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Is China Subsidizing its Exports or Subsidizing US Imports?

Is China subsidizing its exports or subsidizing US imports? In his written remarks – but not in his actual speech in Beijing – Bernanke urged China to stop subsidizing its exports via a weak RMB (see also Brad Setser’s comments on Bernanke’s speech). He could have as well said that China is subsidizing US imports of Chinese goods, thus keeping Wal-Mart prices and US inflation lower than otherwise. Of course, from an economic point of view subsidizing exports is equivalent to subsidizing imports. But  – from a political economy of protectionism perspective - speaking of export subsidies is putting the blame on “unfair” Chinese policies rather than recognizing, as the term “import subsidy” would have conveyed, that this Chinese currency policy is highly beneficial to US consumers and that it is keeping US inflation lower than otherwise.

Also speaking of “export subsidies” in the context of currency policy is loaded and dangerous: export subsidies are illegal within the WTO rules. And arguing that a weak currency is effectively an export “subsidy” could even give legal cover to those in the US who may pursue protectionist legal action against China because of its alleged export “subsidies”. This is not an idle threat: when I was at the White House’s CEA in the late 1990s we had to fight non-stop bone-headed protectionist proposals by the Dept. of Commerce that was proposing to change US “dumping” rules to include low import prices due to the weakening currency values of some of our trading partners (for example the Asian currencies in crisis).

Arguing that a weak RMB is formally an ”export” subsidy is – at least politically – as loaded and dangerous an argument as arguing that a weak currency implies dumping. Bernanke’s use of the term “subsidy” in his written speech and of the less inflammatory term “distortion” in his verbal remarks only partially fudged the fact that speaking of “subsidies” in the context of exchange rate policies is a dangerous and risky idea: if countries were to slap tariffs against imports any time a foreign currency sharply weakens based on the argument that this is a “subsidy” and unfair trade pratice we would have trade wars galore all the time.

 

I do happen to believe, like many, that China’s currency is way undervalued and that it would be in China’s domestic national interest to let the RMB appreciate at a much faster rate than it has so far. I have written a recent paper on this that I will soon post on RGE.  But when Bernanke and Paulson and other US officials hector China on the need to have the RMB appreciate more, they should also speak and remind themselves of the many ways in which this Chinese subsidy and the associated accumulation of foreign exchange reserves has benefitted the US: cheap and high quality consumer goods, low US inflation, lower US interest rates, cheap financing of the US budget deficits and of the US foreign wars, cheap financing of the US current account deficit, lower long rate and mortgage rates that supported for a long time the US housing market and the US housing bubble that is now going bust.

Given the negative savings of the US government, the negative savings of the US household sector, the low national savings rate well below its investment rate leading to massive current account deficits we have been lucky that, so far, China has accepted this regime of “vendor financing”: providing us the cheap goods and also providing us with the cheap financing to pay for these goods with IOUs. 

What would happen to the US dollar and to US interest rates if China were to stop intervening and let its currency suddenly float? Bernanke and Paulson may want to consider those consequences when they talk of the Chinese currency policy being an “export subsidy”…Adjusting unsustainable global imbalances require China letting its currency appreciate much more and making reforms that would lead to lower savings and more consumption. But to avoid a disorderly rebalancing they also require US policies aimed at increasing US public and private savings. Paulson and Bernanke speak a lot about the former but blissfully forget to talk - and do something – about the latter.

 

62 Responses to “Is China Subsidizing its Exports or Subsidizing US Imports?”

LeeDecember 16th, 2006 at 3:05 pm

I felt a little uncomfortable following the Chairman’s trip to China with the high profiled “Paulson” entourage. Maybe this discomfort is misplaced, but doesn’t it make one wonder whether the Federal Reserve Board’s independence is being effectively preserved?

MarcoDecember 16th, 2006 at 3:20 pm

La Cina sta fornendo agli USA la corda per impiccarsi  Questo mi sembra l’uso militare della politica economica da parte dei cinesi verso gli USA  Mi sembra che i cinesi stiano perseguendo una politica di molto lungo termine che ha per scopo di scalzare gli USA dalla loro leadership globale  Questo è il quadro entro cui dovrebbe essere letta la loro politica economica 

Peter J BoltonDecember 16th, 2006 at 3:29 pm

This US Fed / Treasury visit to China is typical of US naivity and suggests again, that American leadership believe that the rest of the World is as stupid as they are; which they are not (well some maybe), especially not China. China as I have written previously is a dynamic emergent economy of ~1.3 billion peoples and is in a state of the most rapid and accelerating socio-economic change.  The US, as the rest of the World knows (excepting the Americans) is a spent force driving itself off the end of the Bell Curve and into a state of rest or static decline.   The US needs comprehensive reorganization and restructuring and come to the realization that those of Leadership utilizing “utopian ideology” to plot the future in lieu of intellect are nothing more than raving mad fanatics and zealots defaulting to genocide and murder in order to enforce their lack of intelligence.  Moral Hazard.  Indeed the USA will arise again and Yes, a better power as its people throw off the ignorance of its ruling elite and see that the Policies du jour are nought but applied primitive superstition.  At the negotiating table, China is correct and will extract both its pound of flesh and pint of blood, but will never put at risk, its own delicate socio-economic balances, in rapid growth, to maintain the US status quo.  If there was ever a sign that the US is in its death throes, in terms of the socio-economic conditions, it is this visit by the USA (Leadership) to China. The World laughs and is aghast at the deplorable state of US elitist Leadership. However, fortunately, the state of ethics, intellect, integrity, morality and intelligence of the American peoples, is not correctly typified by its leadership, which is more representative of a jihadist religious right – a force, which it pits itself against in other quarters of the Globe – in acts of primitive brutality and muscular aggression. Are we that ignorant we must ask? The answer is, indeed not; but Leadership remains here for that is from where its politicians emerge.  The US system is broken and it need fixing; indeed it needs replacement but not reform. I add, that America has many fine people of courage, integrity and intellect but the problem remains that none are in Leadership or in the position where they can be heard or taken seriously.   That is to say, for sake of clarification,the current US imposed socio-economic system sucks and its ‘swan song’ is being sung by the Fatt Lady.  Moral Hazard.

JessDecember 16th, 2006 at 3:39 pm

Bernanke used the fig leaf of traveling on a separate airplane from the Paulson posse to signal his independence…but then he used terminology – export subsidies – that is much more loaded than anything ever uttered by Treasury, USTR or Commerce…so much for independence and for keeping at bay protectionist forces that are rearing their ugly heads in the US…  

KerubDecember 16th, 2006 at 3:54 pm

I think Marco is right (may be he can forgive me if I translate from Italian).  I also think that currency is, for China (but also for US and EU), a weapon.  You know that in these unrestricted warfare times everything can be a weapon and that battles and wars can be very long (Infinite Wars, Enduring Freedoms, millenium empires and long lasting things like those).  

GuestDecember 16th, 2006 at 5:42 pm

One has to take your hypothesis that ” this Chinese currency policy is highly beneficial to US consumers and that it is keeping US inflation lower than otherwise.” as true, per se. This is really the point of basic disagreement between yourself and those that would limit Chinese imports. Many US citizens, rightly, equate the low prices with the loss in income to American workers as a result of the labor arbitrage.   The US is facing a significant slowdown in economic activity that will expose the depth of the job and income loss in America that is attributable to Chinese subsidization of the US consumer. That is really what is reversing inflation that was revving up as a result of Greenspans attempt to fight import caused deflation. Whatever subsidy semantic we choose to call it, it is massive anti-competitive foreign government intervention.   Bernanke spoke straight with the Chinese and their multi-national corporate handlers. The US is sagging under the weight of the macro-economic distortions caused by the Chinese opportunistic trade policies. Bernanke is under the gun to monetize the asset bubble (inflation) or to embrace a US recession as the cure. The world will not escape the consequences. For Bernanke to talk turkey with the Chinese seems rational to me and gutsy too.   If you are correct about the looming US recession, the Chinese will not escape. Their response will be to try to increase exports and really ignite the “protectionist” forces that will force a violent rebalancing, made possible by the Chinese stalling. The time is now for Asia to adhere to the rules of trade.

GuestDecember 16th, 2006 at 7:21 pm

Not so fast folks.   Lets remember that the United States has one of the most flexible and adaptable economies in the world. When one part of the economy slacks off, another part is ready to take up the slack.   For instance, residential construction is falling off a cliff – no doubt – but at the same time there is a substantial backlog of deferred public works projects that will come on line as soon as the availability and cost of labor and material returns to reasonable levels.   Also bear in mind that while MEW is less today than last year, it is still high from historical levels – about the same as in 2004. We are probably fortunate that high oil and gas prices muted the effects of the extraordinarily high levels of equity withdrawl. How will the sudden drop in interest rates and the dollar in November play out? Some favorable exports and domestic substitution for imports should materialize. We are seeing already the results of the interest rate drop in the number of mortgage applications for purchasing and refinancing.   Yes a number of subprime mortgages will end in default. However a number of mortgages will also be refinanced or owners will work out – or at least defer – the consequences of subprimes through second jobs, shift to credit card debt, etc.   Regarding housing prices, while they are falling from the bubble levels of last year, they also are still at historical highs. Not everyone who could refinance did so during the last couple of years. I suspect that, even with falling housing prices, a significant number of homeowners are still in a position where they can tap the ATM.   How much are consumers simply shifting from MEW to SEW (Stock equity withdrawl)? Corporations are repurchasing shares in lieu of dividends (or investment) and stockholders are selling off portions of their holdings to finance their consumption habits. (I can personally testify to this)  Will we have a recession? I don’t have a clue and I do not think anyone else does either. Economic circumstances never repeat and they do not even rhyme very well for that matter. However, I am beginning to lean towards the soft landing side as more economic events unfold.  We humans too easily filter rational data to justify our positions – particularly when there is a strong emotional attachment. I feel I have seen this from a number of economic bloggers recently – while the markets incidentally appear to be saying something else.   Does our “socio-economic system suck”? Not hardly!

GuestDecember 16th, 2006 at 8:03 pm

I live in Hong Kong and people here followed Bernanke’s visit with interest. His “70 previous trips” to China as an investment banker got predictably good press. The way it was viewed here (and you can say I’m playing devil’s advocate) was that he acted like a “tough old China hand” and lay all his cards on the table. American fear is that a falling dollar, coupled with an almost certain U.S. housing slump ( August 2006 housing loan defaults were up 60% in California over last year) will take us into a full recession. The global economy in turn is not prepared for the proverbial “hard landing” and China and India – not to mention Euope – will share the consequences.

JuanDecember 16th, 2006 at 9:36 pm

Hi Guest,  ’Stock equity withdrawal’ can’t compensate for Mortgage Equity Withdrawal when there’s no Stock Equity to withdraw. That is, we still have to take ownership concentration into account. Now it’s true that over 50% of U.S. households own stock but “What is less often advertised is that as of 2001 the bottom 90 percent of households own only 23 percent of all stock and just 12 percent of all directly held stock, which confers direct control (voting) rights on stockholders (Wolff 2004, Table 13a; Kennickell 2003, Table 10).” http://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/irra/proceedings2006/buchele.html  Hmm, how about wages taking up the slack? No, guess not as even in nominal terms median household income, excluding capital gains, was lower in 2005 than in 1999 and, with the slowing upon us, it’s not likely that this will reverse. Consider also that inflation adjusted hourly wages remain well below their 1973 peak and labor’s bargaining power is, being kind, very weak.  Would also add that stock market indices are not indicative of real economy conditions.    

AnonymousDecember 16th, 2006 at 9:56 pm

Nouriel-  You are indeed very clever by you interesting use of tautology. The larger and more material question is why does China not permit many categories of products manufactured in the US to be imported China without material constraints. A multitude of categories ranging from automobiles to electronics are restricted. I am in no way suggesting we restrict trade with this question. I support the right of Americans to buy products from where they wish. I want to make it clear that it is American consumers who have created this trade pattern NOT Bush. Your rhetoric obfuscates that the problem we are dealing with is one that had its origin decades ago.   Second, you are suggesting in your rhetorical fashion that Paulson supports trade restrictions. He does not. His desire to let currency float is not anything but a free trade stance.   Third, your suggestion of increasing US tax rates is utter nonsense. The budget deficit will likely be closed by November 2008 at the current rates. The larger CA deficit has little to do with the budget defcicit.   Forth, you need to become more acquainted with the role of growth in managing a national economy. Your logic is static and reads like one who has never studied dynamic models.   finally, I suggest you get off your high horse and come to realize to date you have never hit a forecast. You may still but it is only by the holding the same forecast over decades.   

GuestDecember 16th, 2006 at 10:21 pm

Suppose you had $100 and a group of 10 people, and suppose you gave one person in the group $99 and let the other nine people share the remaining dollar. That is roughly how the wealth of the world is distributed, according to a recent study by the World Institute for Development Economics Research, an organization attached to the United Nations University, based in Helsinki, Finland. The lowest-income families, comprising the bottom 10% of all families, owns less than 2% of all the private assets in the economy, while the highest-income families, or the top 10% of all the families, own over 40%. Chinese leaders have warned against extremes of poverty and wealth, rising unemployment and intensifying social conflict. “Common prosperity is not an unreachable goal, but the basic principle and pursuit of socialism,” said President Hu”     When the world’s debt and commodities are denominated in dollars that only the US can print, the US essentially owns all the financial wealth of the world.     

AnonymousDecember 16th, 2006 at 10:28 pm

“When the world’s debt and commodities are denominated in dollars that only the US can print, the US essentially owns all the financial wealth of the world.”  What? You must be kidding? I would be inclined to take such nonsense more seriously if all Americans were millionaires and we had no deficit. Grow up my friend.

Brian ShriverDecember 16th, 2006 at 10:52 pm

The US is getting badly beat in a game it doesn’t want to play.  Nouriel, I disagree with your and Brad’s wishful thinking that it is in China’s best interest to let the RMB appreciate. Maintaining an undervalued currency is a wonderful developmental strategy and China knows it. While I acknowledge that this exposes their industry to global slowdown, exposes their central bank to forex losses, and eventually chokes their economy with excess money supply; to date these costs are far less than the buckets of money they are making every year, and the fantastic growth rate they are able to sustain. Domestic-oriented economies never grew so fast for so long, and never managed to build up $1 trillion in savings vis-a-vis the rest of the world so quickly. Most likely China will continue to delay, with maybe a few token revaluations when needed to relieve political pressure.  Without a very strong and credible threat from the US, China will not change their policy. Moreover, the tactic is clearly spreading, with several other countries now pursuing similar reserve buildup strategies. The bad old days of 30s-style beggar-thy-neighbor forex strategies are back with a vengeance, whether the US likes it or not, for the simple reason that they work. While clearly everyone would be better off if no one partook of such strategies, in the meantime, the “cheaters” win.  I don’t blame China (or Japan or others) for pursuing the strategy. But I do think that the US has a right and an obligation to its citizens to prevent the rapid erosion of wealth and production base which is occurring. Your point that consumers benefit is strictly true but a pyrrhic victory when they lose the ability to earn good salaries and are up to their eyeballs in “cheap” debt.   I don’t know what is the best policy response – probably not tariffs – but something must be done. The current system reminds me of the last days of the Bretton Woods regime – sooner or later the US will have to cry “uncle”. We could live through a major contraction in international trade, etc, if the system isn’t fixed.

G. AntonDecember 17th, 2006 at 4:47 am

BEIJING, CHINA — Sources with a U.S. Delegation in Beijing have told The Hal Turner Show the Chinese government has informed visiting Bush Administration officials they intend to dump One TRILLION U.S. Dollars from China’s Currency Reserves and convert those funds into Euros, gold and silver!  NEW YORK (Reuters) – The dollar hit new 2-1/2 month lows against the euro and an 18-month low against sterling on Friday after a top official said China’s plans for diversifying its $1 trillion reserves included looking at currencies. 

AnonymousDecember 17th, 2006 at 5:13 am

So the protectionists in the newly entering Democratic Congress (Schumer et al) end up imposing tariffs on China. As a result, China buys less treasuries (not to mention selling off ones they already own).  How is this not a lose:lose scenario for the US economy? Prices will go up and the dollar will go down.

DimitrisDecember 17th, 2006 at 8:12 am

Slow down everyone. Let’s talk basics first. The purpose of the U.S. visit to China was to persuade the Chinese to keep buying our bonds and to work out the details of a slowing U.S. economy.

MichaelDecember 17th, 2006 at 8:44 am

I do think the purpose of the U.S. visit to China was to tell China USA is able (?) to do something to rescue a slowing U.S. economy.  

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 8:47 am

I’d like to comment on two things – first the idea that it is good for China to let their currency appreciate and then secondly a thought on the benefits to the American economy of a low Chinese currency.  I agree with professor Roubini that a higher valued RMB would benefit China in the long-run. It would reduce the Chinese economy’s reliance on exports as their sole driver of growth and allow them to focus more attention on creating domestic demand for products. Whether this needs to happen now or after a few more years of world sponsored growth, I am not sure is clear – but there are definitely long term benefits to letting the currency appreciate.  As for low priced Chinese goods helping the US economy. It seems to me that this is not the first time, the US is trying to create protectionist policies that hinder long term growth. As with Mexican immigrants – the US is putting up walls that take away the benefits of a reduced pressure on import (labor or other imports) prices in favor of protecting jobs that probably should be sent abroad anyway. It would seem to me that by allowing an in flow of cheap imports, this would allow the Fed to keep interest rates low which would benefit the US worker both in the short and long run. 

Jon GDecember 17th, 2006 at 8:49 am

I’d like to comment on two things – first the idea that it is good for China to let their currency appreciate and then secondly a thought on the benefits to the American economy of a low Chinese currency.  I agree with professor Roubini that a higher valued RMB would benefit China in the long-run. It would reduce the Chinese economy’s reliance on exports as their sole driver of growth and allow them to focus more attention on creating domestic demand for products. Whether this needs to happen now or after a few more years of world sponsored growth, I am not sure is clear – but there are definitely long term benefits to letting the currency appreciate.  As for low priced Chinese goods helping the US economy. It seems to me that this is not the first time, the US is trying to create protectionist policies that hinder long term growth. As with Mexican immigrants – the US is putting up walls that take away the benefits of a reduced pressure on import (labor or other imports) prices in favor of protecting jobs that probably should be sent abroad anyway. It would seem to me that by allowing an in flow of cheap imports, this would allow the Fed to keep interest rates low which would benefit the US worker both in the short and long run. 

G. AntonDecember 17th, 2006 at 11:00 am

The ship is sinking fast, and you all are talking about rearranging the deck chairs.  Come on, George–you got us into this mess–now get us out!!!

Ben BlockDecember 17th, 2006 at 11:37 am

Jon G, the latter part of your argument seems to be lifted straght from Tom Freidman’s “The World is Flat”. I don’t dispute these notions in the long-term, and I agree that, to some extent, protectionist measures are foolish. On the other hand, the problem in the short-term is that US labor institutions are not ready for jobs moving offshore. For this to happen, there needs to be a significant change in our unemployment policy – the hundreds of thousands in Detroit need to be retrained. Otherwise, the government will be burdened with transfer payments (in the form of welfare and unemployment benefits) at a time when it can ill-afford to extend its deficit. Tom Friedman writes as if this reform could happen in a day. Given the inertia of the rubes in Washington, I think this is a poor assumption.  Also, I think much of this boils down to who we enter into free trade with. Clearly, China is not a free market economy in terms of its labor and monetary policies. Also, do we ignore externalities such as poor environmental track record (not that the US is doing great in this regard… see above mention of “rubes in g’ment”) in making these decisions. In this sense, is the world really flat?

Jon GDecember 17th, 2006 at 11:45 am

Ben,  My argument is not that we should always remove protectionist measures (at least not here) – my argument is more that if we face inflationary pressures – rather than increasing interest rates which will cause job reductions across the board. Why not let down the protectionist walls in a degree equivalent to the tightening of the interest rate?   By increasing the interest rate, we reduce aggregrate demand for goods. Thereby definitely reducing the number of jobs – which we justify by less inflationary pressures. By removing some of the protectionist measures to reduce the inflation rate instead – we keep aggregrate demand high, but we push the supply curve out – so that we are still able to reduce inflation, but not through a reduction in demand. This would seem to allow us to have our cake and eat it to.

Jon GDecember 17th, 2006 at 11:49 am

G. Anton,  If you are appealing to George for help – I think that the ship is already under water and the deck chairs are floating.   (See past 6 years of political / economic policy for reference)

Brady SDecember 17th, 2006 at 12:30 pm

Jon G – I agree with you completely. When China and others subsidize our consumer goods and the interest rates on our long-term debt, are they not simply 1) accelerating the on-going shift of basic industry from developed to emerging nations and 2) providing cheap capital to the USA that in turn is invested in long term assets that will improve the quality of life (housing, public works), capital expenditures that will improve the productivity of our economy (equipment & systems) and research and development in higher value arenas that create new industries, new jobs and much more wealth than is found in the commoditized industries that are being sent abroad?

AnonymousDecember 17th, 2006 at 12:33 pm

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) – The fourth quarter is turning out to be similar to Rocky Balboa, the Italian-Stallion, dismissed as a pretender but turning out to be a contender. After the Institute for Supply Management November index – which is probably the single best real-time gauge of the economy’s health – fell in November to its lowest level in five years, economists started to throw in the towel on the final three months of the year.  But data last week and expectations for the numbers this week show that, after a slow start, the fourth quarter is proving to be one tough cookie.  Government statistical agencies “were obviously in a real holiday mood [last week] because everything looked good. By and large, I think you are going to see that trend continuing,” said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor’s.  The highlight of last week was the retail sales report for November which came in much better than anticipated.  With the holiday season off to a healthy start, fourth quarter GDP growth is now expected to rise roughly in line with the third quarter’s 2.2% growth rate.  But that statistic masks some of the improvement.  ”It is picking up. It’s a matter of degree,” Wyss said.  ”Steady job growth, rising wage rates and moderating inflation are boosting real disposable income at the fastest pace since late 2004. Thus the housing market downturn is injecting caution, not panic” in consumers, said the economic team at Global Insight.  The biggest number of the coming week comes on Friday, with the Commerce Department report on durable-goods orders.  The durable-goods orders report is a maddening one. Demand for long-lived goods, especially capital equipment used to make other goods, ought to be one of the best leading indicators of economic growth. Optimists buy durables now; pessimists put it off.  But the data are extremely erratic month-to-month, often rising or falling by as much as 2 percentage points. One large order at Boeing can make a huge difference. So can the production schedules at automakers, shipbuilder and defense contractors.  Economists are predicting a 1.5% bounce for November after sizable 8.2% decline in October, the biggest drop since July 2000. But economist’s estimates range from a drop of 1.5% to a surge of 4.4%. The factory sector is facing a sluggish quarter, but it is not a rout.  The data “is basically suggesting no growth” rather than a decline in the sector, said Andrew Tilton, an economist at Goldman Sachs.  Another key indicator released Friday morning will be the income and spending data for November. Consumer spending rose a solid 0.5%, an acceleration from 0.2% in the previous month, the economists say. Incomes probably increased about 0.4% in November.  The core personal consumption deflator, a key measure of inflation for the Fed, most likely rose 0.1% in November. As a result, core inflation likely ticked down to a 2.3% gain after holding steady at 2.4% for two straight months.  Other data Home building is expected to rebound from the steep 14.6% decline in October Economists expect 1.53 million annualized starts in November, up 2.7% compared with 1.49 million in October. The peak for starts was 2.27 million units in January, but builders have “slammed on the brakes hard” in order to reduce excess inventories, said Global Insight.  ”The housing market is still facing at least a couple of quarters of very subdued production levels…but there are flickers of light at the end of the tunnel,” the team said in a research note.  Wyss said it may be impossible to get a true grasp of the housing market until the spring selling season.  The data will be released Tuesday at 8:30 a.m.  The producer price index should be less soothing than in October, but the data is not so important now that the tame CPI data for November has already been released, economists said.  The PPI likely rose 0.7% in November after a 1.6% fall in October. The core PPI likely rose 0.3%, up from falling 0.9% in the previous month, the economists say. The PPI comes out Tuesday at 8:30 a.m. Eastern.  The final estimate for real GDP growth for the third quarter is expected to hold steady at 2.2% annual rate. The data will be released Thursday at 8:30 a.m. Eastern.  But the data will not all be a bed of roses. Worries about the U.S. external deficit could surface again on Monday when the Commerce Department releases the third -quarter current account figures.  Economists expect the current account deficit widened to $225.5 billion, or more than 6.5% of GDP  Greg Robb is a senior reporter for MarketWatch in Washington. 

CojonudoDecember 17th, 2006 at 12:50 pm

Roubini,  You have been right all along. The fat lady sang and the market did not hear her. It is just like the Republicans did not hear the fat lady sing before the mid-term elections and they got a very rude awakeniung.  The 4th quarter is going to come in with zero growth or less. Monetary creation (printing more dollars) is up over 3.9%, while year over year annualized GDP in the US is currently about 2.75%. By the looks of it, if you do your math, US 4th quarter will come in with about a -0.2 growth, quarter to quarter and an annualized rate doen to 2.5% (due to a very strong first half of 2006).  Or you can stick your fingers in your ears and go Lalalalalalala…..  http://chevallier.turgot.org/a466-Fourth_quarter_zero_growth_.html

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 1:17 pm

 How many chinese are sent (exported )over to Dubai for their building boom?  How many migrants flood into shanghai yearly looking for work? (10′s of millions 100′s of millions?(cbc.ca) How does one have a civil discussion when the civilians can’t take part in the conversation? How can anyone have a meaningful discussion based on indexes (numbers)no one trusts? The conversation sounds are more like chattel much like cattle talk rather than having meaningful dialogue with sentient beings…. I say boo to this approach not moo;^> hum…. that American tv show where wives trade places hopefully to have a better understanding on how the other family lives — maybe the writers should go further and have them trade countries to capture the real experience of being chinese. Perhaps Mr. Chavez’ acknowlegement of Mr. Chomskys’ definition:” The term “globalization,” like most terms of public discourse, has two meanings: its literal meaning, and a technical sense used for doctrinal purposes. In its literal sense, “globalization” means international integration. Its strongest proponents since its origins have been the workers movements and the left (which is why unions are called “internationals”), and the strongest proponents today are those who meet annually in the World Social Forum and its many regional offshoots. In the technical sense defined by the powerful, they are described as “anti-globalization,” which means that they favor globalization directed to the needs and concerns of people, not investors,financial institutions and other sectors of power, with the interests of people incidental. That’s “globalization” in the technical doctrinal sense. Latin America is now exploring new and often promising paths in rejecting the doctrinal notions of “globalization,” and also in the remarkable growth of popular movements and authentic participation in the political systems. How successful this will be is more a matter for action than for speculation.”   Playing High-Stakes Media Games in China Topics: human rights | international | journalism | public relations  Source: The Wall Street Journal (sub req’d), December 15, 2006 As the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing approach, “the Chinese government knows cameras and notebooks are just as likely to record angry farmers protesting, practitioners of the banned Falun Gong discipline clashing with police, or Hollywood stars campaigning for Tibet’s independence — if reporters have the access.” While China has 31 journalists in jail — more than any other country — the government has “pledged to temporarily relax limits on foreign journalists” reporting on the Olympics. (China has declined to extend the new freedoms to domestic journalists.) For a gentler approach to media control, the Beijing Olympics Organizing Committee has put the PR firm Hill & Knowlton on retainer, while “Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide has been conducting training sessions for local governments.” “I think it is a part of the process of reform for them,” said the president of Ogilvy’s China office. Sun Weide, the Beijing Olympics Committee’s “message man” who “works extensively with Hill & Knowlton,” stressed, “The Olympic charter says very clearly that the Games are about sports, not politics.”  http://www.prwatch.org/spin http://bermuda-online.org/intcoys.htm (us tax outsourced havens)  Why blame George? Isn’t US democracy participatory? Why keep repeating histories nightmare when all one has to do is wake up.

AnonymousDecember 17th, 2006 at 1:25 pm

Our leaders go the China to plead for a devalued dollar because domestic manufacturers can’t compete. If they’re successful, consumers will lose by having to pay higher prices. Paulson and Bernanke want to screw the working class. Bend over. So much for the theory of comparative advantage.

AntoineDecember 17th, 2006 at 1:41 pm

I think the simple question that many have been deliberating upon is:  1/ How long can US consumers get something for nothing?  2/ Has the American consumer gotten something for nothing and if so, For how long?  Anecdotally, I would wager that the animal spirits of speculation and the green-eyed monsters of envy and greed have had the field to themselves for too long, too completely and without contest.   It’s like when N. Talib wrote about, induction traps. That because you’ve never seen a black swan doesn’t mean the don’t exist and that a black swan isn’t going to show up some day.   Consquently the most important question of what (economic hazard ahead) is substituted for when (timing). Thinking about Pascal’s wager I’d offer that the what (an economic event) is sizeably more important that the When, because if the proverbial Sh** does come about, it really doesn’t matter which quarter it does!   However, the green-eyed monsters play havoc with our feeble mortal minds and convince many that the When is the paramount issue. It isn’t. We see this silliness every time Dr. Roubini posts on his Blog, the green-eyed fairies spout and thrash about.  However, few have specifically tried or been about to refute Dr.Roubini’s central asserations, other than the easiest and probably the most moral argument one can employ on behalf of the soft-landing crowd, it is: American is a great country it is a strong and amaziningly diverse and dynamic entity that has shown that it can re-invent itself every generation or so to maintain its economic pre-eminence. Betting against America has been a failed wager for most of the last 300 years and nothing has fundamentally changed in the US over the last 5 years. Problems-Yes, but fixable.   I can’t wait to see what ’07 holds, ironically as a matter of discipline I’m fully in and long US Value stocks, because as student of Ben Graham, I’m greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy (perhaps now!). Cheers. 

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 1:53 pm

 My understanding is that Mr Bernanke lived in Japan. Could he fear deflation? With an aging population what good are higher prices if you don’t need to buy it?(is this Moore’s law) I’ve read that the American Doctors are organizing and upset that you can now go outside of the U.S. for health care and have your hip, face, whatever fixed. Competition is a wonderful thing n’est pas? Since that group feels financially threatened do you think the U.S. will create a universal health care system?

AnonymousDecember 17th, 2006 at 3:01 pm

workers movements and the left (which is why unions are called “internationals”), and the strongest proponents today are those who meet annually in the World Social Forum   That is only a “side” of the left in term(left/right bs) you can get. You forget about the 19th/early 20th century reactionary left that was anti-Christian,Anti-Bourgeois however VERY Western influenced men either from the pre-Christian era or scientific rationalism. White centric, masculine focused Nationalism that turned into Fascism in its authoritarian forms in the 20th century and was a surprising underside of the 60′s counterculture that lead headbanging against the Culture Marxists during that same time period. Yet, that history has been pretty much muted out by the system.   The future of Socialism isn’t Internationalism and direct materialistic crusades, but Cultural Nationalism and return to Pre-Christian identity the Western man began losing 2000 years ago. My view is, if the “Right Wing” doesn’t see this, revolution is possible.

Peter J BoltonDecember 17th, 2006 at 3:45 pm

In reference to The US Fed and Treasury recent junket to China (as linked and referenced above):  It is more than most unusual and unpredictable that China would threaten Paulsen et al. That is to say, the USA, with a blatant statement indicating that China would dump its US debt, treasuries and dollar before they became totally worthless. There is something missing to this story that has not been reported, as this is 1. a threat and 2. a forewarning of great value – and certainly, on the face of it, not to be expected in the game of diplomacy with China.  It is extraordinary.  My guess is that the US threatened China at the table, but with what?, we don’t know – perhaps a high degree of protectionist barriers if China does not do it (whatever it was that the US demanded). Sounds to me like the US got desperate and fell back to its default set of one option, that is, threats of war, violence, death and destruction, etc., etc.  There is a saying around diplomatic circles that the only time you can and should trust the Americans is when they promise war and China is well aware of this Maxim.  Certainly, the US has lost much more face during this visit (if the reporting is a faithful representation – more or less – of what occured) but then, it seems to me, so has China albeit in its stark response (as reported). As China now must act on its retaliatory words – it has no choice – as the etiquettes of face demands it so.  All the World knows that Americans’ are truly naive about everything but this reporting (above) suggests intense desperation on the part of the US and just perhaps, China responded to a really desperate and unconsidered threat (far greater than expected) – that was an out-of-the-blue surprise and totally illogical suggestive move by the US – in the only extreme manner and option, that was left – as the final straw and last resport. Certainly not, from the heat of the moment as one would normally expect.  We know the US is desperate but what high-level message did Paulsen, Benanke and Co. carry from Bush & Co. to China that resulted in such a extreme reaction, and why?  I doubt if China would be so irrational to react in this manner to a threat of high protectionist schemes from the US as that will result in an immediate end to the (American Dream)- it had to be something else – a massive forced devaluation of the US dollar and the cancellation of all US debt held by China?  as I said, interesting.  Let the Fatt Lady Sing   

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 5:32 pm

Peter,   I find it interesting that I can find nothing about threats (from U.S. or China) in the standard (for lack at this moment of a better word) media , but neither did I believe the retail sales number from the Goverment reports.   Interesting if true.

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 9:32 pm

to Kerub,you exercised signficant editorial finesse in your translation of Marco’s comments written in Italian. I happen to agree with his comments. But more importantly, professor Roubini is very fluent in Italian, having attended a prestigious university there. He can read it and understand it better than you or myself.

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 9:36 pm

Why is it a surprising that the economy continues to do well? There has been way too much drinking of the kool-aid around this blog vis-a-vis the housing market and the overweening desire to find data that will fit the hypothesis that the housing sector is poised to pull-down the overall economy. Macro and micro-economic data-mining for any little validation to thinly support the years-old lament that the current state of the economy is anything less than a boom evidently never gets old with some.   For a reality check look through the bear masks and see a fairly strong economic foundation: growing real wages, crazy-strong corporate profits, an export boosting weak dollar.   If one fixates on the troubles in housing, it is not too hard to find statistics that promise 45% declines, etc. What is missing in most of the discussion is that RFI is roughly 5%-6% of the economy, and the biggest problems are in a very narrow segment of the market – subprime lending, which is roughly 7% of the housing market. Hence, we are looking at 7% of 5% of the economy: 0.35%. If housing impacts 15% of the economy because of sympathetic spending, that roughs out to a 1% GDP decline. That is IF the doomsday bear scenario plays out as meticulously scripted – which it has not.    One thing is certain: If you have been anything but long and strong you’ve been wrong (investing wise). From a trader’s perspective, fighting the tape is always a losing battle. The trend remains up, momentum is positive, seasonal strength is upon us, and the bears and shorts have been vanquished.   Notice the strong run-up in home prices in preceding years (limiting the impact of modest near-term price declines for most consumers), the impact of demographics and second home buying (sure it’s an asset, but it is also where many are deciding to spend their golden years), and the fact that interest rates are falling in tandem with housing prices (raising affordability), you have the makings of less dramatic outcome in housing.   While I enjoy the blog, I am amazed that so many so-called “smart” folks are so focused on such a narrow slice of the economy, and are shocked, shocked! that the economy has not fallen into the abyss. 

GuestDecember 17th, 2006 at 10:07 pm

if the private equity firms cant exit in a roaring, bull, market, gloablly, what happens when they all go to the door at once!  Money drying up for some investors in buyout firms Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:10pm ET   By Michael Flaherty   NEW YORK (Reuters) – The massive funds raised by private equity firms and the faster-than-expected speed with which they’re spending them are stretching some of their investors thin, causing concern that there won’t be enough money to go around in 2007.   The crunch on institutional investors is being fueled by a 32 percent drop in the number of sales by private equity firms, known as exits, in the last two years, while the number of buyouts has skyrocketed.   What is worrying institutional investors is that funds are coming back to them too quickly for money, without a track record from their prior fund.   A drying up of institutional capital would be a major setback to private equity firms raising funds next year and would likely prompt a slowdown in the torrid pace of deals sparked by the sector in the last two years.   Feeding such concerns are reports that firms such as Bain Capital, which raised $10 billion last year, may return to the fund-raising trail next year. The Carlyle Group and Warburg Pincus LLC are also expected to raise $10 billion-plus funds next year — a relatively short turnaround time from their prior funds.   Signs that The Blackstone Group is having a hard time raising the last chunk of the industry’s largest-ever buyout fund, according to sources, are also helping to stoke fund-raising worries. Blackstone closed a $15.6 billion fund earlier this year, and reportedly is seeking to reopen and lift it to $20 billion.   None of the firms would comment on their fund raising.  There are some big funds coming out amazingly fast across the board. If you come back to market with few to no exits, that always creates difficulty for the investor. They’re being asked to double down here,” said Erik Hirsch, chief investment officer at Hamilton Lane, an advisory firm overseeing more than $48 billion of private equity commitments.   The value of private equity-backed buyouts this year doubled to $602.4 billion from last year, according to Dealogic, on 1,912 deals.   At the same time, the value of their exits is down 23 percent to $176.8 billion. The number of exits, which include selling to other buyers or public offerings, is down 24 percent to 698, Dealogic says.   ”Exits are way down. That raises issues on what LPs have in cash. LPs keep plowing money out but there’s nothing coming in. You’ve seen them do big deals, but you haven’t seen the exits,” Hirsch said.   Private equity firms buy and sell companies using money raised from institutional investors such as state pension funds and college endowments.   So-called buyout firms used to take four to five years to spend their funds, allowing investors to receive returns gained from the sale of assets over that time. These institutional investors, known as limited partners (LPs), had money going out and money coming in. Right now, the money is mainly going out.   Indeed, so many big funds are spending money so fast that its sucking demand from investors. If private equity firms keep buying into companies at a pace that far exceeds their exits, the LP spigot could go from a steady stream to a slow trickle.  Large institutional investors such as the California Public Employees’ Retirement System are confident they will have enough money to go around next year.   But other LPs and private equity managers are not so confident. While industry experts predict private equity activity to continue to grow into 2007, an LP pullback in the next fund cycle would almost certainly spark a slowdown.   The Oregon State Treasury, a big investor in some of the largest buyout funds, including Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., Texas Pacific Group Ventures Inc. and Apollo Management, tapped out of its 2006 allocation money in September.   ”That’s the first time that’s ever occurred for us,” said Jay Fewel, senior equities investment officer at the Oregon State Treasury. He added that he was aware of other institutional investors that used up allocation money as early as May.   And no wonder. Last year, U.S. buyout funds raised around $150 billion, a 50 percent increase from the prior year, according to Thomson Financial, and roughly $50 billion was raised by overseas funds. This year, funds expect to raise $300 billion, according to private equity experts.   LPs are spending more on buyout funds because their returns are so impressive, especially from the largest funds. In the 12 months through June 2006, investments in private equity firms returned 22.5 percent vs. 6.6 percent for the S&P 500, according to Thomson.   Buyout firms’ success has been fueled in part by smart deals, favorable debt markets and an absence of corporate buyers. Private equity firms accounted for 22 percent of global M&A volume in the first nine months of the year, hitting a record $570.1 billion in deals. That’s up from around 5 percent a few years ago.   A restriction in institutional capital next year could dampen activity, but it could also broaden the investor base for private equity firms. For example, smaller LPs or international investors seeking a slice of the action may be hit up by more buyout funds. Still, a cautious base of large investors would probably lead to megafunds getting smaller.   ”There are a lot of fears in the back of LPs’ minds that private equity firms are writing checks like crazy,” said Kelly DePonte of Probitas Partners, a private equity fund-raising firm. “With another fund raising wave incoming in ’07, a lot of LPs are beginning to feel tapped out. They’re thinking this may be a great time to sell companies, not a great time to buy.”   

Heather JohnsonDecember 17th, 2006 at 11:54 pm

Call me an optimist, but I’d like to believe that Paulson has the best interests of both the US and the global economy in mind. He took on an extremely challenging role and is taking a proactive approach to US economic discussions with China.   Everyone is so quick to criticize him but who the heck would want his job? What a nightmare. There is little upside and I think he has the expertise and the ability to make a real difference. He’s not a yes man. He doesn’t need this job.   He’s brilliant, pragmatic, and is no stranger to tough decisions. He’s a banker and economist; of course he realizes the impact that an appreciation of the yuan would have on US inflation. It’s going to happen eventually. It’s all about timing. Let’s hope that it’s a somewhat controlled appreciation and $1 trillion USD doesn’t hit the market at once. Paulson’s not only concerned about US inflation. At the recent G7 meetings he emphasized China’s need for expanded foreign investment and competition in its domestic financial markets.   Call me naïve, fine. But I do believe Paulson has the ability and desire to truly address a number of our economic problems.   

G. AntonDecember 18th, 2006 at 5:36 am

Jon G.  It seems to me that you are severely underestimating the capabilities of our president.  The problem as I see it is that George has been busy printing money, and because George has suppressed publication of M-2 data, Chinese Vice Premirer Wu Yi was unaware of this activity. As a result of this oversight on George’s part, Wu Yi claims he has been dupped out of 300 billion dollars.  I suggest that George has a one-on-one with Vice Premier Wu Yi, explaining to him that everyone gets royally screwed now and then, and that Wu Yi’s continual carping and whining on this subject only has the effect of pointing out to the whole world that Wu Yi has been “had” big time. Given a big George Bush smile and hug, a friendly George Bush pat on the back, perhaps a playful George Bush jab in the ribs, and a George Bush promise to “never do it again”, all will be forgiven! (Trust me on this one, George–it’s a shame that none of your advisors has my in-depth understanding of the intricacies of the Chinese mind.)  

StormyDecember 18th, 2006 at 7:05 am

Subsidy of exports? Beyond just the RMB?  Of course. One aspect barely noticed is the reduced taxation on the primary exporters: foreign nationals.   They are taxed at 15%, not 30%. If those foreign companies comprise 60%+ of China’s exports, that is a healthy subsidy.  Odd that we never discuss facts like this.   Let’s see: If taxation is halved, what appreciation would the RMB have to have to make up that difference?

GuestDecember 18th, 2006 at 9:55 am

In summarizing this blog Are there more than these four factors for the term “bubble.”  1) fool or greater fools theory 2) too much money is chasing too few assets, causing both good assets and bad assets to appreciate excessively beyond their fundamentals to an unsustainable level. (risk averse and thus avoid leveraged capital because the costs of borrowing too expensive.)  3) greed and irrational exuberance greed (Overbidding – on certain assets will at some point result in inadequate rates of return for investors, only then the asset price deflation will begin)—> higher service rates 4)communication of economic actors  karl marx definition of ficticious captial: the market value of physical and financial assets could, backed by credit, be driven up and artificially inflated by some margin, purely as a result of supply and demand factors which could themselves be manipulated for profit. That margin of value could, however, just as suddenly disappear, if large amounts of capital were withdrawn.  profit could be made purely from trading in a variety of financial claims existing only on paper.  profit could be made by using only borrowed capital to engage in (speculative) trade, not backed up by any tangible asset.  In addition, changes in underlying technology of a competitor, such as a labor saving advance, can render market value of paper claims to an asset “fictitious.” Many features of modern global capitalism reflect the impact of such changes. Thus, a business firm may attempt to prop up the market value of its stock by increasing the rate of exploitation of its work force in order to keep up with the innovating firm. Other firms may attempt to use legal sanctions in the form of, for example, intellectual property law to prevent competitors, or potential competitors, from developing labor saving advances.    

dissentDecember 18th, 2006 at 11:13 am

I read Roubini like a hawk and as an admirer I can only say this is specious:    speaking of “export subsidies” in the context of currency policy is loaded and dangerous: export subsidies are illegal within the WTO rules. And arguing that a weak currency is effectively an export “subsidy” could even give legal cover to those in the US who may pursue protectionist legal action against China because of its alleged export “subsidies”. This is not an idle threat: when I was at the White House’s CEA in the late 1990s we had to fight non-stop bone-headed protectionist proposals by the Dept. of Commerce … to change US “dumping” rules to include low import prices due to the weakening currency values of some of our trading partners (for example the Asian currencies in crisis). …  He is comparing criticism and challenge of the Chinese peg to Dept of Commerce pushing to change rules about dumping with regards to countries whose currencies were in crisis during the Asian currency crisis.  Faulty comparision:  How long has the Chinese peg been going on? How massive has the impact of the Chinese peg been on the American economy? How much productive capability have we lost to the Chinese because of the peg? What impact does the Chinese peg have on other Asian currencies relative to the dollar?  In all these cases, the effect on the American CA deficit and the American economy of the Chinese peg dwarfs by several *orders of magnitude* the effect of Asian currencies in crisis during the period in question.  It’s propaganda to put the apple and elephant in the same basket!

LordDecember 18th, 2006 at 2:17 pm

Export subsidy is more correct than import subsidy since it effects trade with all partners, not just America. It is however not just a low valued currency that is the problem, but a lack of exchangability. If China wants a low valued yen, then let it do so, but let it pay the full price by allowing others to bet against them and buy undervalued Chinese assets. This is what makes it unfair.  

JuanDecember 18th, 2006 at 3:19 pm

Thanks Guest, fictitious capital is a useful category for our understanding of the capital system.   It’s been some time since I read Capital Vol III but my recollection is that one primary distinction between real and fictitious capital has to do with the fact that the former is, as actual means of production and labor, the only moment in the system which is able to create/generate surplus value and with this the potential for greater accumulation of the real, i.e. growth. On the other hand there is the issuance of claims to that surplus, of shares, bonds, etc. Real and surplus creating on one hand, claims on the other. As this progresses, some – then many – come to confuse the two, believing the claims to be the real when they are no more than a representation standing next to the real and representations which depend on what they are claims too.  Credit expansion enters as a means to support these claims, as a means to perpetuate fictitious capital, even as/because their basis in the real proves unable to provide a suffiency of surplus value — the struggle by each firm to accomplish such creation is also seen in the reduction of labor-power used and the greater rate of exploitation of remaining employees, which – for the system as a whole – negatively effects the mass of new surplus value created so further undermines fictitious capital’s basis. As the mass of claims expands and available surplus value is constant or contracting, it’s evident that fictitious capital should be destroyed but, as I was saying, credit expansion comes to the rescue as it increasingly substitutes for actual profit of production; a portion of credit can then be seen as a form of fictitious profit.  For the universe of claims, of fictitious capital, to sustain, we are left with the need to increase both rate and mass of profit from production relative to claims and provide permanent credit inflation…the two are contradictory.  Of course there’s much more to it. The more than a century ago move to neoclassic theory has – as it was supposed to – mystified such relations and categories away.  Su amigo

JuanDecember 18th, 2006 at 5:25 pm

Velocity M-2 last peaked in 1997 but its yoy rate of rise peaked roughly two years earlier…a bottom was made in 2003 with rise since, but its rate of increase stalled in 2004. Looking at the whole 1959-2006 period, it appears that rate of change in velocity may be a better indicator than velocity itself, though obviously the two are related. See what you think, Chart: http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/var/vel-gdp-per-m2+1959+2006+3+1+1+500+1200++0  Here's same for Velocity M-1: http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/var/vel-gdp-per-m1+1959+2006+3+1+1+500+1200++0 (a slightly different picture)  Flight to quality, and to cash, seems reasonable to me.

GuestDecember 19th, 2006 at 1:06 pm

Juan,  I am trying to grow up as one reader suggested I do — in understanding dollar hedgemony. ”US foreign debt being denominated in dollars, a fiat currency that the US and only the US can print at will. The US is the only nation in the world whose foreign debt is denominated in its own currency. In that sense, the US has no real foreign debt as all its debts are sovereign debts payable in currency it can issue at will. The term foreign debt usually means debt denominated in foreign currencies. Such debts require the backing of adequate foreign reserves because the debtor governments cannot print foreign currencies and are therefore subject to risks of default on foreign currency loans. Foreign debts for the US, as they are denominated in dollars, are only sovereign debts held by foreigners. If foreigners holding US sovereign debt want to cash them in, the US can print as much dollar as it needs to satisfy them. Therefore the US does not face risks of default on its foreign debts. This is what makes US sovereign debts relatively safe investments, as sovereign debts are not exposed to default risk, only foreign exchange risk. The key behind the intrinsic value of the dollar is that dollars, and only dollars, are accepted by the US government for payment of taxes and all other governmental receipts. These characteristics, laid out as the State Theory of Money, make the dollar a political instrument exempted from rules that govern financial instruments.” http://henryckliu.com/page109.html    hum…socialize the losses/privatize the profits

JuanDecember 20th, 2006 at 1:18 am

Guest:  Here’s a section from a recent Tony Smith paper re. the world market:  Uneven development  Cross border flows of commodities do not necessarily tend to balance automatically in the world market. Trade surpluses arise in some countries, while trade deficits emerge in others. Equilibrium could be approached if deficit countries imposed restrictive policies and surplus countries increased public spending and allowed higher wages. Deficit countries would then import less, while the stimulation of domestic consumption in the surplus countries would lead them to import more and export less. The logic of the capital/wage labor relation in surplus countries, however, necessarily tends to discourage this sort of symmetrical adjustment. Domestic industries are generally able to block reflationary policies on the grounds that higher wages would hurt profits. And political elites in surplus countries generally prefer to accumulate foreign reserves instead, on the grounds that this enhances the position of surplus states within the interstate hierarchy. These reserves can then be loaned to deficit countries.  As long as debtor nations can tap global credit markets, this situation can persist for an extended period. But the structural tendency to uneven development in the world market is reinforced in four major ways. First, a steady stream of reverse capital flows from debtor to creditor countries is put in place. Second, debtor countries are far more burdened than would be the case with a more symmetrical response to trade imbalances in surplus and deficit countries. Debtor countries become increasingly vulnerable to capital outflows, which are more likely to occur with low interest rates and redistributive social policies. And so interest rates tend to be high and austerity programs severe, whatever the political regime in place. Third, the need to repay capital imports leads debtor countries to concentrate more and more on production for exports. For reasons discussed above, these exports will tend to be industrial and agricultural commodities that do not embody product or process innovations. As more debtor countries export these sorts of commodities, world market prices tend to stagnate or decline, reinforcing the tendency to uneven terms of exchange. Fourth, while imbalances are allowed to build up for a long time, the asymmetry between excessive indebtedness and excessive surpluses regularly if unpredictably erupt in crisis, forcing brutal adjustments on the weaker debtor nations (Guttmann 439-40)  There is one exception to the general tendency for deficit countries to bear adjustment costs: when a hegemonic state falls into deficit, it is generally able to avoid these costs for an extended period of time. This brings us to the concept of “seigniorage,” another essential determination of the world market. We have already noted that at the very beginning of Capital it is implicit that all currencies must ultimately be defined in relation to world money. Considering the essential determinations of the world market from the perspective of the interstate system allows us to develop this thesis more concretely.  What is world money? Whether or not commodity money is socially recognized in a given epoch, there is in capitalism a general tendency for credit money and paper currencies to become increasingly central. Given the hierarchy of states that is an essential feature of the interstate system, not all forms of paper money are created equal. The currency of the hegemonic state necessarily tends to play a privileged role in the world market; this currency necessarily tends to become the main de facto form of world money. As a result that hegemonic state necessarily tends to enjoy certain privileges in the world market. For one thing, it will not face limits on the ability to create credit money that are imposed on other nations. For another, it will be able to fund massive trade deficits without significant loss in the value of its currency, at least for an extended period of time. These privileges rest on the need and desire of foreign agents to obtain the dominant reserve currency of the world market for the sake of international payments and investments. As long as credit flows into the hegemonic state continue, that is, as long as loans are rolled over by new loans, trade deficits can become ever more massive, with the result that more and more of the world’s output is consumed in the domestic market of the dominant region. The only costs for maintaining this state of affairs are the fees involved in the new loans. From a moral point of view there is certainly something quite troubling about this situation. Institutionalized austerity in the poorest regions of the world economy is systematically connected with hyperconsumerism within the wealthiest sectors of the wealthiest region, which happens to be the greatest debtor in the world economy as well.  Overaccumulation and financial crises   Seigniorage does more than exacerbate the systematic tendency to uneven development in the world market. This determination of also allows us to re-think the systematic tendencies in the world market to overaccumulation and financial crises in a more concrete and complex fashion. The expanded ability to create credit money enjoyed by the hegemonic power, combined with inflows of foreign capital, allows the build-up of excessive capacity in leading sectors of the dominant economy to proceed far beyond the point it would otherwise attain. The relevance of this systematic feature of the world market to recent economic history is straightforward:  With its own currency having a monopoly status as world money, [the U.S.] was the only country whose capacity to run external deficits was not restricted by its available foreign exchange reserves. We could therefore run much more stimulative policies and escape recessionary policy adjustments much longer than would otherwise have been possible (Guttmann 1994, 114-15).  As a direct result the systematic tendency to an overaccumulation of fixed capital in the world market is greatly exacerbate. The greater the overaccumulation of capital in the world market, the more brutal the devaluation of capital that must eventually follow in its wake (Brenner 1998).  Regarding financial crises, the first point to note is the “normal” state of affairs that follows from the above:  There is a contradiction between being the issuer of the key currency [in the world market] and at the same time also the world’s largest debtor nation. The former status depends on maintaining a stable currency, whereas the latter encourages lower exchange rates. (Guttmann 1994, xx)  One manner in which the law of value operating on the level of the world market subsumes even the hegemonic state under it is by forcing that state to ping pong back and forth between these two contradictory policy objectives. Increasing levels of bets on currencies and volatility in foreign-exchange markets becomes the “normal” state of affairs, as international investors devote greater resources to “hedging” against currency risk and speculators detect more opportunities for gains.  If the hegemonic state retains its ability to foster innovations promising surplus profits in the future, financial flows in the world market become yet more complex. Whether this is the case or not is a contingent matter. But if it is the case, there is a certain amount of systematic necessity in how the situation tends to unfold. The excessive credit money creation and capital inflows that are the benefits of seigniorage systematically tend to exacerbate the tendency to capital asset inflation discussed above. Inflows of financial capital reinforce the tendency for the value of the fictitious capital of new innovative sectors to increase in a self-sustaining dynamic
that breaks off from any reasonable assessment of future profits in those sectors. In this manner seigniorage contributes to speculative bubbles in the pricing of capital assets far beyond what would otherwise occur. The benefits of seigniorage allow the day of reckoning to be put off. But sooner or later it becomes clear that the accumulation of fixed capital exceeds what is likely to be valorized by future profits (that is, future surplus value production). The greater the imbalances that have been built up prior to this point, the greater the social disruptions that follow, both for the hegemonic power in particular and for the world market as a whole. A massive flight out of the world currency may occur at this point, paralyzing the international monetary system. These considerations show that however mistaken extreme neoliberals may be when they proclaim the “death of the state,” recalcitrant nationalists are equally mistaken. The state form is inserted within the systematic totality of the world market. Even the hegemonic power in the system of states cannot escape the law of value governing the world market (Smith forthcoming).”  Whether Tony is specific or not, point is that the hegemonic nation is most able to appropriate an unequal share of global surplus value via processes of unequal exchange…equally, no nation can attain permanent hegemonic status which rises and decays. Immanuel Wallerstein makes a case that U.S. hegemony peaked in the late 1960s and began decline towards the end of the 1990s. NB that his is not simply economic but a multifaceted consideration.

GuestDecember 21st, 2006 at 12:51 pm

the law of value ..hum fractional banking ,carry trades, public vs private central banks. Forgive my teenage brain which likes to over simplify… looking at two categories borrowers /investors — G2 Euro / dollar –one is supposed to balance the other? Isn’t that a good thing? Why are people waiting for a correction? Corrections are always taking place offset by (life/death) in actuarial theory. (Insurance and risk) Derivatives spread the risk? After all, those are just itty bits of dx. We all heard the speech on “road to serfdom,” (Hayek 1940) GIVE ME A BREAK.   Not long ago canadians were told under the rules of nafta that their social health care system was an unfair trade advantage. Interesting words the banker uses in his written speech in regard to subsidies and social nets. Who really wants to listen to a banker where the country ,”spends less than almost all rich countries on social services for the poor and disabled, and it gets what it pays for:the highest poverty rate among the rich countries and an exploding prison population. How about pubilc health, its dependence on private health care has led to its system porr results at very high costs. ” Jeffery Sachs expanded version http://www.sciam.com/ontheweb.   …that companies are in effect borrowing money interest-free from their employees.That is essentially how the system works right now. There is work that has already been performed, and the company says: “Rather than paying all of your compensation at that point in time, we are paying [a] portion of it in current wages, and a portion of it we will defer paying until a later point in time. Once you retire, then we’ll start paying some additional monies to you.”  The issue is, how do you fund those obligations? The company could set aside enough resources at that point in time to fully [fund] that liability that has to pay out. … If it doesn’t fully fund that promise, it is, in effect, borrowing from its employees on a no-interest-cost basis. Let’s discuss these large defaults that you’ve talked about. Almost every one of those is connected with bankruptcy, isn’t it? Or the bulk of them are? The typical way in which companies terminate their pension plans in underfunded status is through the distress termination process in bankruptcy. There are occasionally terminations outside of bankruptcy, but those are relatively rare.  Is there a conflict between the bankruptcy law and the ERISA retirement law? It looks as though the bankruptcy law gives companies the right to override these obligations that they’ve undertaken. There are a number of examples where the Bankruptcy Code and ERISA collide and do not interact very well. … When a company fails to make contributions to its pension plan, if they’re not bankrupt, PBGC is able to step in and enforce a lien for the amount of missed contributions. However, when the company is in bankruptcy, there are automatic stay provisions that kick. … That is, when a company fails to meet its contributions in bankruptcy, there is no meaningful consequence. So you’re saying that bankruptcy law trumps the ERISA retirement law. At least as it’s been interpreted by bankruptcy courts. Another example: … There is a provision in ERISA that establishes the amount of PBGC’s claim. … The bankruptcy courts have … ignored those provisions of ERISA and gone through their own process to determine the claim amount.  Do the employees and does your agency, PBGC, have a seat at the table in the bankruptcy proceedings? We do. We are often the largest creditor, albeit an unsecured creditor. We are typically on … the official committee of unsecured creditors. We tend to be very actively engaged in these matters. … [But] we are at the bottom of the totem pole. … We come behind all the secured creditors. … The secured creditors get the lion’s share. … It’s after they’ve divided up the pie that the general unsecured creditors, of which PBGC is one, get whatever remains. Our recovery typically is in the order of 5 to 7 cents on the dollar, whereas you may get 90 cents on the dollar for the largest, the most secured creditors. …  So the banks have loaned money to the corporation. The employees have loaned money, in effect, to the company through their deferred payment, [their] pensions. But the banks get paid back 95, 96, 97 percent, and the employees get paid back 5, 6, 7 percent? … It’s the way the Bankruptcy Code allocates priorities right now. That’s how Congress has set up the system. That’s how our capital markets function. There are consequences to changing that. … The question is, would credit [for distressed companies] dry up if you had a different set of rules? …to demystify further go to (pbs.org/frontline)  Excuse my segway and correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t the verb “volare” once used to mean “to be worthy, to have value when did the word make the shift to an economic definition? The school system I traveled through emphazied who are you rather than what do you do. Since the magazine has placed you and me on the front cover announcing our creativity Juan, will we be able to know if the smoke was coming from burning tires or was it really a village?” I know this is a discussion for economics and I have looked at a lot of statistics but have you read these.  (1987 figures)   When progress means we can feed the world but half goes starving.  We can blow up the world 12 times over but we can’t afford to educate our children? Every minute on the planet 30 children die for lack of food and cheap vaccines, while every minute 1.3 m of public’s treasure is spent on the world’s military budget. The US spends 200b a year for defense against foreign enemies; yet 45% of Americans are afraid to go out at night within a mile of home. For every 100, 000 people in the world, there are 556 soldiers and only 85 doctors. For every soldier, the average world annual expenditure is 22,000; for every school-age child the average public education expenditure is $380. The cost of a single nuclear submarine equals the annual budget of 23 developing countries with 160m school age children. The amount of money spent on armaments for two weeks could provide clean water for the entire world. And the most active and profitable business on the planet is war. War is marketable. War is growth and development and is exportable.    …The president asked for 90b.more from the printing presses? War is growth the bubble will continue — war is peace … its too Orwellian for me.  c/

JuanDecember 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 am

Hi again Guest,   Since you mention serfdom, what was that relation but a coerced exchange of labor for the right to subsistance production on a plot belonging to lord of the manor. That is, there was no wage and was an outright, very evident, appropriation of part of the serf’s product, usually that of two or more days/week, the remainder of time being necessary to allow the serf and his family to create sufficient product for their own material reproduction, to stay alive.  Clearly then. the serf’s labor was divided into that which was for the manor’s lord and that which was required for the serf’s material survival.  Push the serf off the land, remove his only means to subsist, and what do we have? An individual with nothing to sell, nothing to allow for survival, other than the sale of his labor power. The serf has become wage worker, and on the surface all is freedom and equality as the owner of capital and the new wage worker enter into an apparent exchange of equivalents. The worker obtains a wage and the owner of means of production legally appropriates the product of that workers labor, it has been alienated from he who produced it. But why would the owner of capital bother with this if he was not able to profit from it; if beneath the surface the exchange was not equal but the contrary? This capitalist must, if he is to stay in business, be able to accomplish what the manor lord did.  The wage paid need only be sufficient to allow the wage worker to survive, not equivalent to the total value that his labor creates over any given period. The working time can, somewhat like that of the serf’s, be divided between that necessary to create a value equivalent to the wage paid and along with this, a value in excess of that necessary amount, a surplus value. Such unpaid labor and its appropriation is neatly masked by the wage…but without it there could be no profit from production, no accumulation of production capital, no growth but just distribution and redistribution which is clearly unproductive. This is where markup theories of profit falter since they place the source of surplus and of profit in the market which logically cannot produce anything.  Superficially, capital and labor may exist as equals but substantively this has never been the case.  Value, as a socioeconomic category, traces back at least so far as Adam Smith and/or the Physiocrats. Most all of the early political economists recognized labor as the sole source of new value but it was left to Marx to explain surplus value…a category which was disappeared by neoclassic economists whose theoretic basis was primarily a subjective one, based on dgrees of need rather than the actual process of production.   Undoubtedly not clear but that’s what happens when trying to condense a much more involved analysis into a few sentences.  ’half the world goes starving’ since, in the capital system, the only demand/need which is recognized is monetarily effective demand. This system does not exist to satisfy needs but to maximize profit. Those with no or insufficient money and no ownership of the means to produce are abandoned to swell the ranks of the absolutely impoverished. Only in capitalism do we have a system of simultaneous overproduction and starvation.  Production of means of destruction, of so-called defense, is related to the existance of competing national states and the dynamics of inter-imperialist rivalries. As well, this production, mediated by governments, makes up an allocation type economy in which public funds are directed into private production and essentially guaranteed profits. It is an offense.  as your examples make clear, there is no shortage of funds but an ongoing misdirecting of very large amounts. To reiterate, capital is in the profit – not the save the planet – business. But, in its drive to gain ever more it necessarily creates the bases of its own elimination.  ’In the end’, this is system of social relations, of human beings, and no one but us can save the day.

GuestDecember 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 am

Thank you Juan for taking the time to respond  Ownership – interesting word in a, “we loan but you never own system.”    Forgive my ignorance but aren’t there larger funds using hedge neutral strategy? Gains balanced with loss…. Entropy created by holding a basket of currencies. Is this not a zero sum game? If the lender lends to oil companies but also is a buyer of some of the companies for alternative energy? So if you own oil stocks why would you care about the price of gas at the pump? You’re hedged! I don’t own a car so with geometric weightings and using hedonist rationalization these prices don’t affect me according to the theory. Substitute your taste for filet, with hamburger or I may not continue to eat meat.  …. ‘international working Grid, running more than 5,000 computing jobs at a time. Our next aim is to scale up the computing power available by a factor of ten, so that we’ll have 10,000 computers in the UK alone”… These scales are too much for my teenage brain. (Theory of large numbers)   A shaman, Igjugarjuk, a caribou Eskimo tribe in northern Canada, the one who told European visitors that the only true wisdom,” lives far from mankind, out in the great loneliness, and can be reached only through suffering. Privation and suffering alone open the mind to all that is hidden to others.” Joseph Campbell, “Power of Myth”  Have you read Chief Seattle speech? When he asked, who owns the air, the water, the soil or Dr. David Suzuki’s book “Sacred Balance” follow-up book the “Good News” book. I am not making money on mentioning these books just some of the many thinkers that have influenced my thinking. What’s left to be commoditized?  I hope you don’t mind, Juan, all this thinking about commoditization made my cynical brain create this response… I hope you are laughing along with me.   I say we unite all our wombs on the planet to create a super hedge fund called, Womb of Wombs. (See theory of large numbers), issue life bonds and sell them on the global future and derivative markets.  Within the bond data base the names of all children on the planet are named on each bond. The children are dying younger these days and already in short supply making them more precious (see environmental scarcity). ) Investors like shortages which will in turn make the bond bullish. Obviously, worth more alive, the IN-vestors (older wombs) already see their long term value whereby increasing the number you increase the value. (Theory of large numbers) On the downside risk there are maintenance fees such as education, health care, good food, clean water etc. love and compassion. But the upside to all that flipping, and reselling, other investors benefit from the service fees. For example, income trusts or the risk derivative market. Although, I must warn you studies have shown that love and compassion cause addiction and can cross the blood /brain barrier infecting the brains of other investors. Spin off the infection and sell to the natural remedy market. This by-product induces competition to the stimulant market producing lower margins, forcing investors into the Womb fund. The product will need protection and therefore strict enforcement terms on issuance. NOTE: WARNING THIS PRODUCT IS NOT TO BE BOUGHT OR SOLD INTO GLOBAL WAR MACHINE OR YOU WILL BE CUT OFF BY WAY OF BIRTH CONTROL OR OUTRIGHT REFUSAL.  If any child ends up in the global war machine data base and by way of cross reference to our data base we will take the matter up to the WTO where our trade lawyers WILL EXERCISE OUR PROPRIETARY RIGHTS.  Trading may be halted under the rules of the SEC, but this creates more upside since, as wombs, we are bullish and will hold on to them for the long run.  If i am labelled as a protectionist force when it comes to the planet’s children i accept!   

JuanDecember 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pm

Sure there are funds using market neutral strategies, the idea is fairly intuitive,,,try to maximize relative and absolute return while reducing portfolio volatility through, e.g, long-short pairings and leverage. As a relative price method, this is one step beyond those which are purely directional. I believe that in most cases neutral is a misnomer as it implies a type of stasis or equilibrium rather than the actual movement which takes place. It’s my impression that many or most of those who practice this depend on statistical analysis of historic price movement but this can miss what a solid political and economic analysis does not. For example, I don’t believe that a strict statistical analysis could have predicted the Brazilian stock markets large rise from its later 2002 bottom, since that type of analysis would not have incorporated knowledge of the changed political position of the ‘wild left-wing former union leader’ who won the presidency that year. It would not have known that da Silva (“Lula”) had been moving to the center for years and would follow moreless conventional policies. So, lets say you had done the analysis and had a good degree of certainty of outcome…you would have purchased a shares in a number of the most evidently underpriced Brazilian firms. Now, at the same time, it was evident that U.S. markets had further downside and that gains could be had via leveraged short positions against the major U.S. indices. OK, the two – the long Brazil/short U.S. – are combined and as a combination, a pair, gain was maximized while overall portfolio risk was knocked down…which can also be seen as a form of arbitrage. The only thing that was complicated in this thing was the original, then ongoing, economic and political analysis which was necessarily not just of Brazil but the entire Southern Cone, its internal and external relationships, so also a global analysis. From my experience, modern econometric and/or statistical analysis miss way too much, make what is fairly simple more complex than need be and contain too many false assumptions.  What I usually find when I’ve tried to explain this before are responses such as ‘but don’t the two sides simply negate each other, creating a zero’; but this is to ignore process in favor of a static snapshot-type perspective, to confuse risk reduction with elimination of gain.  From a system-wide perspective this sort of thing is zero-sum, but not from the perspective of each particular ‘player’. That is, no matter how large the quantitities involved, no matter how knowledgable the gamblers, the game-in-itself creates absolutely no new value, remembering that price and value are not identities. Differently, and to the extent that the game is entirely within secondary markets, it fails to contribute to development and can become a drag on such. Still differently, no society can REproduce itself on a gambling basis and, as the gamblers must be fed, they also come to appropriate from the productive side…it is parasitic.  On the subject of commodification (of everything), you might find Guy Debord’s 1967 book, The Society of the Spectacle to be interesting. Here’s the Wiki about it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Spectacle  And here’s the book:  http://www.bopsecrets.org/SI/debord/ —-  ”But for the present age, which prefers the sign to the thing signified, the copy to the original, representation to reality, appearance to essence . . . truth is considered profane, and only illusion is sacred. Sacredness is in fact held to be enhanced in proportion as truth decreases and illusion increases, so that the highest degree of illusion comes to be the highest degree of sacredness.”  —Feuerbach, Preface to the second edition  of The Essence of Christianity —- 

GuestDecember 23rd, 2006 at 5:49 pm

Thankyou Juan, ” risk reduction with elimination of gain” i will do more homework.   …so corruption causes crashes rather than recessions?  Naked short selling, corrupt fees, etc….who’s checking the checkers?    Herman Daly’s “uneconomic growth,” though some credit this to Marilyn Waring who developed it more completely in her study of the UN System of National Accounts.  I will look forward to reading your link to The Society of the Spectacle,  I have read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class c/   Presently, I am reading the The Upside , Catastrophe, creativity, and the renewal of civilization. Thomas Homer-Dixon.        

JuanDecember 27th, 2006 at 3:00 pm

“to confuse risk reduction with elimination of gain” is not at all the same as ‘risk reduction with elimination of gain’ though often the latter is less than would be the case with with a one-sided and purely directional bet. It’s relational.

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