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It is now time to downgrade the monoliners: a business model that cannot survive without an AAA rating is a business model that cannot fundamentally deserve an AAA rating

Update: Nouriel Roubini will be tonite Thursday on CNBC’s Kudlow & Company at 7pm to debate “Recession or Not?”

 

The shocking and surprising revelation by MBIA – one the leading monoliners, i.e. bond insurers – that it has guaranteed $8.1 billion of collateralized debt obligations repackaging other CDOs and securities linked to subprime mortgages (i.e. it is holding the very risky CDOs of CDOs) – is the last drop in this monoliners’ farce: it is time for the credit rating agencies to downgrade most of these monoliners from their AAA rating status. One can spend a long time discussing the relative riskiness of each of these monoliners and whether the capital injections that some of them are now receiving is enough to prevent the downgrade that rating agencies are considering. But discussing these important details risks losing the vision of the forest while being obsessed with watching the trees or individual leaves on each monoliner tree.
 

The forest issues is simple: a business – the monoliners’ insurance of securities and holding of risky ABS securities – that is fundamentally based on having a AAA rating is a business that does not deserve a AAA rating in the first place: it is clear to all that if a monoliner were to lose its AAA rating the essence of its business model would fail and such monoliner would have to close shop. But in any industry you have firms that can do business and thrive with an AA or A or even lower rating, even among major financial institutions. Here we have instead an industry that would go bankrupt as soon as its AAA rating is lost: by definition this is not an industry that can deserve a AAA rating. So the issue is not one of how sound these monoliners are managed or whether they have enough capital or whether they can raise new capital to maintain their AAA status. There is a fundamental and conceptual flaw in a business model that is conditional on a AAA  rating and that is in a business that insures assets and firms that do not have a AAA rating. This is analogue to the voodoo finance of taking subprime and BBB mortgage backed securities and turning them into AAA by the black magic of CDO tranching.
 

Add to this mess the fact that monoliners collectively insure $3,300bn of principal and interest (less than 30% of it ABS) with only a $22bn capital base. Of course a downgrade of monoliners will have a severe knock-on effect of potential downgrade on muni and other bond markets; analysts have estimated that such downgrades could cause losses writedowns of about $200bn. But these risks cannot be an excuse for not admitting that the monoliners don’t deserve an AAA rating. As long as monoliners were only in the muni bonds insurance business one could have made the argument that a prudent monoliner did deserve an AAA rating; but now that monoliners have vastly expanded in the ABS world of insuring toxic RMBSs, CDO, CDOs of CDOs and in some cases even holding these assets on their portfolios such an AAA rating does not make any sense.
 

So enough of wasting time on dissecting the assets and liabilities and capital of individual monoliners; their business model is conceptually flawed in the first place; and their actual business practices have been even more flawed as they have now insured for years toxic RMBS, CDOs, and CDOs of CDOs. The wariness of rating agencies to downgrade the monoliners is understandable: such a downgrade will imply an instant death sentence for any monoliner that is downgraded; it will lead to loss of business for the rating agencies themselves; and it will trigger massive losses on muni bonds.
 

But the current charade of pretending that the monoliners are under review to give them time to raise more capital to avoid such a downgrade is another case of rating agencies supporting a rotten business model. The actual behavior of such monoliners has proven that they are not transparent, that they hold or insure a mass of skeletons and toxic waste securities and they have been dishonest in hiding from investors the toxic waste that they hold and insure. So it is time to stop this charade of rating forbearance and admit that the emperor has no clothes: a business model that cannot survive without an AAA rating is conceptually a business model that cannot deserve under any circumstance an AAA rating; period! Arguing otherwise is believing in voodoo black magic.

 

156 Responses to “It is now time to downgrade the monoliners: a business model that cannot survive without an AAA rating is a business model that cannot fundamentally deserve an AAA rating”

AnonymousDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:00 am

MBIA Bond Risk Soars on $8.1 Billion CDO Disclosure (Update2)  By Shannon D. Harrington and Christine Richard  Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) — MBIA Inc. tumbled the most since 1987, and the risk of default soared after the world’s biggest bond insurer revealed that it guarantees $8.1 billion of collateralized debt obligations repackaging other CDOs and securities linked to subprime mortgages.  Credit-default swaps tied to Armonk, New York-based MBIA’s bonds climbed 115 basis points to 595 basis points, the widest on record, according to CMA Datavision in London. MBIA shares plunged $6.90, or 26 percent, to $20.12 as of 10:27 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.  MBIA posted a document on its Web site late yesterday showing it insured the so-called CDOs-squared, a potentially riskier form of security than what the company typically guarantees. Rising defaults on subprime mortgages packaged into securities have led to bond downgrades and threatened MBIA’s AAA guaranty rating.  “We are shocked management withheld this information for as long as it did,” Ken Zerbe, an analyst with Morgan Stanley in New York, wrote in a report yesterday. “MBIA simply did not disclose arguably the riskiest parts of its CDO portfolio to investors.”  The disclosure followed Standard & Poor’s decision yesterday to lower its outlook to negative for the AAA ratings of the bond insurance units of MBIA and Ambac Financial Group Inc. A telephone call to Elizabeth James, a MBIA spokeswoman, wasn’t immediately returned.  Shattered Confidence  “How is confidence expected to return to the capital markets when these types of surprises continue to pop up?” said Peter Plaut, an analyst at New York-based hedge fund manager Sanno Point Capital Management.  Credit-default swaps tied to MBIA’s bond insurer, MBIA Insurance Corp., climbed the most in at least a year. The five- year contracts, used to speculate on the company’s ability to repay its debt or hedge against the risk it doesn’t, rose 95 basis points to 340 basis points, CMA prices show. That means it would cost $340,000 a year to protect $10 million in MBIA Insurance bonds from default for five years.  Contracts tied to Ambac rose 30 basis points to 595 basis points, according to CMA.  The Markit CDX North America Investment Grade Index, a benchmark credit-default swap index linked to the bonds of 125 companies, including MBIA Insurance, rose 0.75 basis point to 78.25 basis points as of 9:54 a.m. in New York, according to Deutsche Bank AG. It fell to as low as 76.5 basis points earlier.  Credit-default swaps, contracts conceived to protect bondholders against default, pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a company fail to adhere to its debt agreements.  Merrill Lynch  MBIA’s disclosure explains why S&P and Moody’s Investors Service turned more negative on the industry in recent weeks, Zerbe said. Last month, Moody’s said MBIA was “unlikely” to fall below its target capital level for an AAA bond insurer despite downgrades of securities backed by subprime mortgages. Ambac had been flagged as “moderately” likely to need more capital.  “This disclosure completely changes our view of MBIA being a more conservative underwriter relative to Ambac,” Zerbe wrote.  Subprime mortgages are made to borrowers with poor or limited credit histories or high debt burdens.  CDOs have accounted for the biggest portion of the more than $70 billion in writedowns in the past two quarters at the world’s biggest banks. CDOs-squared have lost the most on a percentage basis among CDOs linked to subprime mortgages, New York-based Merrill Lynch & Co.’s third-quarter disclosures showed.  When announcing it would write down top classes of CDOs by $5.8 billion in the third quarter, Merrill cut the value of CDOs- squared by $800 million, leaving it with $600 million of “net exposure.”  Other securities firms including New York-based Citigroup Inc., Morgan Stanley and UBS AG have reported larger fourth- quarter CDO losses.  To contact the reporters on this story: Shannon D. Harrington in New York at sharrington6@bloomberg.net ; Christine Richard in New York at crichard5@bloomberg.net .

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:01 am

MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion (Update2)  By Christine Richard and Cecile Gutscher  Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) — The crisis of confidence in bond insurers that bestow top credit ratings on debt sold by borrowers from the New York Yankees to Citigroup Inc. may cost investors as much as $200 billion.  The AAA ratings of MBIA Inc., Ambac Financial Group Inc. and their five smaller competitors are being reviewed by Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings. Without guarantees, $2.4 trillion of bonds may fall in value and some issuers would get shut out of the capital markets.  “We shudder to think of the ramifications,” said Greg Peters, head of credit strategy at New York-based Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest U.S. securities firm by market value. “You have politicians, taxpayers, municipalities, states. It just opens up a Pandora’s box. That is a huge destabilizing force.”  For more than 20 years, the safety of insurance has eased the way for elementary schools, Wall Street banks and thousands of municipalities to sell debt with unquestioned credit quality. Now, mounting downgrades on insured bonds backed by assets such as mortgages are raising doubts about the stability of the guarantors. Armonk, New York-based MBIA, the world’s largest, has a 28 percent probability of default, and Ambac’s is 40 percent, prices of derivatives show.  

small investorDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:34 am

Thanks for the info, it’s time to look for protection, I guess. I suppose not under the umbrella of MBIA, Ambac, Citigroup, Blackstone…  It’s getting lonely and cold here in investment land. 

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:40 am

The Chicago Fed National Activity Index was −0.27 in November, up from −0.89 in October. Three of the four broad categories of indicators—employment, consumption and housing, and sales, orders, and inventories—made negative contributions to the index in November, while the production and income category made a slight positive contribution.

HubbsDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:45 am

Basically the whole idea of ratings agencies would appear to be a farce and worse…in fact these agencies provide disinformation… a situation worse than no information. Bond issuers would require more transparency if there were no rating agencies as investors would be more careful. These rating agencies are a ruse to give investors false assurance so that true risk based cost of credit is lowered.

JMaDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:49 am

All analysts, economists, media players, etc. are completely trivialized and made pointless and irrelevant when a market is manipulated. Integrity in the US equity markets was lost some time ago. Bravo Ben, Hank and “W” ! Well Done !

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:53 am

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Bear Stearns Cos. (BSC:The Bear Stearns Companies Inc News, chart, profile, more  Last: 89.27-1.33-1.47%  11:33am 12/20/2007  cut 1,400 jobs, or roughly 9% of its workforce, during its fourth quarter, as the investment bank adjusted to turmoil in the mortgage market and a slowdown in the securitization business, Chief Financial Officer Sam Molinaro said during a conference call with analysts on Thursday. The firm incurred $100 million in severance costs from the layoffs, but they will reduce operating costs by more than $250 million, helping to boost profitability in 2008, Molinaro added.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:56 am

All of this credit trouble just means higher taxes for the US now. Muni issues will be at higher yields and thus the public tab will skyrocket because the US infrastructure is already 20 years outdated…Get out your bellbottoms and beeGee’s albums cause this is the ’70′s all over again…

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:05 am

UH-OH!! Philly Fed contracting… 12:01 U.S. June Philly Fed below consensus +6.0 12:01 U.S. Dec Philly Fed -5.7 

Skin the ShortsDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:05 am

$92 oil? My relatives in Romania are telling me stories of people stripping their heaters from their apartments becasue with oil this high their heating bills are HIGHER than their rents/mortgages! Many ahve had their apt. repossesed and sold at auction because of liens that were put on becuase of high heating bills.  Their rental/property markets are local. Their energy markets are international. They are competing for oil with GS bankers and guess who can afford to pay more/ How do these people cope? Heat with wood. Heat on for 2hrs a day only. Completely seal windows.

MojoDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:07 am

Oh, it gets better:  UPDATE 2-MBIA says it has $30.6 bln exposure to CDOs  NEW YORK, Dec 20 (Reuters) – The world’s largest bond insurer MBIA (MBI.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said it has exposure to $30.6 billion of collateralized debt obligations it insures, including a large exposure to risky bonds known as CDO squared.  MBIA has exposure to $8.1 billion of CDOs backed by high-grade collateral, including mostly risky bonds known as CDOs of CDOs, or CDO squared, MBIA said on its Web site late Wednesday. The company’s net worth through Sept. 30 was $6.5 billion, so writing down this amount could wipe out MBIA’s entire value.  http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN2016880920071220?rpc=44

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:08 am

A repost of a Christmas message retrieved from the morning mail.    ‘Tis the Season    Nouriel Roubini daily raises and deals with what is arguably one of the most critical topics in the world — the finances of the United States government — and allows open comment. This free market of argument faceting off his economic prowess has capsulized into one of today’s most invaluable worldwide forums.    As I depart for the Christmas holy day I want to give thanks to Dr. Roubini and all here for a most provocative and

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:11 am

Friggin idiot politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can do nothing to stop them, NOTHING!!!  ”The bill they just passed includes about 9,800 earmarks. Together with the previously passed defense spending bill, that means Congress has approved about 11,900 earmarks this year.”  Bush then said he will be asking his budget director, Jim Nussle, to review ways to deal “with the wasteful spending in the omnibus bill.”  Those earmarks originated on both sides of the aisle, including:  — $2.2 million for cricket control in Nevada  — $223,000 for beaver management in North Carolina, and $475,000 for beaver management in Mississippi  — $244,000 for bee research in Texas  

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:16 am

Repost:  Sign of the times? Friends of mine went to exchange $1000 at Citibank subsidiary located in Germany. Guy said he could only exchange $500.    There was a sign on the counter, which said that withdrawals of more than 10.000 Euro had to be prepared 4 days in advance, but that might be normal procedure.

JMaDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:20 am

“Rumours go that Goldman Sachs just started shorting its own stock…   Written by small investor on 2007-12-20 10:57:37″  that is funny :)   so the next quarter ‘s earnings release would be equal to the market cap loss in the stock if they leverage shorted themselves ha ha ha

CitoriDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:22 am

Rumours go that Goldman Sachs just started shorting its own stock…   Written by small investor on 2007-12-20 10:57:37   Great commentary yesterday in Barrons Online “Cancel the elections…..GS already runs everything anyway”……Ha Ha Ha.

CitoriDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:26 am

“$244,000 for bee research in Texas”   Guest, don’t knock this funding. Bees are essential to the eco system. If you want to eat, gotta have bees.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:30 am

@JMa:   ”Rumours go that Goldman Sachs just started shorting its own stock…      so the next quarter ‘s earnings release would be equal to the market cap loss in the stock if they leverage shorted themselves ha ha ha   Yes, something like MBIA insuring Citigroup bonds and Citigroup buying MBIA shares…  Wonder how many of such loopholes are hiding out there…  Written by JMa on 2007-12-20 11:20:42

small investorDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:43 am

@Citori:  Great commentary yesterday in Barrons Online “Cancel the elections…..GS already runs everything anyway”……Ha Ha Ha.   Written by Citori on 2007-12-20 11:22:12  Yes, I guess they sponsor them all, 100% chance for successs. Must be peanuts for them.  Democracy? 

charlieDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:54 am

a business model that cannot survive without an AAA rating is a business model that cannot fundamentally deserve an AAA rating  That’s hilarious. It funny because it’s true. They can go from AAA rating one day to bankrupt the next. How can a business be rated AAA if it can go bankrupt that easily?

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

I get frustrated with earmarks also, but beavers can actually cause a lot of expensive damage in water management infrastructure. Prevention is cheaper than the cure.  Likewise for bees, the colony collapse disorder going around has the potential of causing billions of dollars of loss in the agriculture business, not to mention damaging our food supply. It is very concerning actually.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Taj Mahal Won’t Accept Bush Dollars as India Laments Lost Value  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a4zLUifSh7pg&refer=home By James G. Neuger and Simon Kennedy  Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) — The Taj Mahal, one of the world’s architectural masterpieces, welcomes about 2.5 million visitors each year — provided they don’t try to buy tickets with dollars. India’s most popular shrine announced in November that it would stop accepting the U.S. currency and take only rupees, hurling yet another insult at the once mighty greenback.   The dollar, which has been snubbed by everybody from government officials in Kuwait and South Korea to top-earning Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bundchen, may not recover its luster. Economists say the currency, which has declined in five of the past six years against the euro, is caught in a downdraft as investors pour into Asia, prompting a tectonic shift in economic power from the U.S…. 

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 12:52 pm

“Prevention is cheaper than the cure”  LOL…this made me reflect on an idea of the seventies that said,”throw your garbage on the street or in the water you are creating jobs.   Just think of all those complex measurements in parts/billion – risk management and the effects of these molecules on determining life spans.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pm

How do these people cope? Heat with wood. Heat on for 2hrs a day only. Completely seal windows. Written by Skin the Shorts on 2007-12-20 11:05:43   We’re soon going to find out. My gas and electric and water bills are now so high with tack-on fees that it’s expensive just to be connected. Every time a user here (coastal California) complies with lower usage conservation, the companies comply with increased fees.  I already know of people — a very few — disconnecting from heating fuel. 

AnonymousDecember 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pm

I am lucky to live in the NW, we have massive hydro plants which should offer more of a cushion for power rate increases. (that is, if we don’t share)

Octavio RichettaDecember 20th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

There is a fundamental and conceptual flaw in a business model that is conditional on a AAA rating and that is in a business that insures assets and firms that do not have a AAA rating. This is analogue to the voodoo finance of taking subprime and BBB mortgage backed securities and turning them into AAA by the black magic of CDO tranching.   What else can be said? These firms were a fundamental link in the “CDO alchemy chain” and they will also turn into lead (actually they were always lead)

Ryan DarwishDecember 20th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

Bravo Nouriel!  Looking at some of the potential ripple effects of an MBIA type downgrade might include additional institutional losses arising out of derivative positions of impacted positions. Additionally, to compound matters, it is quite concievable of litigation against these insurers further damaging them. It would seem a reasonable case could be made that there is an implied agreement that the insurance being offered is of primary value only as long as the insurer maintains its rating. This could be construed as an implied contractual agreeement for the insurer to maintain prudent financial operating practices; in fact it is incumbent on then insurer to do so.  This appears to be a cascade into financial hell.  Ryan Darwish Author of The Emperor’s Clothes: MegaTrends Affecting Your Financial and Investment Decisions www.investmentmegatrends.com

Ryan DarwishDecember 20th, 2007 at 1:30 pm

As aqn addendum, let’s also remember the impact on raising capital in municipalities. In a recessionary environment with declining property values, tax recipts are likely to decline while the costs of raising capital are likely to increase.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

RealThink  Thanks for recent posting on “possible” peak oil. I’ve looked at data from supporters of peak oil, and they have some good arguments. I have not had a chance to review the counterarguments yet.  But I think the main issue is this … it is NOT clear that Americans can count on a significant reduction in oil prices if we go into a recession. Not this time. With global decoupling still open to debate, the US dollar headed lower, and strong political forces working in the world of energy resources (Putin, Iran, Venezuela) – it’s not clear that the USA has the same control and domination over oil prices any more. Seems to me that $80-$90/BL oil could be a reality even if the US goes into recession, and triple digit oil can’t be ruled out. That will be a tough break on US consumers and American industry.  The energy bill that was just passed by Congress & the White House is a good step. But my take on it is that it’s a day late and a dollar short. No … make that a decade late and $100 billion short. The US needed to implement those reforms a long time ago. We need much bigger steps now.  This country is getting behind the curve in addressing its growing crisis in domestic energy sources. What worries me is that I don’t see any of our presidential candidates debating this topic seriously. They look like they’re too busy shaping their media images and election platforms. Bringing real solutions to the table in the middle of a recession could be a challenge that few (if any) of these candidates can handle.  PeteCA

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 1:53 pm

WHAT A JOKE!! UPS GETS DOWNGRADED BUT MBIA DOESN”T!!!  2:48[UPS] Moody’s downgrades UPS senior unsecured rating to ‘Aa2′

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

No bond issues, no new roads, bridges, schools, Huge mega stadium sports venues……etc……….     No big loss. Maybe we’d spend where spending needs to be done, instead of having the bond market invent schemes with payola and paying a lot of moron fascist construction workers.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

Ohhhh, another joke ratings agency shows their cowardly idocy!  3:04[MBI] Fitch puts MBIA Inc. on ratings watch negative on CDO review

SeanDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

Roubini, Well said.     Indeed. It’s impossible to rationalize MBIA/AMBAC deserving the bullet-proof AAA rating at the same level as GE/IBM or any other super blue chips, especially when MBIA/AMBAC are struggling to raise capital.  

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

MBIA unveiled an investment of up to $1 billion from private-equity firm Warburg Pincus on Dec. 10. See full story.  It’s not clear whether Warburg knew about MBIA’s CDO squared exposures then it signed up for the capital infusion. And if MBIA did tell the firm about the exposures, it’s not clear why the bond insurer didn’t also tell shareholders at the time.  A spokesman for Warburg declined to comment. Willard Hill, a spokesman for MBIA, didn’t immediately return a phone call seeking comment on Thursday afternoon.  If Warburg didn’t know about the exposures, the deal could fall apart, according to Egan-Jones, a ratings firm.  Warburg’s $1 billion investment depends on there being no material adverse effects on MBIA since the deal was signed, Egan-Jones said in a note to clients on Thursday.  ”Recent CDO disclosures are probably a material adverse effect,” the firm added.  

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

S&P ran a stress test to determine the losses bond insurers would take on securities backed by subprime mortgages, including CDOs. Losses were projected at $3.1 billion for MBIA, $1.8 billion for Ambac, and $2.2 billion for Financial Guaranty Insurance Co.   

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

Looks like S&P was off just a little, maybe just $6 Billion or so!!! LOLOL  ”Analyst warns financial giant could face another $8.6 billion in mortgage-related write-downs in the fourth quarter.”

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

Man suspected in gruesome sexual assault released from prison due to a clerical error, Baltimore Sun reports.

AlessndroDecember 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

The fall of ACA Financial has the first collateral damage: Credite Agricole.   Credit Agricole to Take Further Subprime Writedowns (Update3)  By Sebastian Boyd and Gregory Viscusi  Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) — Credit Agricole SA, France’s second- biggest bank by assets, will take an additional 2.5 billion euros ($3.6 billion) in writedowns as the U.S. subprime crash roils debt markets.  Credit Agricole, based in Paris, plans to write down investments in collateralized debt obligations, Credit Agricole to Take Further Subprime Writedowns (Update3)  By Sebastian Boyd and Gregory Viscusi  Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) — Credit Agricole SA, France’s second- biggest bank by assets, will take an additional 2.5 billion euros ($3.6 billion) in writedowns as the U.S. subprime crash roils debt markets.  Credit Agricole, based in Paris, plans to write down investments in collateralized debt obligations, securities created by bundling together bonds, by another 1.3 billion euros before taxes, and take 1.2 billion euros of provisions linked to a ratings downgrade of bond insurer ACA Financial Guaranty Corp. securities created by bundling together bonds, by another 1.3 billion euros before taxes, and take 1.2 billion euros of provisions linked to a ratings downgrade of bond insurer ACA Financial Guaranty Corp.  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azr4V6uKbIT8&refer=home

Dr. DoomDecember 20th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

With this latest melt down of muni insurers, I have 2 questions: 1. Will the municipal bond marked, insured and uninsured crash. 2. Is the entire economic system now collapsing?

LyleDecember 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

 @CanadianKB on 2007-12-19 23:07:59  ”For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”  Well, as long as we’re quoting the Bible – which is appropriate at this season, I suppose – there is also this (Ecclesiastes 10:19)  A feast is made for laughter, and wine makes life merry, but money is the answer for everything.   And this (Proverbs 10:22)  The blessing of the Lord brings wealth, and he adds no trouble to it.   And finally (Proverbs 10:2)  Ill-gotten treasures are of no value, but righteousness delivers from death.  

albatrosDecember 20th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

For a guy like me that have no great knowledge of economics but a great amount of money in cash deposits, (much much more that what is insured by FDIC) if what you seem to suggest comes true, either I take all the cash out and stuck it in some safe place right now or I am in for a huge loss as the banks start to file for bankruptcy – Is that what you are saying or should I take your writings with a pinch of salt ???

Michael the bankerDecember 20th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Unrelated, but I have been posting interesting data from the trenches.  1. Our November residential foreclosures are up 162% YOY (not 62%, which is what I heard on NPR yesterday). One thing to keep in mind, is that the foreclosures numbers for November, are for customers that quit paying the mortgage back in August. Despite the multiple call center warnings that suggest otherwise, We don’t legally move on the property, formally, until we are at least 90 days late, rolling. [on a personal note: I have yet to hear this point being made in MSM. The rogue wave, IMO, is gaining momentum]  To this point, There is a significantly higher spike in Oct and Nov (vs. Aug) in regards to late payments or, perhaps, we could say “foreclosures in que”. If these come to pass, it will be very significant downturn, indeed.  2. Safe deposit box rentals are up, in November, 328%. Prepaid.  3. Auto loans are starting to be worrisome. 30-59 day lates are up 144% YOY.  4. Oddly and sadly: we are still going after (with gusto) new credit card solicitations to new customers, including those with marginal to subprime credit histories. This is maddening.  4. Credit cards: Again, on-time payments are….IMPROVING. Available credit, however, is decreasing smartly. Line to limit (credit balance to credit limit) is up considerably. 38% to 74% Nov 07.   At this pace, the average customer will tap it all (100% LTL) in January.  Totally unsupported, but interesting, was a poll by national talk show that I heard this am driving in to work. One of questions asked to shoppers was “do you intend to pay the credit card bill when it comes due in Jan. 64% said no.

Karl DenningerDecember 20th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

This is not “financial engineering.”  It is fraud.  Let’s stop being nice, and instead start calling things what they are.  Having a business that depends on a rating that is unearned, and refusing to downgrade that business because you know that doing the right thing based on actual risk exposure will result in that business failing is an act of fraud.  I’m tired of the fraud. You should be tired of the fraud. We all should be absolutely sick and tired of this nonsense.  It is time for it to stop. Today. Now. Immediately. And if it won’t, then we need to start raising hell with our representatives and Senators, and insist that THEY force the issue. 

BobDecember 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

Albatros, at least be somewhat safe. Put your money in multiple banks covered by the FDIC. You can’t be srious about all in one bank!?

J.December 20th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

@Guest on 2007-12-20 10:40:20  The Chicago Fed National Activity Index (CFNAI) has been a good indicator and it’s worth noting that its three month moving average has been negative every month since August 2006, i.e 15 consecutive months. OK, while not deeply negative such a string can at least be taken to indicate stagnation. (We used to consider that any reading below -0.70 pointed to recession but this may have changed)  Here’s the whole series from mid-1967 through November 2007: http://www.chicagofed.org/economic_research_and_data/cfnai_data_series.cfm   More on topic, I’d suggest reading through Mason and Rosner’s Where Did the Risk Go? How Misapplied Bond Ratings Cause Mortgage Backed Securities and Collateralized Debt Obligation Market Disruptions which is available online and deals head-on with the role of rating agencies.

AlessandroDecember 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

@albatros  I’m assuming you are new here. Most posters are dead serious.  You may find various investment ideas in previous threads. It’s not easy.  Counter-party risk is definitely something to take into account right now in planning how to best protect one’s savings. I cannot speak for others, my baseline scenario is that several smaller banks and most probably some big bank will fail. But not all of them and not tomorrow.  BTW: our two bankers have been discussing how to best stock canned food, as well.

DwightDecember 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

Thank you Dr. Roubini for all your dedicated effort. You have courageously, consistently, & truthfully presented your views on the economy through this blog for the benefit of all. For that contribution we should all be very grateful! Have a great holiday!

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:01 pm

This note appeared on the NY Fed Bank’s Website under Open Markets Operations – Operating Policy  ”Operating Policy    Statement Regarding System Open Market Account Activity    December 20, 2007    On Thursday, December 27, 2007, the Federal Reserve’s System Open Market Account will redeem the full amount of maturing Treasury bill holdings ($14,015,057,000).  The Federal Reserve Open Market Trading Desk will continue to evaluate the need for the use of other tools, including further Treasury bill redemptions, reverse repurchase agreements and Treasury bill sales.”  Would this add or remove liquidity from the system? What does this imply as a policy statement?  

Jason BDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Albatross -  Immediately start the process of moving your single deposit to multiple deposits in multiple banks that are under the amount and therefore covered by FDIC insurance. It is completely covered up to $100k, and may be completely covered up to $250k. Check http://www2.fdic.gov/edie/  No matter what you believe is coming down the economic pike, that is just good practice.  I wish I had your problem myself! 

SteveDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pm

Well, you know, there are lots of fictions we have to live with to keep government and the economy going. When it comes to systemic risk, honesty may not be the best policy. The systemic effects of a major monoline downgrade or failure would be severe and impossible to contain. A real Creditanstaldt replay. We’d be better off nationalizing these damn things and spinning out the muni-insurance component to the private sector as quickly as possible. Yes, I know, that’s moral hazard and socialized losses everywhere. But let’s face it, there isn’t enough capital in the banking sector to absorb the shock of a major monoline failure or downgrade. This is a bad time to put moral indignation above rational choice.  

CitoriDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:33 pm

WATCH Nouriel Roubini tonight on CNBC at 7:00 PM Eastern.  In case you missed the headline on the blog. Topic “Recession or Not”

Octavio RichettaDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:36 pm

Michael the banker on 2007-12-20 15:53:38  Excellent post, in particular the data on CC balance as % of credit limit, showing that in the absence of MEW they are tapping their credit at light speed.   Second A+ I give out. The other one went to DA Professor:-)

MarkDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:45 pm

@ Steve:  When the emperor is wearing no clothes he is naked, regardless of what he thinks or what his tailor has persuaded him.   Better to start working out how to cope with reality, I think.

J.December 20th, 2007 at 5:46 pm

PeteCA on 2007-12-20 13:40:21  When thinking that price of crudes may not fall substantially with recession, are you taking account of the modern, futures determined, price regime that has much less to do with supply/demand of physical than the on and off exchanges trading in ‘paper barrels’. Put differently, a new price regime came into existance post-1986, and one which – particularly since 2001 – has become highly financialized, less connected to the real, more connected to the actions of very large traders.   Now, the common arguments, while admitting this, tend to both ad hominems (‘are you suggesting conspiracy?’) and true belief in the assumed efficiency of futures trade (an assumption that usually breaks down when it’s pointed out that it is based on theoretic presupposition, i.e. ‘proves’ what is already assumed). Apparently most folks are unaware that only a very small percentage of Nymex CL contracts ever go to delivery or that there is a tremendously large, and obscure, OTC market in crudes. Same time, most have not kept track of the growth in CTAs, commodity and energy specic hedgies, entrance of long only funds and ETFs, or even changes in open interest and volumes.  In 2005 Robert Mabro, now president of the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies, published a fairly short (25pp) yet complete, easily read paper on oil price regimes (“The International Oil Price Regime: Origins, Rationale and Assessment”), available here and, though not specific to speculative activities, is well worth the read: http://www.oxfordenergy.org/jelindex.php  I’ll add a quote from a 12/98 paper by Matt Simmons:  For all those that fervently believe price movement always reflects fundamental changes in physical markets, the discussion in this paper bears careful reading. Our work strongly suggests that large swings in the funds’ net position in oil contracts on the NYMEX have driven virtually every significant movement of crude oil since the MG position was unwound in early 1994. The single exception was a brief period in the fall of 1996 when physical tightness in the market itself set the price of oil. (Is Another “MG” At Work? (Or, What is Driving Down the Price of Oil?))   The point of this note? Simply what most commodity traders already know, that these markets – especially one so stretched as crude – can quickly become very fast and should not be expected to avoid developing financial stress.

Octavio RichettaDecember 20th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

Written by Guest on 2007-12-20 17:01:35  ”Would this add or remove liquidity from the system? What does this imply as a policy statement?”  Just ask yourself one question: Who gets the cash?   When the FED sells securities the fed gets the cash from the banks and the banks get a piece of paper so this removes liquidity.  When the fed redems (i.e., pays off) securities the banks get the cash so this increases liquidity.

artichokeDecember 20th, 2007 at 6:20 pm

Octavio:  You’re right of course.  But here it may mean the opposite. The Fed doesn’t normally “redeem” Treasury securities, because it doesn’t issue them. I think it means the Fed will actually be “demand redemption” on them, from the Treasury.  Which means the Fed would actually be sucking cash out of the system, reducing liquidity.

GirafDecember 20th, 2007 at 6:22 pm

@Octavio Richetta on 2007-12-20 17:52:28 and @Guest  With respect,Octavio, I think you are wrong. The fed does not redeem the bills, the Treasury does. When the Fed does not roll over its TBill holdings, its balance sheet contracts and this removes liquidity from the system.  As I posted earlier this week, the Fed has let its bills mature for the last couple of weeks, allowing it to make the TAFs without impacting overall liquidity.

artichokeDecember 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pm

Interesting, Giraf. So the Fed is transferring liquidity from the Treasury to the Banks, while leaving the total amount of liquidity about constant.

STDecember 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pm

@ Giraf, artichoke and Octavio  This may not even really be about adding or subtacting liquidity (at least in terms of the money supply). I believe it’s the amount of bank reserves, not the Fed’s balance sheet that matters to the money supply. The redemption just represents a transfer between the Treasury and the Fed.  (The Fed did use open market operations to mop up liquidity in the banking system today though: Note the decline of $24 billion at the Slosh report, http://www.gmtfo.com/RepoReader/OMOps.aspx)  Since demand for Treasuries is extremely high right now, I think this is about the Fed reducing its demand for Treasuries and leaving more Treasuries available for the public to purchase.

Openeye SamDecember 20th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

It is time for the investment community worldwide to realize the rating racket: 3 companies whose primary mission is to maximize value for their shareholders (and through stock options to their top managers) call all the shots in the investment world: CDO, SIV, financial guarantors, etc. Take the AAA away and the world collapses. Whatever to solid fundamental analysis performed by the investors? Equity investors are active and activist, make noise, call the shots, make companies tremble. Debt investors surrendered shamefully to the 3 oligopolies which have their own dynamics. Time to wake up before all the shirts are lost. How can the financial world, populated by so many intelligent brains, be so stupid collectively?

Octavio RichettaDecember 20th, 2007 at 7:08 pm

artichoke on 2007-12-20 18:20:37 and Giraf on 2007-12-20 18:22:08  Ups! You are right! in a redemption the FED’s balance sheet contracts (i.e., it no longer holds the securities) so liquidity is drained.  http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1346053220071213    However, the complete picture here is that the FED is doing this “to offset the extra reserves [i.e., extra liquidity] it plans to inject with other central banks to ease global credit conditions.” The objective here is trying to maintain the fed funds target rate.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pm

@ST on 2007-12-20 18:37:06  My understanding is that if the Fed redeems its TBills, the Treasury, unless in a temporary surplus position, has to sell securities to a third party. This happens at the TBill auction, where the Fed steps aside and other buyers take up the slack. When these “other buyers” pay the Treasury for the bills, unless the money is redeposited in the banking system, liquidity has been removed.  As Octavio pointed out in his follow up, the moves are designed to maintain the Fed Funds target rate.

GirafDecember 20th, 2007 at 7:31 pm

@ST on 2007-12-20 18:37:06   Another point. You are correct in the statement that it is bank reserves that have an impact on money supply growth. However, the Fed controls the level of bank reserves through changes in its own balance sheet, so the two are interlinked.  Cheers. 

StormrunnerDecember 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

After 18 mo’s of parsing this blog I see a great deal with regards to the reasons why the system is failing and no practical solutions. It’s quite obvious that short of systemic collapse that abandoning Debt-Based Fractional Reserve Fiat is not going to happen. The only thing on the table is Ron Paul’s parallel money initiative which basically removes the tax on nominal appreciation of monetized metals, I asked the brain trust here yesterday if this is a viable transition solution  Well is it??  Any reply greatly appreciated, its one thing to tear down status quo, quite another to improve or detail an alternate solution.

STDecember 20th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

@ Giraf  You’ve convinced me: So the Fed found out today that the auction had a big effect on the money supply (effective federal funds rate yesterday = 3.99%). Today they mop up liquidity through open market operations.  On the 27th, they presumably plan to allow open market operations to stay more or less at the same level, but reduce the money supply through the back door by reducing holdings of Treasuries. That makes sense.

AnonymousDecember 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

How did we get from the simple I make and you loan to the idea of the Quarts guys? I read on this blog a long time ago that some smart math guys from Korea figured from their physis that the housing bubble would pop on or about June of 2006 and they were mostly on target. Really honest sales people and bankers could have seen this. Look at your own 401k to see if you own “B” shares and what your “out” might cost you. The smoke and mirrors concerning the complexity of this stuff has got to stop. Is my math guy smarter than your math guy? That seems to sum it up to me. The complexity of it all should not be in the hands of those who created the complexity for their own personal gain. It is almost as if: What I knew and didn’t tell you is what is going to kill you…yet you are stupid for not knowing it. From 401k’s to loans on housing it is smoke and mirrors…and that is what it really comes down to..simple loans to simple people who can’t pay back these loans packaged by the Quarks who don’t understand the idea that: I loan to you and you pay me back on terms that are reasonable and that we can all understand. Simple economics. First year stuff. If I can’t pay you back then you don’t make any money. Simple. If I can skim from you on your 401k’s or any other investment then all people are happy as long as the future looks bright. This system needs more simplicity or it will sink on the weight of its own complexity.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 8:43 pm

J.  Thanks for the link. I’ll be glad to read it.  Your point on oil price being strongly influenced by the futures market is well taken. Overall, the futures market for oil is a pretty big one, isn’t it (esp. with multiple intl futures markets covering this commodity)? So, it’s probably impossible for any one entity or player to influence the oil price too much (for too long). But of course, if enough people take speculative long positions then that will certainly drive up the oil price.   Do you feel that the current position of oil is still overbought – even after the news that the US is backing off its aggressive stance on Iran?  PeteCA

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 8:51 pm

Michael the banker: “Credit cards: Again, on-time payments are….IMPROVING. Available credit, however, is decreasing smartly. Line to limit (credit balance to credit limit) is up considerably. 38% to 74% Nov 07. “  Maybe as we expected, right. People are just making minimum payments on their cards to keep their credit good – so they can add more charges before Christmas.  I notice that the latest jobless claims (BLS) this week are UP.   Things look they they are going the way that we have feared … there could be a substantial uptick in credit card deliquencies coming in Q1 of 2008.  Incidentally, I’ve been watching the malls in So Cal this season. People are shopping – but they appear to be buying selectively. Not too many shoppers are carrying large numbers of boxes and gifts.  PeteCA 

MarkDecember 20th, 2007 at 9:31 pm

The big positions in oil markets are dominated by investors in long commodity indices (primarily funds, though some customer hedging too e.g. airlines). The ongoing cost of rolling positions from month to month has significantly offset the “headline” price gains and provided large profits to Wall Street, BP and Shell (other major oil cos. do not trade these markets extensively). The longs “must sell” prompt delivery every month, usually weakening their position – a feature that broke MG in 1994 who were never credibly going to take delivery. You can speculate who the major shorts are – clue: it’s not the oil majors (they are significantly hedged by high producer tax take).   Note that both initial and variation margin can be covered by government securities for cleared markets managed by NYMEX or ICE. Such high quality collateral could be suddenly more urgently required elsewhere.   Aside from the possibility of some other stupid hedge fund emulating Amaranth, I suspect that stress in oil markets will come from stress in Wall Street rather than being transmitted in the opposite direction. The collapse of Drexel caused a few ripples in oil markets back in 1987. Problems for e.g. Citigroup, Goldman, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, and even Bear Stearns or Merrill could cause some quickfire position liquidation, and would be much more serious.

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pm

 I just want to commend Reggie Middleton and his blog (posted above) which gets less attention than it deserves. Denninger is an absolute classic must-read also. We know about the Roubini’s and the Mish’s and the CR’s. But there are other great blogs out there that are just as superb. Keep it up everyone!!

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pm

Are the commentors here just trying to talk down the market ? Do ya’all have short positions or put options expiring soon?

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

It is funny to see Wesbury call out others when they are dead wrong yet, here he was dead wrong about the Fed not lowering rates. I think he was also telling people to load up on Cisco in 2000 cause it was going to $1000! You coulda bought it again in ’04 for aroung $15… This is from August 23, 2007:  ”We are not arguing that the Federal Reserve should never respond to financial crises with rate cuts. If trades are having trouble clearing (think September 11, 2001), or if an overly tight monetary policy itself is the cause of financial problems (think 1929), cutting rates can be the right policy. But neither of these conditions applies today. We continue to expect the Federal Reserve to hold the line against rate cuts and think the economy will once again show surprising resilience. Just like the Energizer Bunny, it will keep on going…and going…and going.” Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist Robert Stein, Senior Economist Trevor Scott, Economic Research Analyst  http://www.firsttrustportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2007/8/23/The_Energizer_Bunny_Economy

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

Guest: “Are the commentors here just trying to talk down the market ? Do ya’all have short positions or put options expiring soon? “  I wish it was that simple. It’s possible that some commentators here could be short, but I don’t think the majority are. It’s pretty difficult to time this market, and it’s dead easy to go broke trying.  I’m pretty sure that the market does NOT listen much to the views expressed on this blog – just follow the stream of indignation and curses that happens here daily as the market makes various moves :-)   Back in the “good old days” I think a lot of us started following Prof. Roubini because we had serious doubts about the nonsense being put across in the main financial blurbs (news). At that time we naively believed the US market was a battle between the “perma-bulls” and a few powerless bears. How foolish we were.  Since the great credit crunch has unfolded, Wall St has been forced to reveal a few of its inside moves. How embarassing for the Big Establishment. Right now we spend a lot of time trying to pick apart these moves – because they reveal so much about what’s really going on. I would say that the prevailing sentiment is that we’re about ready to puke at the degree of greed and corruption that has been exposed in the system.   But, since it’s Christmas, we’ll probably just go have a drink and forget the whole thing.  PeteCA 

GirafDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:35 pm

@PeteCA  Pardon me for butting in but you can find the position data for crude oil futures at the following CFTC site:  http://www.cftc.gov/marketreports/commitmentsoftraders/cot_historical.html  As of last week (this week’s data published tomorrow afternoon)net non hedgers (specs?) were long about 2.8% of the open interest. This compares to a 2007 high of about 8% net long in July and a recent low of about 2% in late August. With the sort of run we’ve had and the apparent froth, I would have expected net longs to have been much, much higher. While there are a large amount of long positions, they are offset by a large amount of shorts. The conclusion that I came to is that IS NOT the specs driving the price.  Hope this helps. 

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

Giraf  Thanks. That actually cheers me up. I used to watch the positions of longs and shorts for the oil market at TOCOM in Tokyo, but I have not checked that data in a while.  What you’re saying makes sense to me. Quite a bit of the speculative froth should have come off the oil futures market – after the heat went out of the US vs. Iran issue. At the same time, I would expect some shorts to enter – based on the logic that a US recession is coming and demand for oil should go down (working off past experience).  So, with things more balanced between longs and shorts, the price of oil might be a good indicator of whether global “decoupling” is really going to occur. If China and India sustain high oil demand, even while the US goes into recession, we should see the price stay at a relatively high level (in US dollars). Or at least not drop too much.  Any thoughts or disagreements?  PeteCA

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

PeteCA,  yeahh i know wat you mean.. prof roubini was just being slammed here just a few short weeks ago when the market rallied.. investor psychology and emotions are that way, but its still rather annoying to read their bitching abt their bad bets…   For me this is a place, where i can learn abt real finance and economics.. (not delta, gamma BS greeks) and get some ground/field knowledge abt the direction of the economy (bearing in mind the possible negative biases here)..   Having said that, I’m still skeptical abt the prof’s view that its a sucker’s rally.. Are soveign funds so irrational to misjudge values of these banks? Arabs and chinese are helping prop up the market.. the world is no longer like 10 years ago.. Besides, there arent that many sellers anymore.. as i commentor mentioned, the investor has been brainwashed to think the market always goes up and these dips are really “corrections”!..   what are your views abt this?    mrskeptical

CitoriDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:50 pm

@Pete  I would say that the prevailing sentiment is that we’re about ready to puke at the degree of greed and corruption that has been exposed in the system.   I could not agree more, Pete. Hope you are having a shot of a good single malt.  Pete, I think high oil prices are here to stay. At some point though, the price of the energy to produce and transport will cause shifts in production closer to the source of consumption. If you add rising labor costs in China to higher fuel costs, then we might see some return of manufacturing.  @mrskeptical Hell-as-ious writes about the puzzling markets on his blog today. Check it out  Sudden Debt.  This, however, does not explain the behavior of traditional investors who still use fundamental value, top down analysis, etc. How come they are not selling? The facts suggest the answer: they are selling. Look at the sectors being hardest hit: banks, builders, retailers, automakers – they are all down very substantially from their highs, exactly following their poor fundamentals. So, the entire market is not on black-box auto-pilot mode.  http://suddendebt.blogspot.com/

GuestDecember 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pm

M may get “transfusion” from Temasek   Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) — Merrill Lynch & Co. may get as much as a $5 billion cash infusion from Singaporean investment fund Temasek Holdings Pte., the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unidentified people familiar with the matter.   State-owned Temasek is in advanced talks with Merrill about an investment, the Journal said. Temasek’s board has given preliminary approval on the deal, although pricing, timing and regulatory issues need to be negotiated, the Journal reported.   http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=az40fV02MDnc&refer=home 

J.December 21st, 2007 at 1:03 am

@Giraf  The CFTC’s non-commercial catagory is primarily composed of hedge funds while there are also some large institutional traders within the commercial, i.e. the ‘specs’ are not perfectly broken out, but sometimes better to pay most attention to the non-comms… Volumes are also important, not over a few weeks but longer term. Here I’d just note that, as reported by Platts, the Futures Industry Association recently pointed out that: ‘Volume growth, especially in energy, drives valuations of futures..’ and that going back through the FIA volume stats this can be seen developing over years. Or/and a look at the 2007 that ICE has had: http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post_id=8436720&Refer=  All in all, no simple formula but as the reality of a globalizing recession sinks in and as financial stress does not disappear, it sure wouldn’t surprise me to see a strong pullback in price of crude within the next 6 mos.  From a more fundamental perspective, this:   Japan crude buying shrinks 2% in 2007, accelerating fall of 2006   Singapore (Platts)–20Dec2007 Japan, world’s second largest crude importer after the US, is set for a larger drop of 2% in crude imports this year compared with 2006, when buying shrank for the first time in four years, albeit by a marginal 0.8% from the year before.  http://www.platts.com/Oil/Resources/ 

Lyle BurkheadDecember 21st, 2007 at 1:08 am

 @Stormrunner  “After 18 mo’s of parsing this blog I see a great deal with regards to the reasons why the system is failing and no practical solutions… The only thing on the table is Ron Paul’s parallel money initiative…”  You mean perusing, not parsing. I’ll pass on your Ron Paul initiative; maybe some of his fans will comment. Meanwhile let me put something on the table.  1. Restore Glass-Steagal and other such reforms that were established in the aftermath of the 1929-32 crash. This is the opposite of what Ron Paul wants to do. He wants banks to be even more unregulated than they are. I think they should be as regulated as they were in the 1950′s.  2. Raise taxes to the level that prevailed in the aftermath of WW2. Set up the tax system in such a way that income is redistibuted from the rich to the working class, so working class people can afford to buy the products they make.  3. Cut back on entitlements. I know this is politically difficult, but it will have to be done one way or another. Better to do it openly than through hyperinflation.  4. Shift from a financial economy to an industrial economy. Adopt a national economic policy, similar to what Japan did in the 1970′s and 80′s. They picked certain strategic industries and set out to be the leader in those industries. I would target nanotechnology, biotechnology, nuclear power (fission and fusion), and solar power. Companies engaged in these industries (Monsanto, for example) should be regulated, just like banks should be regulated. They should be forced to serve the public interest.  5. Spend the money raised in #2 on education. If things keep going on the present course, the country is bankrupt. The only way out is to increase productivity, and the only way to do that is to have a better educated workforce. Companies should be discouraged from dumbing down jobs, and encouraged to structure the workplace in such a way that employees are challenged to keep learning more complex skills. (I don’t know what form this “encouragement” would take. We need a deep cultural change, not bureaucratic directives.)  6. Teach people to be healthy without relying on “health care.”  7. Shift from a war-based economy to a cornucopian economy.  ———————   Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!   

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 1:48 am

@Lyle Burkhead   If you’ve never read it, I’m sure you would enjoy Ricardo Semlers “Maverick: The Success Story Behind the World’s Most Unusual Workplace”

LessorBeeDecember 21st, 2007 at 1:49 am

Oh boy more fund freezes to protect investors and workers I bet : }.  Oh BTW they were also having a run on funds,   {Report: Friends Provident halts property fund redemptions By Steve Goldstein  LONDON (MarketWatch) — U.K. insurer Friends Provident (UK:FP.:  UK:FP. 154.90, 0.00, 0.0%) has froze its 1.2 billion pounds ($2.4 billion) flagship commercial property fund after a rush for the exit by investors over the past three weeks, The Times (of London) reported, citing a spokesman. Friends’ move affects up to 118,000 individual investors in its 24-year-old property fund, which invests in offices and retail developments in areas as diverse as Glasgow, Leadenhall Street in the City of London and Camden Wharf in North London. New Star Asset Management (UK:NSAM: UK:NSAM 198.25, 0.00, 0.0%) separately marked its property fund down by 8.2% last week, the report added. End of Story}  http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/report-friends-provident-halts-property/story.aspx?guid=%7B20CCF7DB%2DEC3E%2D433E%2D8E67%2D1EF012C8190B%7D&dist=hplatest 

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 2:53 am

@albatros  May I quote Bloomberg:  “the last thing they or the U.S. economy needs is a tax increase” said Dana Perino in a statement released by the White House.  The country is building debt upon debt, both private and public but struggling desperately to find someone to pay for it. The one to pay for the debt will of course be the dollar-holder.   This is the next step of course. Printing dollars that will not be purchased overseas and let the dollar sink.  For a guy like me that have no great knowledge of economics but a great amount of money in cash deposits, (much much more that what is insured by FDIC) if what you seem to suggest comes true, either I take all the cash out and stuck it in some safe place right now or I am in for a huge loss as the banks start to file for bankruptcy – Is that what you are saying or should I take your writings with a pinch of salt ??  As a French citizen with a full Euro-based cash position, I am already a bit paranoid vs our banks, in spite of their limited exposure to dangerous assets.   In spite of a lousy state, individual French people are saving like mad thus our bank system is definitely sane… But I moved one third of my position into physical gold and would urge anyone with a cash position to get out of it soon.   US is spending money over the top. What is worse, those bearing the debt have no way to pay back. And those who have the money (the upper class and upper middle class) will make sure taxes are not raised…  Being cash in dollars and in a private US bank is sure a great patriotic gesture. But be sure that you can afford losing a significant portion of it. Especially if you have a family.    

GuessoDecember 21st, 2007 at 3:12 am

Personally I like to read the informed economic view and watch how it corresponds to numbers. I’ve discovered it’s an excellent way to discern who really knows his stuff and NR certainly does.   A casual glance at the markets shows everything to be ok, but a closer glance reveals indices that have lost as much as 50%, and quite a few stocks at multi-year lows.  Even with today’s advanced communications technology, numbers are aware of the news long before they are posted on a website…and average folks have been feeling the pain even longer.  So why’s are major indexes still offering a pretty picture? That’s anyone’s guess. All I know it’s a fake. Focus on the right numbers and you’ll find a rot so deep, you’ll wonder if it’s salvageable within the present structure.   It’s a great environment for day-trading but one must be always ready to jump ship in an instant. When the picture cracks it will happen out of the blue and from a rather unexpected source.

HellasiousDecember 21st, 2007 at 3:36 am

Guesso asked: So why’s are major indexes still offering a pretty picture?  Look no further than the huge increase in indexation and derivativization of the market. Cash stock trading volumes have been flat for many years (look at monthly data for better perspective), whereas futures, options, SPDRs, etc etc have really taken off. All are based on the major indices.

tutterfrutDecember 21st, 2007 at 4:44 am

Liberty Dollar reopens to raise defense funds Submitted by cpowell on Fri, 2007-12-21 05:38. Section: Daily Dispatches  Business Booming After Raid  By Gavin Lesnick Evansville Courier & Press (Evansville, Indiana) Monday, December 17, 2007  http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/dec/17/businessboomingafter-raid/  The Evansville-based headquarters of a company that produces the Liberty Dollar is open again with a new name and a new product.  Liberty Numismatics, formerly Liberty Services, reopened this month to raise money for its legal defense fund and to satisfy customers who continue to want to purchase Liberty Dollars, said company founder Bernard von NotHaus.  The reopening of the headquarters, at 225 N. Stockwell Road, came less than a month after federal agents raided it and took gold, silver, and 60,000 newly minted coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

tutterfrutDecember 21st, 2007 at 5:07 am

ABN Amro sold its important art collection for a symbolic €1 to the ABN Amro Art Collection Foundation, just prior to the bank being taken over, the Telegraaf reports on Friday…  …’This is the biggest art theft of the century,’ one ABN Amro insider told the paper. ‘This art was bought along with the company and with shareholders’ cash.’  http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/12/abn_amro_sells_its_art_for_1.php  Naughty, fraudy bankers…

ES TraderDecember 21st, 2007 at 5:42 am

@Quesso “When the picture cracks, it will happen out of the blue and from a rather unexpected source”   Stay focused, watch it like a hawk (or a dove). Try to ignore all of those manipulated fundamentals, they’re pretty much useless. IMO anyway.  Hellasious is right about the Indexes. That’s what Joe Zombie sees when he gets home from his rat race day…..DOW, S&P, NASD all holding up, not too bad, everything must be O.K. Right? Oh Boy, ‘Dancing with the Stars’ is on tonight. Wow!  Anyway, they can hide this mess from the zombies, but once the ‘picture cracks’, they won’t be able to hide it from “Bid”, and they won’t be able to hide it from “Ask”.  Happy Holidays

MarkDecember 21st, 2007 at 6:02 am

Beware that in futures markets for every long there is a short. Looking at large aggregate positions as with the CFTC data can mask some huge positions (e.g. MG, which at its peak accounted for over 30% of the long OI and ~180 million bbl on NYMEX – back then the detail I present below wasn’t published). If you look at the more detailed data:  http://www.cftc.gov/dea/futures/deanymelf.htm  you will find that e.g. for WTI the following:   :—————————————————————————————————-  : Percent of Open Interest Held by the Indicated Number of the Largest Traders  : By Gross Position By Net Position  : 4 or Less Traders 8 or Less Traders 4 or Less Traders 8 or Less Traders  : Long: Short Long Short: Long Short Long Short  :—————————————————————————————————- All : 27.4 26.0 39.8 35.5 12.2 7.7 18.8 12.5  where the total OI is 1.3bn bbl – some large positions in there, and rather more than a 2.8% imbalance. N.B. that calendar spreading is only identified for “Non Commercial” traders. There is a little more information on principles behind the data here:  http://www.cftc.gov/marketreports/commitmentsoftraders/cot_about.html  Classification of players is somewhat random still – e.g. I doubt whether J Aron & Co. (i.e. much of GS) are classified as a bank – and indeed it is only in relatively recent times that they have switched from being counted as “Non Commercial” to “Commercial”. Some data on supposed banks here:  http://www.cftc.gov/dea/bank/deadec07f.htm  

son of the paulDecember 21st, 2007 at 6:14 am

Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) — Merrill Lynch & Co. rose in German trading after the Wall Street Journal reported that the world’s biggest brokerage firm may receive a cash infusion of as much as $5 billion from Singapore’s state-owned Temasek Holdings Pte.   RECESSION? NO WAY!!

SlumlordDecember 21st, 2007 at 7:08 am

@Bernard  Sorry not to be able to reply to you earlier but have had things going on.  Do I think that there is massive collusion propping up the stock market? No. The Chinese and the Arabs are awash in U.S. cash which is awaiting to be deployed. Stricken banks seem a good enough buy at the moment. In terms of the cash reserves that these countries have, the the capital injections have really been small change. I imaging the Chinese could probably find a spare 10 billion if they looked for some loose change that had fallen into the back of the couch(sofa).  I think the financial markets are being propped up, but not in any concerted effort. I think all of the important people in the know see the danger of the market collapsing and are trying to do their best to stop it from nosediving. If I were a central banker–even with my super conservative tendencies–I would try to keep the market afloat. Remember a lot of those worthless securities are owned by pension funds which were planning to keep little old ladies well housed and cared for. I think it is a combination of mutual interest by the powers that be and stupidity by many perma-bulls that are supporting the market. Stupidity will pay the price.  More worrying once again is this, from Paul Krugman.  http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/search-for-security/  As I see it U.S tresury bonds are the safest–though I don’t think so–on the market; effectively pseudo-gold. The yeilds are dropping because people are rushing to safety. It appears to me that smart money is leaving the market.  Secondly is this;  http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c065bd1a-af51-11dc-880f-0000779fd2ac.html  a run of record-breaking losses and bailouts in banking has hedge funds re-examining how much they can be hurt by a bank collapse.  To me, it would imply that the hedge funds seem to think that at least some banks are at the risk of collapsing. Once again, solvency not liquidity.  As for the ratings of the bond insurers, “the market” should remember that the evaluation of a particular financial entity by a ratings agency is only an opinion. Given Wall St’s past history of probity, honesty and incorruptibility it is an opinion that can be swayed. The consensus opinion of the ratings agencies is at the moment, in my view, at odds with the facts. Investors should rely on their own thinking and not rely on others. The ratings agencies could give MBIA a rating of super duper AAA with gold plating and diamonds and I would still think it a pig. Investors should not moan of loss when Wall St does the thinking for them.  

Magnus PymDecember 21st, 2007 at 8:12 am

the banks are getting bailed out by oil states and the asians. US govt. is smiling on it so no one can call it a govt. bailout. This money is coming in based on the self interest of states that want to keep the US system functioning and thus their own economies from getting blasted. Is this a de facto IMF for “a country that still thinks its rich”?

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:07 am

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Consumer sentiment strengthened in late December, according to a monthly survey released Friday by Reuters and the University of Michigan. The UMich consumer sentiment index rose to 75.5 in late December from 74.5 earlier in the month. Economists were expecting the index to hold steady. The index stood at 76.1 in November.

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:12 am

Well there you have it, sentiment up, spending up, stocks up, Fed to auction money forever. We have eliminated recessions in the US for eternity!! Get long sheeple, get long!!!

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:21 am

Hey, Dow up 400 points today…why stop there, lets go for 500 points to really make people feel rich so they can continue to spend 3X more than they make! Lets have the Dow up to 17,000 by years’ end, that will really make Nouriel et al. look bad!

Dave ChiangDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:24 am

 Nouriel,  MBIA won’t lose its AAA bond status until the firm is well into financial bankruptcy. Remember the Enron fiasco, Citicorp’s Robert Rubin personally phoned the CEO’s of the S&P and Moody’s to pressure the bond rating firms not to downgrade Enron “AA” bonds even when it was clear that the company was in serious financial trouble. The rest is history. While the general public investor is misguided by the AAA ratings given to the insurers, the balance sheets continue to rapidly deteriorate at MBIA in a similar fashion to the former Enron corporation. 

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:27 am

Hmmm…Pimco says US already in Recessin (bond managers, that comment would help bonds) and Abby Joseph Cohen says recession unlikely (stock peddler, that comment should help stocks)

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:34 am

“sentiment up, spending up, stocks up, Fed to auction money forever”  you couldn’t have said it better, stock market rally forever.

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:38 am

wow, $VIX, $VXN, $GOLD all at pivotal point. We might be able to see the outcome today or sometime next week. in the mean time, enjoy the Santa Clause rally!!!! Wow!!!!

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:43 am

Until the overreaching debtors feet are held to the fire with significant foreclosures, credit defaults, repossessions etc. AND until the numbers become significant and pervasive enough, people are going to spend, spend, spend. Americans have not had discipline imposed for so long that they have irrational future expectations. Cultural imperatives are deep from years of brainwashing. All virtue must be shown by spending. Love, Joy, Charity, Compassion etc. demonstrated only by money. Hard to have a recession until that back is broken. But there is always a little more to tap in home equity, a little more in credit cards, a little more from the various “pawn brokers”. American consumer is going to die suddenly in the traces…maybe years from now.

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 9:48 am

Maybe the real and shadow banking group, being the evil geniuses that they are, always knew that their fractional reserves were being compromised by overlending and overly lax standards. These sovereign wealth funds rushing to the rescue may not be ad hoc arrangements, but the design of the money men as the last and ultimate buttress of reserves. Also a convenient way to weave global interests into the national cloth.

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 10:20 am

Signs of Recession in 2007?  I’m going to offer a few thoughts and data today before I travel for the holidays.  Here’s one. Back in Q1 and Q2 of this year some people (esp. here) were already beginning to seriously question whether the USA was headed for a recession. Prof. Roubini deserves a lot of credit for making this argument and holding his ground. So does Mike Shedlock on his blog. They took enormous criticism from the so-called “perma-bulls” who appeared to accept that a downturn was even possible.  At times it very tough to make an independent judgment on where the American economy was headed. I decided to use a simple rule-of-thumb that went like this: If BOTH housing and the auto industry get into serious trouble in the USA then we’re probably headed for a significant downturn. There were three reasons that I could see: 1) Both housing and auto are major industries that are vital to the economy and stimulate a lot of consumer income and spending. A downturn would eventually generate a lot of unemployment from these industries. 2) Both housing & auto have a lot of knock-on industries and manufacturing that also produce strong contributions to the US economy. (3) A downturn in housing and auto would cause a recession in the states of Florida, California, Nevada, Ohio, Texas and Colordao (affected strongly by subprime and foreclosures), and Michigan, Indiana, Ohio (affected by a lot of auto-based industry and suppliers). The US economy would be unlikely to sustain growth with downturns spreading out of these diverse geographic regions.  So the premise was simple: * Watch the ABX indices to see how mortgage-related securities were doing * Watch the stock values of Ford and GM as indicators for the auto industry  This approach gave a pretty clear indication of “coming trouble” by the start of Q3 (2007) in the USA.  PeteCA

curmudgeonly trollDecember 21st, 2007 at 10:42 am

That’s the fundamental problem, professor, the whole business doesn’t make sense except as a ratings arb/scam.  Suppose you have a AAA rating.  A banker comes to you and says, I have these complex bonds, I can sell them today at AAA + 100bp, but why don’t you guarantee them for 50bp and I’ll sell them with AAA ratings, we’ll split the profits.  Why wouldn’t you say, yes, those bonds look tasty, I’ll issue AAA debt and buy them from you at AAA +100bp?  The only way the guarantee transaction makes sense is if you can’t issue AAA debt to buy this stuff.   (more precisely, if the agencies let you guarantee more than twice as much as they would let you issue and keep the AAA rating – even though you’re taking the same default risk when you guarantee it)  Guaranteeing taxable debt is no different from trading credit. There’s no reason you should be able to consistently make a profit, except as a ratings scam.  (The same doesn’t apply to tax-free munis… an investor who can only buy munis tax-free in one municipality might very well pay a premium for someone to guarantee them, effectively buying the benefits of diversification him while owning just the one municipality. There it’s a tax arb instead of a ratings arb) 

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 10:47 am

 Make no mistake: These problems were on purpose. They amount to a vast transfer of wealth as banks repossess everything bought on credit.   

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 10:52 am

WHY THE TITANIC WAS ACTUALLY A SECURITIZATION INSTRUMENT (humor)  I’m going to send a couple of posts to the blog today to summarize all the data I’ve accummulated on CDO’s. Before I send the serious data, though, I want to offer a humorous piece.   Thanks to the people in the financial industry who took time to help me with this data, especially: * Vinod Kathari at his Web site on securitization * The folks at JPM who sent me some top-level charts on CDO’s * The folks at SIFMA – who have provided an excellent Web resource. PIMCO also has some well-written background articles on their Web site.  Now for the humor. I found this piece on Vinod Kathari’s Web site. It’s good to see that – even in the middle of the CDO disaster – people in the financial industry can still take time to laugh …  ———————————————  10 Reasons As To Why The Titanic Was Actually A Securitisation Instrument  1) The downside was not immediately apparent.   2) It went underwater rapidly despite assurances it was unsinkable.   3) Only a few wealthy people got out in time.   4) The structure appeared iron-clad.   5) Nobody really understood the risk.   6) The disaster happened overnight London time.   7) Nobody spent any time monitoring the risk.   8) People spent a lot trying to lift it out of the water.   9) People who actually made money were not in original deal.   10) Despite the disaster, people still went on other ships.   PeteCA

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 11:21 am

From the above article link:  ”On June 17, 1999, he took his claim public, this time before Congress: “Bubbles generally are perceptible only after the fact. To spot a bubble in advance requires a judgment that hundreds of thousands of informed investors have it all wrong. Betting against markets is usually precarious at best.”" 

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 11:25 am

http://www.safehaven.com/article-9079.htm  To summarize: The media conglomerates constantly fill our brains with mush to distract us from reality, while politicians pass legislation to take away our rights, spend like drunken sailors, devalue our currency, outsource our jobs, increase our debt, take away our sovereignty (e.g. North American Union), ignore our immigration concerns, create booms, bubbles and busts, etc and the masses could care less, because American Idol is on tonight.  I’m sure you know I’m being facetious with the above statement, but also hope I successfully made my point — the majority are oblivious, ignorant and happy and the powers that be like it that way…  As I stated in a previous post (3rd World America): American society has made it an accepted norm to be caught up in trivial things (fashion, keeping up with the Jones’, reality TV, the latest unsolved murder mystery, sports, shopping, Hollywood, petty lawsuits, material things, etc), and the truly important things in life (family, values, education, hard work, social courtesies, respect, religion, caring for others, etc) have fallen by the wayside. Each and every day our brains are filled with mush and we become far too ignorant to realize that the things that once made us a great nation are slipping away.  Well, our once great nation is now collapsing before our eyes. Foreigners own HUGE PORTIONS of US Domestic Industries, Banks are failing (soon we’ll have banking runs), millions of families are going to lose their homes, inflation is raging, the dollar is tanking, Government spending is out of control, outsourcing continues, the North American Union plan continues while immigration issues are ignored, etc, yet we fail to open our eyes to see what is happening. It’s quite appalling that we’ve sunken this far and unless the masses pull their heads out of the sand quickly, we are doomed.  

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 11:28 am

Sources of Data on CDO’s  I’m going to post two or three articles on this blog (following) that give a good top-level view of CDO’s. This includes how much money has been funded into these investment vehicles over the past few yearts and what the breakdown is. But first, here are the sources for this information:  * Vinod Kothari has a Web site devoted to securitization  http://www.vinodkothari.com/  * SIFMA Web Site on Secured Finance  http://www.sifma.net/  There is a lot of good data here, but it requires a little patience  and searching to find it!  * JP Morgan  Say no more. Not only do they run a lot of the global derivatives trades,  but they’re also very helpful folks!! :-)   * PIMCO  Has some excellent articles on securitization, alternative fuels etc.  Here’s a link to a well-written introduction to Asset-Backed Securities  http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Bond+Basics/2006/ABS_Basics.htm  and here’s a link to basics of mortgage-backed securities  http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Bond+Basics/2007/Mortgage+Basics.htm  Thanks folks !!!  PeteCA

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 12:05 pm

Issuance Data For Asset-Backed Securities and CDO’s  This first posting shows the growth of the total asset-backed securities (ABS) market, and also the CDO market (a subset of the ABS), over the past few years. The explosion in these sophisticated finance products is obvious from the data. For a brief (but good) introduction to what these securities really are, see my previous posting with the articles written by PIMCO.   O.K., here we go. These are total securities (or CDO’s) with values measured in billions of US dollars. In later postings I provide some information on how these markets break down, in terms of how much of the funds is in residential mortgages, credit cards etc.  By the way, it was not totally easy to come by some reliable figures for these numbers. It took some digging. I don’t think that people are hiding anything – it’s just that most people don’t look at the securities from a top-level perspective (i.e. they are too entrenched in their own small investment world).  —————————————————————————— Total Asset-Backed Securities Issued (Billions of Dollars, Each Year)  1994 $78 billion 1995 $113 billion 1996 $165 billion 1997 $192 billion 1998 $224 billion 1999 $240 billion 2000 $272 billion 2001 $330 billion 2002 $402 billion 2003 $500 billion 2004 $704 billion 2005 $870 billion 2006 $886 billion 2007 * $575 billion  The figure for 2007 is a projected figure, since Q4 data are not released yet. It should be pretty close. ———————————————————————————– Total CDO’s Issued (Billions of Dollars, Each Year)  Part of the Asset-Backed Securities Market was the “notorious” world of CDO’s. These securities provided a great way for the investment banks to package products (esp. risky mortgages), but without much clarity on the real risks of the investments.  These issuance figures are just for 2005 through 2007. They are broken down by quarters.  2005 Q1 $49.6 billion 2005 Q2 $71.4 billion 2005 Q3 $52 billion 2005 Q4 $98.7 billion TOTAL 2005 $271.8 billion  2006 Q1 $108 billion 2006 Q2 $125.1 billion 2006 Q3 $138.7 billion 2006 Q4 $177.4 billion TOTAL 2006 $549.3 billion  2007 Q1 $173.7 billion 2007 Q2 $175.6 billion 2007 Q3 $63.0 billion 2007 Q4 Not Available (but small) TOTAL 2007 Probably about $420 billion  The figure for Q4 2007 is not available yet, but is expected to be very small. Issuance of CDO’s declined rapidly as the Credit Crisis developed in mid-2007.  If you add up the CDO’s over 2005-2007 you get a total figure of about $1241 billion. ———————————————————————————– PeteCA

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pm

Digging Into the CDO Data  Let’s look a little closer at the CDO data now. Not all the CDO products are tied to risky sub-prime mortgages.  For the years 2005-2007 the two main components of the CDO’s were “Structured Finance” and “High-Yield Loans”. These typically accounted for about 90% of all the CDO’s that were generated. The rest of the CDO’s fell into categories such as investment grade bonds, high-yield bonds, and “other swaps”. —————————————————————- Here are the figures again for 2005-2007 and how these broke down:  2005 Total CDO’s issued = $271.8 billion with Structured Finance = $176.6 billion  High-Yield Loans = $71.2 billion  2006 Total CDO’s issued = $549.3 billion with Structured Finance = $312.6 billion  High-Yield Loans = $181.0 billion  2007 Total CDO’s issued = $420 billion (this is an estimate) with Structured Finance = $218 billion  High-Yield Loans = $62.7 billion —————————————————————-  Figures for 2007 have been estimated through to the end of the year, but issuance in Q4 was very small. So the estimate should be pretty close.  Now … here’s the point. The category titled “Structured Finance” contains the products based on residential mortgages (RMBS). And sources inside the industry tell me that the majority of these RMBS products during these years were likely to be based on sub-prime mortgages. Just something to think about! This gives you a quick-and-dirty estimate of the amount of losses at risk from residential markets in the USA – for CDO products.   Unfortunately, I don’t have the data earlier than 2005. But you could probably estimate some figures off the total ABS market data that I showed earlier (i.e. just figure out what percentage of the ABS were Structured Finance CDO products during 2005-2007, then back-calculate earlier figures if you need them). If you do this kind of estimate, then at some earlier date your CDO estimates will be wrong because the banks had not yet started really running these products – but I don’t know where that cutoff occurs.  PeteCA

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 12:51 pm

Looking At The ABS World  Let’s look now at the world of Asset-Backed Securities. The question we’re asking is how much of these products is tied to residential mortages, how much is tied to credit cards, auto loans etc. And the reason we’re asking this is because we’d like to see how bad the recession in 2008-2009 could be. In other words, if you believe that this will be a “mild” recession then you might assume that only the losses tied to residential mortgages will be at stake. That’s clearly what our friends at the Fed and the Treasury are hoping right now :-)   However, if you believe this US recession will be a severe one, then the US consumer could take a major nosedive (in terms of unsustainable debt). In that case debts tied to auto loans, credit cards, student loans etc. might also not be paid back on time. We would then have soaring deliquencies on a wide variety of consumer debt. And Ben Bernanke would probably be stocking up on extra-strength Tylenol. :-)   ————————————————————————- So here goes … let’s look at the ABS market for two recent years. Broken down by types of debt.  2005 $65.9 billion Credit Cards $102.6 billion Auto Loans $558.5 billion Home Equity $63.9 billion Student Loans $35 billion Global RMBS $48.1 billion Other types of debt TOTAL: $874.1 billion   2006 $65.7 billion Credit Cards $83.9 billion Auto Loans $555 billion Home Equity $65.4 billion Student Loans $69.1 billion Global RMBS $48.4 billion Other types of debt TOTAL: $887.6 billion ————————————————————————-  It’s clear from this data that debts tied to house values in the US make  up the majority of the total ABS structure. But credit cards and auto loans make up another $150-170 billion – an amount not to be sneezed at. Delinquencies in consumer debts would be a further significant headache for the US financial  structure at this point.  By the way, the 2007 data shows an increase in credit card debt. The first three quarters already showed that this component added up to $77.9 billion. So the total for 2007 could be significantly higher than earlier years. This is a clear sign that Americans were shifting their debts onto credit cards, after lines of home equity loans disappeared. Not a healthy sign, really.  Astute observers will notice that the total ABS figures here are not exactly the same as on my earlier post of tabulated data. That’s typical of the data sources … there are a few minor discrepancies that are not completely ironed out (and I don’t have time to do it). But the figures are very close, and hopefully should be helpful.  PeteCA

London BankerDecember 21st, 2007 at 1:00 pm

@ Nouriel and all the blog buddies here  I’m about to log off for the holidays – mostly. ;-) Thanks all for making a place for me here among you as we document in real time the inflection point of economic history that will obsess generations of bankers, economists and regulators as yet unborn. These are interesting times, but not unique.   As a holiday gift, click through to this cartoon from the London Spectator, 1908. It says it all. Happy holidays!  The Present Condition

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 1:27 pm

NR, you got it wrong. No recession!!! Look for long term yield to start climbing to norm again. No recession!!!

GuestDecember 21st, 2007 at 1:31 pm

Forget Pimco, he is wrong. Look at market, we have no recession santa clause rally. look at long term yield, it is realizing it got it wrong, now it has to climb up to norm again. As for NR, he is always wrong.

J.December 21st, 2007 at 2:50 pm

Mark on 2007-12-21 06:02:27,  Thank you for adding some details — way too often people look only at the aggregates and erroneously confuse the overall with internals. I try looking at both along with real econ fundamentals. Assuming you may trade commodities, two questions:  - Have you noticed the role of, not ‘gut feelings’ but development of a synthesizing intuition? - Somewhat related to the first, cross-asset class trading which, like so many other things these days, it seems nobody knowns size only that techniques have improved and it’s been increasing. No doubt there have been some recent correlation studies but I’ve not seen them…?  Any case,  have a good holidays

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 2:59 pm

“Well, our once great nation is now collapsing before our eyes. Foreigners own HUGE PORTIONS of US Domestic Industries, Banks are failing (soon we’ll have banking runs), millions of families are going to lose their homes, inflation is raging, the dollar is tanking, Government spending is out of control, outsourcing continues, the North American Union plan continues while immigration issues are ignored, etc, yet we fail to open our eyes to see what is happening. It’s quite appalling that we’ve sunken this far and unless the masses pull their heads out of the sand quickly, we are doomed.”  This could have been written anytime in the last 45 years. Even the outsider hippies grew up and are now rich insiders. I’m not sure America was ever great except in small pockets, nor that today’s problems haven’t always been around. Nothing new under the sun. 

AnonymousDecember 21st, 2007 at 3:34 pm

@ Magnus Pym on 2007-12-21 08:12:10,  Well, yes, but as a form of unequal exchange, it is not sustainable…or sustainable only at ever greater cost to the global real economy, i.e. theoretically sustainable. Try: http://michael-hudson.com/

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