollo Group,from 1961 to 1973, Dr. Sperling was a professor of Humanities at San Jose StateUniversity where he was the Director of the Right to Read Project and the Director ofthe NSF Cooperative College-School Science Program in Economics. At varioustimes from 1955 to 1961, Dr. Sperling was a member of the faculty at the Universityof Maryland, Ohio State University and Northern Illinois University. Dr. Sperlingreceived his Doctor of Philosophy from Cambridge University, a Master of Arts fromthe University of California, Berkeley, and a Bachelor of Arts from Reed College. Dr.Sperling is the father of Peter V. Sperling.Certain Relationships andTransactions with RelatedPersonsDr. John G. Sperling Note ReceivableIn August 1998, we, together with Hughes Network Systems and Hermes Onetouch, LLC,formed Interactive Distance Learning, Inc., a new corporation, to acquire One Touch Systems, aprovider of interactive distance learning solutions. We contributed $10.8 million inOctober 1999 and $1.2 million in December 1999, in exchange for a 19% interest in InteractiveDistance Learning. We accounted for our investment in Interactive Distance Learning under thecost method. Hermes is owned by Dr. John G. Sperling, our Founder and Executive Chairmanof the Board.On December 14, 2001, Hermes acquired our investment in Interactive Distance Learning inexchange for a promissory note in the principal amount of $11.9 million, which represented therelated carrying value. The promissory note accrues interest at a fixed annual rate of six percentand is due at the earlier of December 14, 2021 or nine months after Dr. Sperling’s death. Thepromissory note is included in other assets as a receivable from a related party in theConsolidated Balance Sheets as of August 31, 2008 and 2007.Apollo International, Inc.As of August 31, 2008, we directly own approximately 3.8% of the preferred stock of ApolloInternational, Inc., which provides educational products and services in India. Dr. John G.Sperling was a director of Apollo International until November 2005. In addition, we beneficially own shares of Apollo International stock indirectly through our 17% investment ina venture capital fund that owns approximately 4.1% of Apollo International stock. We received shareholder distributions of $0.6 million in 2007, and no distributions in 2008 and2006.Effective September 2002, Western International University entered into an agreement withApollo International that allows for Western International University’s educational offerings tobe made available in India through a joint venture between Apollo International and K.K. ModiInvestment and Financial Services Private Limited. The joint venture company is named ModiApollo International Group Private Limited. Apollo International is responsible for therelationship with the entities in India that are offering the Western International Universityprograms while Western International University maintains the educational content and otheracademic aspects of the programs pursuant to an agreement with Apollo International. WesternInternational University received approximately $0.2 million during the fiscal years 2008, 2007and 2006 in connection with its agreement with Apollo International.Governmental Advocates, Inc.Effective July 1, 1989, we entered into an agreement with Governmental Advocates, Inc. toprovide consulting services to us with respect to matters concerning legislation, regulations,public policy, electoral politics, and any other topics of concern to us relating to stategovernment in the State of California. Hedy F. Govenar, a director of University of Phoenix anda former director of Apollo, is the founder and Chairwoman of Governmental Advocates, Inc.On June 1, 2008, we renewed this agreement for an additional year. Pursuant to the agreement,we paid consulting fees to Governmental Advocates, Inc. of $0.1 million in fiscal years 2008,2007 and 2006.Yo Pegasus, LLCYo Pegasus, LLC, an entity controlled by Dr. John G. Sperling, leases an aircraft to us as wellas to other entities. Payments to Yo Pegasus for the business use of the airplane, includinghourly flight charges, fuel, and direct operating expenses during fiscal years 2008, 2007, and2006 were $0.4 million, $0.3 million, and $0.4 million, respectively. These amounts areincluded in general and administrative expenses in the Consolidated Statements of Income.Additionally, through May 2007 the pilots were employed by us and the costs of salaries andfringe benefits were paid through our payroll and are included in general and administrativeexpenses in the Consolidated Statements of Income. The cost to us, including payments made toYo Pegasus and the cost of pilots’ wages (including fringe benefits) during fiscal years 2008,2007 and 2006 were $0.4 million, $0.5 million, and $0.6 million, respectively.TKG Contact Center, Inc.We entered into a sublease with TKG Contact Center, Inc., an entity controlled by Dr. John G.Sperling, to lease 56,410 square feet of office space in Tempe, Arizona, for the period fromJuly 1, 2006 to November 30, 2007. We extended the lease to December 7, 2007. Payments tothis entity during fiscal years 2008, 2007, and 2006 were $0.3 million, $0.9 million, and$0.2 million, respectively.Sperling GalleryWe lease certain artwork pursuant to a contract between Apollo Group and an art gallery ownedby Virginia Sperling. Virginia Sperling is the former wife of Dr. John Sperling and the motherof Mr. Peter Sperling. Lease payments under the contract during fiscal years 2008, 2007, and2006 were $37,000, $37,000, and $39,000, respectively.PoliPoint Press, LLCPoliPoint Press, LLC, an entity controlled by Dr. John G. Sperling, provides editorial servicesfor Apollo. Payments made to PoliPoint Press during fiscal year 2008 were $5,000.Credit Suisse Share Repurchase ServicesDuring fiscal years 2008 and 2007, Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC, an affiliate of theprevious employer of Charles B. Edelstein, our Chief Executive Officer, and Gregory W.Cappelli, our Executive Vice President, Global Strategy and Assistant to the ExecutiveChairman, managed a share repurchase program for Apollo. We paid Credit Suisse Securitiesapproximately $196,000 and $143,000 in commissions for this service during fiscal years 2008and 2007, respectively. Our engagement of Credit Suisse Securities and payment of these feesoccurred after Mr. Cappelli joined Apollo in March 2007, and prior to the time Mr. Edelsteinaccepted employment with Apollo in July 2008.Earth Day NetworkDuring fiscal year 2008, University of Phoenix Foundation, a non-profit entity affiliated withthe University of Phoenix, provided a grant of $50,000 to Earth Day Network in response to agrant request received in May 2008. Art Edelstein, the Director of Development of Earth DayNetwork, is the brother of Charles B. Edelstein, our Chief Executive Officer. The Foundationreceived and approved this grant request prior to the time Mr. Edelstein accepted employmentwith Apollo in July 2008.Deferred Compensation Agreement with Dr. John G. SperlingApollo and Dr. John G. Sperling are parties to a Deferred Compensation Agreement, for whichwe recorded long-term liability of $2,326,000 in 2008 and $2,197,000 in 2007.
Jason B • December 29th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Moral relativism makes the ground beneath your feet dissolve away.
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aApG5YFe53Q0Madoff, under house arrest in his Manhattan apartment, faces as much as 10 years in prison and a $5 million fine if convicted. Doesn’t this sound a bit lite? What does one get for armed robbery with forced entrance into an inhabited apartment, 1000 bucks stolen, no-one injured?
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KDJNUZzYdU&feature=channel_page
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/10-20-life/10-20-LIFEPoster is available in English and Spanish versions and can be ordered online.- Mandates a minimum 10 year prison term for certain felonies, or attempted felonies in which the offender possesses a firearm or destructive device- Mandates a minimum 20 year prison term when the firearm is discharged- Mandates a minimum 25 years to LIFE if someone is injured or killed- Mandates a minimum 3 year prison term for possession of a firearm by a felon- Mandates that the minimum prison term is to be served consecutively to any other term of imprisonment imposedIMO, mother$&@^! Mad-Off should get life!
blindman • December 29th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
a,.listen to this……http://archive.wbai.org/index.php.wrongs prove themselves if you are clear and attentive.
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Here in Argentina there was a piece of news in Cronica TV (like the National Enquirer) saying GWB is having an affair with C. Rice and will divorce Laura to marry her as soon as his presidency is over:-)
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Yeah! unbelievable! I am glad I made a few bucks on the short; about a month’s worth of living expenses here in Argentina. Will keep a very close eye on it. Conference calls etc. looking for signs of a breakdown if it ever happens. Will I have to wait 10 more years?:-)
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Remember when the Prof. first started talking about the trillion number and many thought he was crazy?Madoff Hearing Set as House Weighs Regulatory Changes (Update2)http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=adTqu0BDRIR4&refer=home“Congress is planning a regulatory overhaul after a financial crisis that has led to more than $1 trillion in writedowns and credit losses since 2007. “
Octavio Richetta • December 29th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I wonder if the kids at Maverick read this. Why would anyone invest in a company where management places such a great deal of effort on cheating stockholders out of a buck instead of using all that energy to excel in the business? Katherine, talk to Da Boss at Maverick. This is very disappointing!And you have not seen the compensation package for the new CEO. It comes out to about 3+ million a year. And still he is so cheap that he gets three thousand a month for living expenses while at Phoenix (apparently he commutes)which perhaps skips compensation scrutiny as a tax tax free company expense.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Monday, December 29, 2008 3:00 pmPublic Affairs.http://archive.wbai.org/index.php..the curious shoe and it’s relativesignificance.smoking ruin? min. 31 . 00david lindorff.then …the story of gold.
Wolf in the Wilds • December 29th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
I have been mulling over the economic outlook of the world as well as the fiscal situation of the various economic powers. No matter what I assume, the outcome appears to be dire:(1) The US will have a budget deficit will be exceed US$2.5trn before contingents kick in(2) The Fed will be forced to go to the printing press to finance this deficit because there will be not enough USD out there to finance it.(3) The USD will collapse and the bond market will collapse as foreign holders of US Treasuries and GSE paper start exiting (or just not rolling or adding).(4) Corporate credits will start to default en masse as economic activity grinds to a halt.(5) The Federal Reserve will be forced to go to the US Treasury for a bailout as a majority of the assets it has lent against go belly up.(6) Americans start to exit the USD as the value of the dollar gets pummeled. Cost of imports will rise to exorbitant levels(7) The USD will cease to be the world transactional currency.(8) In order to boost foreign reserves, the US government will confiscate all gold and foreign currency in the country in exchange for USD.(9) The US will go to war to expand reservable assets.Originally, I had thought the process to take at least half a decade but I think I am too optimistic. The reckless path that the US Treasury and Federal Reserve have chosen will accelerate this event. The rest of the world will also suffer as the over-reliance on the US consumer is pervasive. However, high reserve countries like China, Russia and Japan will use their considerable financial flexibility to support domestic demand and the domestic economy. Europe will face turmoil as well but again, the desire to protect the value of the currency over irresponsible monetary policy should see them re-emerge stronger. The Middle East will abandon the USD peg and move to a basket, which will spark the move to price gold in a basket of currencies rather than in USD. This will also lead to other commodities moving away from USD pricing as the value of the USD continues to be destroyed. The logic is irrefutable. If you were selling as asset, why would you accept a currency that is devaluing on a daily basis? This applies to the individual as well as corporations, and countries.I am afraid we are pass the tipping point and on firmly on the highway to financial paradigm shift that will lead to a very painful global economic adjustments and probably, a very hostile geopolitical environment.The other question would be will there be a revolution in the US if the citizens realize that they are being enslaved by the different vested interests that control their elected officials?
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Not to worry OR – there is justice after all:
An ex-convict could face a life prison term after being charged Friday with five robberies of 7-Eleven stores in Oakland and Berkeley, authorities said.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n21039365
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
and just in case some folks were skeptical that there is justice, there is this from Bloomberg in the past few minutes:Treasury to Buy $5 Billion GMAC Stake, Expand GM Loan (Update1)
Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury said it will purchase a $5 billion stake in GMAC LLC, the financing arm of General Motors Corp.Treasury will also lend an additional $1 billion to GM so the automaker can participate in a rights offering at GMAC to support the lender’s reorganization as a bank holding company, the Treasury announced today. The loan is in addition to $13.4 billion the Treasury agreed earlier this month to lend to GM and Chrysler LLC.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anb6MiPINGT8&refer=home
Hayes • December 29th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I meant to say (sarcastically) “skeptical that there is no justice – but I think the way I put it is even more appropriate.
Wolf in the Wilds • December 29th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
They are bailing out Private Equity now…..Who is next in the soup line??
Robert Wong • December 29th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
How many more civilians to be killed will be considered wrong?I vote professor for top #1.
ptm • December 29th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
I wish I could be as generous. My guess is that this is to be used by GMAC to pay to central banks for CDS counterparty obligations! If they need more, well tough luck.
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Here’s a two-phase approach that we should have used to win a war against both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein without shooting a single bullet:PHASE ONE:Provide each family in Afghanistan and Iraq with1. free key communication technology: laptop computers, plasma TVs, satellite TV receivers, and the like.2. inexpensive food.PHASE TWO:Transmit friendly, entertaining, and useful programming that helps your country win over the hearts of the populace. Do this for a period of a few years, while gradually ‘corrupting’ the programming (in an underhanded, not-so-obvious way of course).
Guest • December 29th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Have fun being a broke dumbass
Yve • December 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
So funny how no one was complaining when their portfolios were doing gangbusters, now that the proverbial chickens have come home to roost, the moral outrage is deafening. I can hear the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth all the way up here. Didn’t hear anything prior to the party coming to an end. Just wonderment and blissful sighs of satisfaction whilst reading the monthly statements. Don’t ask, don’t tell…until one day Kaboom! Now we have to find all the bad guys and make examples of them, show them to the world for what they are. Oh! The humanity. Such hypocrisy.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Not a flattering drawing of you Professor. You are studlier, at least in your prognostication capabilities, than that would signify. All the best in the new year, bello.
stevemac • December 30th, 2008 at 1:06 am
EXCERT FROM A LETTER I JUST SENT TO Andrew CuomoIn investigating Bernie Madoff I find that he had 3 types of businesses, an investment advisor arm, a Hedge Fund, and as a Market Maker. Bernie Madoff was at one point chairman of the board of the NASDAQ. Earlier in his career according to his own admission (in a taped gathering) at the forefront of electronic trading. He had developed contacts all around the world and in particular Switzerland.The news media keeps calling this a Ponzi scheme and that nobody can figure out where the money went. They all suspect that he was robbing Peter (new investors) to pay Paul (old investors) and hail him as almost a genius to have kept this fraud hidden from investigators and only due to economic conditions ( redemptions) that finally wiped him out exposing his fraud.I totally disagree with this conclusion. I believe that the BULK of the fraud he committed was carried out via Naked Shorting. I have found many pieces of information that leads me to this conclusion. I am well versed on the issue of Naked Shorting and have been an advocate since 2003 on eliminating this fraud through several investment groups.First of all he was a Market Maker. He boasted on one of his tapes that his yearly trades exceeded 1 trillion dollars. As a Market Maker and with his background experience of electronic trading, chairman of the NASDAQ and other advisory position. Madoff knew exactly how the system worked. He was able to “game” the system via Naked Shorting through his market making firm. Madoff even had an SEC exemption rule named after him called the Madoff exception rule ( ) this rule allows Market Makers to naked short an illiquid stock in order to maintain an orderly market. But, this is normally a rare occurrenceIMHO, it was through this exception rule that Bernie perpetrated his fraud. This exception rule was used to “naked” short many stocks and the SEC turned its head for the longest time. I believe it was only when the pressure was put on politicians and regulators by certain groups of individual and small investors like myself that this fraud of Naked shorting was exposed and that the “Bernie Madoffs” of the worlds will begin to come to light. I believe the Madoff case is only the tip of the iceberg.I actually believe that the United States was under attack via a form of financial terrorism. I believe we were attacked from both offshore Hedge Funds and onshore white collar criminal associates. I believe that it will surface that Organize crime is involved as well as white collar individuals and entities driven by GREED.I will list below a few of the links I found that support my conclusion and these links come from legitimate websites including the SEC.I would also ask since I am only an amateur investor that you would try and contact some of the professionals who are champions of Naked shorting who may support my conclusion. I believe as you view these links you will be shocked to learn how prevalent the fraud of Naked Shorting is/was.They are as follows:1. Patrick Byrne, CEO of Overstock.com who I think is a genius and has taken this issue head on.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIHw7C73s3E must watch Patrick Byrnehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_FZO9-ZIWU&feature=related2. Robert J. Shapiro – economist and current member of Obama’s transition team.http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/rshapiro122403.htm3. Dave Patch – of Investigatethesec.com who is also a champion of eliminating Naked Shorting and fraud from our markets.http://www.investigatethesec.com/drupal-5.5/?q=node/105 Jan 4th 2007 stockgate article mentioning Madoff.http://www.investigatethesec.com/drupal-5.5/?q=node/517http://www.investigatethesec.com/drupal-5.5/files/Madoff%20Mtg%20w%20SEC.pdfhttp://www.investigatethesec.com/drupal-5.5/files/Madoff%20Comment%20letter.pdf Madoff comment to the SEC’s on REG SHO rule in Jan 8th 2004http://www.investigatethesec.com/drupal-5.5/?q=node/531 article Sept 5th 1985 Wall Street Journalhttp://www.sec.gov/rules/final.shtml SEC final rules page. Read the following Oct 14th 2008 rules. Amendment to regulation SHO. Naked short Anti-fraud rule ,etc.http://camrhon.proboards102.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=safe&thread=5073 A must read. Proof of DTCC role is helping facilitate Naked Shorting.DTCC = Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation which is a division of the Federal Reserve.
stevemac • December 30th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Bernie Madoff submitted comments to the SEC in Jan 8th 2004 in regards to Regulation SHO which was put in place to try and curve Naked Short selling. His comments were aimed at protecting the Market Makers ability to Naked ShortBernie’s world of naked shorting began to unwind when the SEC finally began to crackdown on naked shorting on Oct 14th 2008 with the implementation of the Naked Short Anti-Fraud rule and the elimination of the Market Maker exception rule. I believe that many more Hedge Funds will be exposed and charge with committing this Fraud on the investing Public
GSM • December 30th, 2008 at 1:50 am
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2008/12/dancing-on-precipice-balance-of-terror.htmlA good analysis of the currentl position of the USD hegemony. This is a ticking timebomb.Make no mistake, the forthcoming crisis in the USD will shake the world financial system to it’s core. At worst, it will cause a meltdown in the US bond markets precipitating a radical and far reaching response from the US (default, hyperinflation or war).
OR • December 30th, 2008 at 2:07 am
How is the Cerberus crowd making out in the deal?
Octavio Richetta • December 30th, 2008 at 2:23 am
It is coming…Recession Opens U.S.-China Rift Paulson Talks Bridged (Update1)http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=ai3pbN.JY7tY&refer=home
Octavio Richetta • December 30th, 2008 at 2:40 am
People Pulling Up to Pawnshops Today Are Driving Cadillacs and BMWsWell-to-Do Turn to Last-Resort Lenders; Putting Up Diamonds, Dumpsters as Collateralhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB123059909346041273.html
Pecos Banker • December 30th, 2008 at 3:35 am
How about all of us Roubini-ites making predictions ourselves. Here’s one from me: Dollar goes to 60 on the USD index in 2009. Gold goes to 1500 USD. Euro goes to 1.60 USD.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 4:06 am
I agree with you stevemac I belive that bernie madeoff was selling counterfit shares aka “naked shorting” companies into oblivion and the S.E.C. stood by and let it happen. at first I thought naked shorting was a joke and that it rarley happend but I was wrong. naked shorting is counterfiting plain and simple and if people knew that they potentially were sold counterfit shares it would crash the market. with many people not holding paper certs it’s an easy crime to get away with when you have the regulators in your pocket ( bernie madeoff) or not enforcing the rules like( Knights derviates,gs,mer…). it’s not untill one really digs into the issue does one find just how damn corrupt the system has gotten I tend to be an optimist and dont think everyone on wall street is a theif but god dammit their sure are a bunch that screwd us all real bad.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 4:36 am
Well I am definetly not a Roubini-ite. Any person suggesting that 1 trillion stimulus package will ease up the economy, this when the country already has an 1-2 trillion budget deficit plus is bankrupt, is insane!! Furthermore any person that beleives that zero interstrates and a Fed printig press going mad will make the economy recover must also be insane.
GSM • December 30th, 2008 at 4:47 am
So, if China decides to reduce exposure to US Treasuries, on what will it spend it’s USD’s?Resource Companies and resources/commodities? Technology companies? Industrial process companies? Domestic demand drivers?It may not yet be clear, but letting US dollars simply pile up in their coffers seems like quite a waste for China.It makes sense for China to protect their investment in US bonds with a hedge of some kind, possibly gold.They still need and will always continue to need resources and energy. China’s technological position is still well behind the west so procuring technology, particularly medical technology, will be an imperitive.China’s relatively low domestic consumption (as a % of total GDP)is being exposed as a weakness. This will recieve China’s attention so growth in financial services, banking and credit markets etc would seem a logical outcome of this.This is of course assuming that China can weather the current downturn in reasonable shape.I believe they can and will. Don’t underestimate the ruthlessness of China if it feels threatened by public disorder or societal breakdown.They can hammer down very quickly and effectively on the populace to the extent that order is restored and in the end that is all that matters to them.It is likely that this GFC will end up positioning China in a far better position globally than any other major economy, at the expense of the US.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 4:59 am
i saw him around that time in greenport theater.
Jason B • December 30th, 2008 at 5:03 am
China needs to sell stuff to the US to keep its people employed. They have to grow at something like 8% just to tread water. The US consumer is already tapped out – who will buy the stuff? Regardless of if China buys treasuries or not, we aren’t buying their stuff.China may continue its agressive exporting, and we may impose tarrifs. They may not buy treasuries. But the underlying fact is that the US consumer is done for awhile.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 6:14 am
After all the talk, inflation or deflation?
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 6:35 am
I wish I knew.
jomos • December 30th, 2008 at 7:20 am
200 year chart of the DOW/GOLD ratio which was at 70:1 in 1999 is going to trend towards a ratio of 1:1 in the next decade. (DOW 1000:GOLD 1000 or DOW 5000:GOLD 5000) What say you ?
jomos • December 30th, 2008 at 7:22 am
It’s 10:1 today .)
S. Claus • December 30th, 2008 at 7:33 am
I think that is why the sentence that introduces the dude says “…Petraeus, who holds a PhD from Princeton…”. Otherwise people might think how is that guy classified as an intellectual. Well all respect to him from one point of view, or actually two:1. he probably got involved with the army because he thought it is a way to do something for the people in his own country (or something along those lines)2. the reason why he is listed could also be because some people are thankful he has stuck out with the Iraq assignment and has not resigned (or something along those lines)
jomos • December 30th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Renaming Ponzi scheme to FOMzi scheme in honor of Fed’s Open Market efforts.)
James • December 30th, 2008 at 7:50 am
With KGB analysts like that, it’s no wonder they lost the cold war.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 7:57 am
He’ll get a light sentence unless the jury finds out his middle name is “OJ”!
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:02 am
Ah, but inflation is the perfect answer for the cowardly bureaucrat.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:06 am
The path to truth is to first realize that one was a hypocrite.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:07 am
g, u 2 smart.
Hayes • December 30th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Firstto post that there is aNEW THREAD
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:08 am
well that sort of “predictions” are just as dumb as some crazy anglo-saxon journalist predicting the break-up of EU or the Euro-zone. The fact is that governmental leaders have far more power than what is publicly admitted (at least if you are a leader of a nuclear armed government, or a “western” non-nuclear government).
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:09 am
w, i like him too. he is the real deal. so.. he gets creamed in the press.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:11 am
gunbelievable. the real deal. gets better every year.
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:19 am
and for those African, Russian, Asian, or European readers who do not know what kind of paper is “National Enquirer”, it is one that should not be taken very seriously. They are nearly in the same class with another U.S. paper (although I do not know if this still exists) : Weekly World News. “Weekly World News” is (was?) the sort of paper where you could read (on the front cover) about someone seeing Elvis in a supermarket or another person getting abducted by aliens, and similar very believable stories;-)
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:21 am
23 percent indicated they’ll miss him? I think these are those who cannot prefers Bush’s State of the Union address to Saturday Night Live for the same sort of comedy effect
FumbleFingers • December 30th, 2008 at 8:22 am
sorry I meant:23 percent indicated they’ll miss him? I think these are those who prefer Bush’s State of the Union address to Saturday Night Live for the same sort of comedy effect
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 8:24 am
In an honest, non manipulated world, this is a likely scenario. However, the U.S. govt will do anything and I mean anything to not let this happen. It’s one thing to let 10% of homeowners lose their homes or their jobs, but those in power have learned from history in order to stave off a revolution, they must maintain the economy by “hook or crook”. The money needed will come from somewhere even if the U.S. govt has to tell us that foreigners are still buying our debt when they aren’t. How would we really know? No one has ever been able to force the Fed/Treasury to be open and transparent or have independent auditing: they can and will do whatever they want to preserve the current balance of power! Suffering will only be allowed to a certain point which is determined by the elite and until the average American wakes up and stops spending all of his time in front of a TV or continually consuming the “latest and greatest”, he will remain in bondage to his own ignorance!
Guest • December 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Absolutely. You should have 10-20% of your wealth in gold, just to have your portfolio insured against destruction of money.I’ll sell my gold only after FED sells its gold reserves.
Guest • January 11th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Can I be third second?











